Biomimetic Max 200G

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  1. Shangri La

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    My Max 200G is at 11.8 oz a bit under 325 sw 5 pts hl and my Pro one is 11.9 oz about 325 sw 6.~ hl. I dont think 5 extra sw on the 200G will have power level of the Pro One. It's plenty stable though.
     
  2. counterpuncher

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    With swapping the leather for synthetic mine was 320g (strung with PLII 1.15) with a swingweight of about 320.

    I also have a IG Rad Pro and the power level of that is higher. But if you add lead to the hoop of the 200G to bring the swingweight up to about 330, it would be fairly close.
     
  3. keepurpowderdry

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    About you saying the Max is plenty stable,

    What type of hitters do you play with? I think knowing that would tremendously help me with my decision to purchasing the Max?

    I hit 70% of the time with fast paced heavy hitters.My yonex 001 mid's (did not get pushed around. But just recently my 001 mids where stolen. Also My eye's are not what they used to be so I am looking for a bigger head size. Thanks for your time,

    Tony
     
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  4. Shangri La

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    Stability is one of the primary characteristics for me when picking a racquet, especially after stepping down from 12+oz. I dont usually hit with uber hard hitters, but the Max is very stable in its weight class, even compared to 12 oz racquets. TW also gave it good rating in stability. That said, I probably wouldn't expect the same level of mid frames.
     
  5. keepurpowderdry

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    Thanks..

    I think I am going to get the Max for doubles and go ahead and get the Donnay Pro 1

    for singles. I don't play that much singles in match play.

    Tony
     
  6. Cup8489

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    So I read through several pages of this thread.. what is the consensus overall on the frame? The specs look nice, does it have decent feel?

    I was really considering picking one or two up with gut, but I don't want to get it if I'm gonna struggle with lack of power. That's the main concern, as I can handle the weight without issue.

    Also, how does the grip compare to a Head extreme grip? As in, size and shape; I use a 4 3/8, but was thinking about going up a grip size.
     
  7. counterpuncher

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    IMO the power level is fine for its spec. It is not Pure Drive/Extreme type power, but equivalent to say a Pure Storm or Radical. I can't imagine you having an issue if you are planning to use Natural Gut.

    As for the grip, with the leather I find it runs true to size.
     
  8. Cup8489

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    thanks, sounds like I need to get myself one :)
     
  9. ccmtennis

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    How is the comfort like? I stayed away from it due to the stiffness index
     
  10. Shangri La

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    No problem.. for reference I took my Max 200G to my local pro shop to measure the sw, 330! So it will be a bit more stable than TW's average of 318 sw.
     
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    When I play tested the Max 200g, I doubt it was 318 sw. It felt quite sluggish to me. I guess you solved the mystery for me, 330 sw sounds more appropriate for the 200g.
     
  12. Cup8489

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    Hate to bump this again, but looking for a quick side by side of this frame and the MG Radical MP.

    I use the Rad MP stock except with a leather grip on a 4 1/2 handle.

    Wondering if the grip shape is similar, both in shape and size, and what I should expect from the 200G in comparison to the Radical.

    Current strings are OG Sheep Micro 16 @ 55 lbs.
     
  13. Matt21

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    Grip shapes are different. Head's grip shape is flatter. Dunlop is nearly identical (if not completely) to Wilson's grip shape. 4-1/2 Dunlop grip feels pretty big when compared to 4-1/2 Head. As for playability comparisons, I found that the Dunlop Max200G had a bit more pop (stock) than the MG Radical but if I had to play with one or the other, I'd personally go with the MG Rad MP because the control is better and I like the balance better. You can customize with lead and a leather grip to give the Rad more plow while maintaining the maneuverability. I've tried different placements of lead on the Max200g and still don't love it. Serving was also more consistent for me with the Rad.

    I got the Max b/c I liked the way the demo felt (how often have many of us gotten burned with that one) but IMO, the older Hotmelt Maxply McEnroe plays WAAAYYYY better.
     
  14. crazyups

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    You hit it right on the spot. Something is wrong with the max200g(from the maxply perspective). It cannot compare to the maxply. No matter what I do I cannot customize it to feel like the maxply. I feel disconnected with it. Must be the balance and stiffness difference. I think I will try the 4d 500 tour as the specs are pretty close to maxply. Also same headshape but slightly bigger.
     
