Bjorn Fratangelo

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  1. Dawgie Dawg

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    I hear he is heavily leaning to UGA. Its UGA or pro for this great player. I know he will make the right choice and allow Manny Diaz to turn him into a warrior before he makes his journey onto the pro tour.
     
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    He's going pro more than likely. Winning the junior french open changed his priorities.
     
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    No it is true. Winning the junior French Open made pro tennis a serious option where as before he was 90% going to college. Now its more lke 50/50. While you can't stake your future on one result it does show what you are capable of.
     
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    I hope he decides to be a BULLDOG. I dont think he is ready to turn pro.
     
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    He will make the right choice and come to Athens eventually
     
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    Down to UGA,UVA and Ohio State. Or pro
     
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    i would rarely say someone should go to UGA over UVA, but he should

    he's not going to play above jenkins, domi, or frank

    total waste of his time playing 4 in college

    whereas ku singh is the only top 4 guy left for uga next yr

    if he doesn't go pro - he'll go to uga - count it
     
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    The longer he holds out the better his contracts will be. Like Sock he won't play college. Those who think he'll show up on campus somewhere are teasing themselves.

    BTW. Saw Kudla play yesterday and will watch him again today. Although it's just qualifying he is impressive. Watched him thump a top 100 player who beat him handily last summer.
     
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    agreed i have my money on him going pro

    the harrison section of this article seems to point that way even though he mentions talking to isner too: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/sports/s_782418.html

    edit - and yeah, kudla is going to be great, always tough to tell where potential peaks in tennis, but i wouldn't rule him out as a top 20 guy for a handful of years
     
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    He'll be in Athens next spring
     
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    Athens Greece for a Challeger stop.
     
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    I sort of agree that going to Virginia would be silly because of where he would play in the lineup, but don't overlook the opportunity to train against Domijan, Frank and Jenkins for a year. If these recruits cared about where they would play in the lineup, the also-ran schools in major conferences would be a big draw for top recruits. They aren't for a reason. You spend far more time on the practice court than playing matches.
     
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    You also play Futures while in college, fall tournaments where your spot in the lineup is not an issue, more Futures in the summer, and you can play up occasionally while others get a rest day if your coach is looking out for your development. In Charlottesville, you can get into the qualifying of a Challenger event in November. All of this in addition to the practice considerations already mentioned.
     
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    Too many examples of guys going pro after high school or after first year of college. ending up in the "FUTURE/CHALLENGER ZONE"

    Get the free, excellent education.
     
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    With 4.5 tennis scholarships the education for male tennis players is not free. If a boy does get a full ride for tennis its beyond rare.

    #2 junior in the world and an jr.Grand Slam singles title all before his senior year. I agree college is the prudent move but there is also point when starting a pro career is prudent too. He's at that point.

    Going back to college is always an option.
     
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    62-20 career ITF, 10-14 last year on the Future's and discovering late in the year he has a shoulder injury. Agree it's not screaming pro tour at you but the jr. GS and #2 ITF displays a junior tennis player beyond being highly accomplished. He's got 6 months to decide. Don't hold your breath on him showing up on any college campus this fall except to maybe attend a football game.
     
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    You could be right. They didn't name him Bjorn with college in mind.
     
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    will be interesting to see what his decision is.. he was in Switzerland last weekend with the davis cup so I'm thinking he's going pro but we will see..
     
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    Kudla's development has been very impressive indeed.


    I think Bjorn will go to college, if only for a year, his good friend Halabian went pro last summer and has been in a bit of a slump since. He is a thoughtful young man, so I think he sees the benefits of going for at least a year. Wouldn't be surpised if Mitchel Kruger does the same thing.
     
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    Saw where Bjorn Fratangelo lost in the 1st round of qualies at the Sarasota Challenger 67(4) 75 64 to Amer Delic. So far this year he has just a 3-6 record playing futures and Sarasota was his 1st go at a Challenger. I'd say if things don't start picking up for him I'd be surprised if he didn't give college a go for at least a year.

    It'd be one thing if he was playing as well as someone like Jack Sock who has 13-7 record with 1 Futures Title, 1 Futures Semi, 1 Challenger QF, 2 tight losses both in 3 sets in the 1st round of San Jose and Memphis to Ryan Harrison and Denis Kudla.
     
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    You would almost sound credible if we did not all know you want to see him show up at Georgia. Ha Ha. 1 year of college ball won't make a hill of beans difference for a talent like this kid. Won't mean he'll go to college, does not mean college is a wise choice for him either.
     
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    Actually, I agree with TopDawg. There was debate about Jack Sock turning pro, and Fratangelo has not had comparable results.

    What will it accomplish to be in college for a year? Well, what will it accomplish to lose in the first round of Challengers or the second round of Futures for a year? Do we have examples of great players who were doing that at age 18?
     