  15. JackB1

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    I just discovered this frame and what a gem it is! Not sure how it's perfect specs escaped my racquet-hungary mitts for this long, but at last we met :)

    What a great racquet. Like a Dunlop 300 with a little more beef in the frame. Nice semi-flext feel and the weight and balance and perfect....not too heavy...not too light. Can't wait to try it out some more. I did replace the leather grip with a Gamma which is almost as heavy, as I prefer the softer feel of synthetic grips.

    Anyone else from this thread still rocking the Maxx 300G?
     
  16. dgoran

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    It's good racquet comes pretty close to 300g the racquet that mcenroe and Almagro are really using under this paint but it has that crappy bio feel almost like chalk or concrete vs soft rubberized graphite that hotmelt has.
     
  17. AlfaAce

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    Jack - Didn't we recommend this frame to you in your other thread "Racquet Dilemma'??? Hate to say, I told you so... but... :twisted:

    Are you saying that Mac really plays a 300G painted like a 200G??? If so, what is your source? Link? First I've heard/read of this.
     
  18. db10s

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    How did I know you would like it? Its a love at first hit racket.... You can't go wrong with it. :p:-D:lol:
     
  19. dgoran

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    Just trust me on this one reason you have not heard is because you are fairly new here...or search function works as well
     
  20. JackB1

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    I'm not sure how TW came up with a singweight of 317 ???
    It's nowhere near that. I measured mine, stock with og and it was 332.
    I am now testing it side by side with my Donnat Pro One 97. The 2 racquets are so similar it's crazy. Now I have to decide which one to chose? :confused::confused:
     
  21. pshulam

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    Simple - just keep both.
     
  22. Jay Thomas

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    Question for the group, db10 in particular -

    Like Jack, I've had a couple really excellent hits with the 200g. Like Jack, I'm a 4.0 player (but with a two-handed backhand). Like Jack, I was concerned that this racquet is too "advanced" (the tennis.com review said you need to be at least a 4.5 player for this racquet).

    How much stock should we put in these player level guidelines? If I'm below the recommended NTRP rating for a racquet that I've enjoyed using, what issues should I look out for? I've been playing with the 4D 500 Tour for a few years and, while i really enjoy it, I've been looking for something more control oriented (I'm a tall, athletic guy and have no problem supplying power).

    I've seen the max 200g described as a "buttery control frame" and that it's great for players with and old school game. On the contrary, my experience is that it's a great baseline racquet and provides ample power. Am I missing something? Does anyone else share (or not share) my observations?
     
  23. Rafaboy

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    this is my "candy" racket. its great for days when things get too "run of the mill."

    think, "MJ's White Glove.
     
  24. db10s

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    1. I started on a players frame... Using a more "advanced" frame will develop your game by making you use correct strokes. I have a 2hbh and a 1hbh slice...

    2. You can provide your own power, and you want control... If the racket fits your style of play, the NTRP recommendation is nothing...

    3. Its an all around frame. It can be used at the baseline with success, and it is a beast at the net as well.
     
  25. JackB1

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    Hi Jay. I have been testing the 200g and rest assured, it's not too "advanced" for us 4.0's. It's ALMOST like a tweener, but with more than usual weight and touch. It has ample power and works well at the baseline or at the net. The only way to know for sure if a racquet is too demanding for you is to try it. If you are late most of the time or tired after a couple hours, then it is. Or if you are missing the sweet spot a lot or having to swing harder than you are comfortable doing, then it is. Otherwise you are good.
     
  26. AlfaAce

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    Phenomenal racquet!!! I'm sold (and looking for another in 3/8... anyone?).

    Plays great with VS 17G NG mains and 17G G4 crosses (both at 60#).
     
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    I have 2 used 3/8s in the classifieds.
     
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    Email sent.
     
  29. robbo1970

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    I 2nd and 3rd db and Jack on the player level guidelines.

    I am not near that level but find my Bio300 with leather grip (like a lighter Bio Max200 really) and Exo3 93 just fine to use. Theyre not harder to play with, if anything theyre easy and using rackets like these have improved my game immensley and I would recommend them to everyone and anyone.
     
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    post bump....

    anyone else still using this frame? it really is unique and has few rivals in the 330 sw / 11.7 oz category. Only similar frames I see are the Donnay Pro One and Prestige S. I still have 2 of these frame and may return to them as my main sticks since they have to real weaknesses for me. I am still testing the Blade 98 16x19 and the 99s, but the 200G remains a solid choice.
     
  31. MikeHitsHard93

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    Prince exo3 graphite 100 would be right in this category, but it is discontinued.
     
  32. Rafaboy

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    I love my max200g, and i ll get back to it someday. Every time i do, it amazes me on how well it works. but right now im ironing out the kinks with my 99s/technique.

    the only thing that i dont like about th 200g, is how Macenroe hits with it, and i worry that it was designed to be hit as he does. please tell me this is not true, because my spin technique ala rafa seems to work well with it.?

    Also, do you think it works better with a multi, or would my regular APD setup with poly be even better for it?
     
  33. robbo1970

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    I use a leather gripped Bio 300, so very similar to the 200G. I presume youre talking about McEnroe's forehand? Yes, you can hit both that flatter style or whippy Rafa style with it.

    Personally I prefer the McEnroe style....but I would say you can do pretty much anything with it....its seems a very versatile racket to play with.
     
  34. JackB1

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    totally agree with that statement
     
  35. robbo1970

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    It ticks so many boxes in terms of a good allround racket.

    Open string pattern
    Medium weight
    98sq head
    Leather grip already installed (No need to re-grip it)

    If I had the budget I would have one. But I managed to get two Bio 300's for the price of one 200G so went for those instead and added leather grips.
     
  36. AlfaAce

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    I picked up two used Bio Max 200Gs in very decent shape for $115 (US) for the pair inc shipping. They are out there. Just post a wanted ad if you really want one.
     
  37. BounceHitBounceHit

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    The best stick I've touched since the K90!! :). BHBH
     
  38. pshulam

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    Our local shop sells brand new ones for $100.
     
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    How? Why? Who?
     
  40. pshulam

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    First of all, TW does not allow posts about sales from its competitors. The people that work there say that they just want to clear their inventories. They do have periodic sales on new racquets such as Dunlop F3.0 Tour, Prestige IG Pro, Babolat APD (2012) for less than $100. They do NOT, however, sell items that are on sale online. They are located about 10 miles from my home (see my avatar).
     
  41. NineMileSkid

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    I'd be very, very careful at that local shop.
     
  42. Shangri La

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    Been using the racquet with gut/poly. Probably will try full poly next to make it more crisp.
     
  43. AlfaAce

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    Same here. Been using 17G Babolat Nat Gut and 16L Lux 4G both at 60#. Good combo. However, I might go full gut next "to make it more crisp" ;)
     
  44. lgbalfa

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    are you guys still playing with this racquet?

    i think they are now discontinued as i am having a hard time trying to find them now.

    i use to use the maxply mcenroe and think this would be a logical replacement for it.
     
  45. LeeD

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    Still a viable top of the heap racket today.
    Last one I tried was in Feb, worked well.
    But I have 2 nearly new 4DAero300's, with leather grips and 3" of lead at 12.
    I also have 2 decent Bio300T's, weighted to mid 11's with 18" of lead at the head, and an equal amount under the grip.
     
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    does anyone know if there will be a replacement for this racquet?

    thanks
     
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    Why the caution for local shop?
     
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    I use three of them :)

    This was the first racquet where I narrowed things down on specs alone, knowing my customisation trials and follies in the past. Bought a couple from a TT forumer, loved them (stock), later bought a third for customisation. I was also afraid they'd go out of stock seeing as they didn't seem to be very popular. I still see a few of them in stores around Texas.

    I ended up playing for a while with 4g of lead along the handle + 4g on the throat, but have recently removed it all. Still feels solid.

    True story: I can't count the number of times I've hit a winner with the frame. At least once a match, often more. Wonder if it's due to the box beam design and having a relatively flat surface along the frame?

    I'm still very happy.
     
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    Why so? I haven't seen a lot of Dunlop fakes in the market.
     

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