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    nvm........................
     
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    In college he may get to train 2.5-3 hrs. a day. Maybe more but if so not much, doubtful. Ask any high level college player if they trained more as a junior or in college. They overwhelming answer is they trained more as a junior.

    Training as a pro the player can dedicate their day 5-8 hours to training. They get to practice with other pros as well.

    I am all for playing college tennis first before going pro. But when a player has a Jr. Grand Slam and was #2 in the ITF juniors college is a step back.

    I'm sure there are examples of players in the top 100/top 50 with similar results at 18, I don't have time to look for it.

    *Just looked at his record YTD. I'd agree that if his results don't pick up in the next 4 months college may start looking good for him.
     
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    The upside of college for a year to 4 years would seem to me to outweigh the upside of challengers.

    It's a no brainier that the time devoted to tennis can be greater on tour than in college. But, if you have the talent at the level that Bjorn does, why not just confirm that you can dominate the college game before going all in for the tour?

    I'm skeptical on this one. I don't think either decision would be bad, but college would just be safer. Then, if he crushes the competition in college, he could confirm a decision to turn pro. He is still before his prime years. Try the Johnny Mac (College and win everything for a year) plan and see if you are there right now.
     
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    I agree that neither decision is bad for this kid. If he does start college he should wait until the Spring semester 2013. Would give him a more time to evaluate.
     
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    Lord knows, I wish I had the talent to be in his position. Worst case scenario is a free education. Best case is a life on tour. Life could be worse.

    I'd actually hope he enrolls in the fall and gets into the ITA events. Worked well for Frank.
     
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    At this point I don't even think Fratangelo would be a fantastic college player. He would be top 30 for sure. But not be at a dominant level like you would expect someone of his calibur to be.
     
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    Also very few players are making breakthroughs at young ages now. Most make breakthroughs in the pro tour around age 20-21 which is the age of a college junior. Going to college for a year or two is not that damaging. Lots of top juniors haven't top anything when they decided tonot go to college. Players like Cesar Ramirez who was a top player.
     
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    Have you even seen fratangelo play? or are you just making this assumption off of results?
     
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    Tough draw for Bjorn in the Savannah Challenger - faces Wayne Odesnik tomorrow morning at 10am. Of course when you start playing challengers there aren't too many easy matches. Here is the Savannah Draw - several recognizable names
     
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    Odesnik beat Bjorn 7-6(3) 6-2. Not a bad showing against the 112th ranked player.
     
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    Weird seeing Ginepri unseeded at a 50K event. Guy had so much game back in the day.
     
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    Not a surprise but sad to see him miss all that is college.

    “I’ve known Bjorn and his dad a long time,” said David Dilettuso, president of the USTA’s Allegheny Mountain District. “I’m not surprised (Bjorn went pro). My feeling is three or four years of college might have done good and helped him develop his game. But he did win the junior French Open.”

    Agree with that statement, but good luck to him!
     
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    #2 Blue Chip is Filip Peliwo from British Columbia. He is doing very well in the Junior French Open, and made the finals of the Junior Australian Open. The Canadian Tennis Federation pushes their top players to go pro, and they provide a good support system. I expect we will hear soon that Peliwo turned pro. The top guys actually going to college will be Mitchell Krueger and Mac Styslinger.
     
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    Peliwo actually already turned pro. Check the lagardere website under their clients
     
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    Which means Illini recruit Jared Hiltzik is moving up close to the top of the rankings! Good for us.

    Illini Recruits
     
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    There is talk that Krueger may be going pro now. A&M fans seem to think he is as good as gone.
     
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    Agree. That's why I like a year of college and if you end up at the top of NCAAs then go for it, but even then it doesn't always work out. Then you don't trade that life experience away. Which leads to this question (which maybe a thread of it's own), in the last few years, of those going pro early (prior to college) or after a year or so, who is doing well enough to say it was the right decision? It seems we talk about them going pro then they disappear from conversation....are there any standouts that went pro early - say before 19 or 20 - on the tour now?
     
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    The only recent one I can think of is Sam Querrey. He is the only one that could have gone to college who went pro and actually did well(of course I am not countine players like Harrison where college was never an option). Everyone else usually hovers around in futures and maybe challengers and then makes a breakthrough around the same time they would have graduated college or often times no breakthrough at all.
     
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    I just heard Bjorn turned pro - sorry Dawgie Dawg.
     
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    I heard that too. Not sure whether it was mentioned during the French or just mentioned on TTC.
     
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    I saw it in a couple of places.
     
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    “It was a huge relief,” said Fratangelo, who turns 19 in July. “Every day it was back and forth. My family and I would talk about it, but they left it up to me. I’m not the best at decision-making.”

    I think the last line sums it up
     
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