Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Ross K, Apr 3, 2013.
Found this post interesting re our man here...
Anyone have further thoughts on this?
The P25, now that I have a couple and am certain that they are P25's as they came in a bag that said so.. are not a blade at all. So the pro stocks blades that I have seen and played with are - H19 (copy of a prestige, often painted as blade 98 or 93), H22 (copy of a radical, mostly painted as a blade 98) and the Kblade pro stock (as written on the bag from the factory again) that also come painted mostly as a blade 98 ).
In summary then -
H22 - comes in different layups, some more flexy, others quite stiff in the head (especially the open pattern ones?), 22mm beam - Former Djoko racquet
H19 - more flexy in the head than the h22, 21mm beam - Former Ivanovic stick, now Monfils
Kblade pro stock - flexier layup of the kblade mold - Raonic racquet
P25 - looks like an extreme or instinct with a slightly less pointy beam, around 65 flex - Azarenka?
And all of them seem to come fairly heavy in the head, with the odd rare exception?
Can anyone else out there add to this?
Thanks John, great info.
Which version of Head Radical would feel the closest to an H22 ?
The funny thing is that I don't think that the h22 actually plays like a radical in many of its layups, it flexes in different places and has more weight in the hoop from the factory. The head on the radical I suspect is more flexy and a little more forgiving but not as powerful.
I guess you would have to buy all of the tight pattern radicals and compare them, which I haven't done.
The H19 on the other hand has a flexier head, close match for that one I think is the TGT 293.2 with lead in the head..
Many of these Wilson pro stocks I suspect feel so solid and hit with heaps of plough due to the mass in the head. Not so good if you want a balance under 32 and an overall weight under 350 though. At 360, yes, but that's getting hefty for some.
Forget the Speed Pro Graphene, does anyone out there have anything to add on the h19/h22/p25/h25/pro stock blade front? Once this is brought up, all I can hear is crickets!
As an aside, I'm thinking of stringing the h22 open patterns I have that are absolute cannons but hurt my arm even looking at them with gut mains, anyone out there done this? It would make sense on the h22, surprised I hadn't tried it earlier but I guess was worried about control issues?
Had a H2216x19 (It was blacked out and there was a sticker on the inside of the throat labeled as H2216x19) come in for stringing at the pro shop I work at.
It was measured to be 313g unstrung, there was silicone inside the handle as I popped off the trap door. Beam width varied between 21.6mm to 22.2 depending on where you measured it. I put a Prestige Pro on top of it and it looked pretty much identical. What's interesting is the grommets that were used on it, I noticed that there was more protrusion of the grommets around where the PWS is supposed to be, so I suppose Wilson are using the grommets off another racquet with PWS on the H22 Pro Stock. I'm surprised they don't make grommets dedicated to this racquet.
Further to this discussion, got two Mahut frames today that are h22 open patterns in 6 1 95 blx 2 paint, sweet. As an aside, also got a brand new Dolgopolov frame that does indeed look like the 6 0 95 but in the Pro Staff 95 paint.
Gonna post some pics?
Big John, could you elaborate more on the Djokovic racket? I believe he was using a Liquidmetal Radical Tour MP before going to wilson, no? I don't know the name of his first wilson racket that he was using in 2007, but then he was advertised as using the Kblade tour which is a mid, far from a midplus.
I think you're right on the Liquidmetal Radical, I'm pretty sure he used a tight pattern H22 when he was with Wilson, which would make sense as it is a radical copy essentially. The racquet he was advertised as playing was not the actual racquet he was playing with, similar to the situation now I guess?
Well at least the rackets are the same head this time. He was advertised using the k-blade tour (Tsonga was using the k-blade 98 now that I think of it), which was a mid-racket, when in reality it must have been at least 98''. Has he been using 100 sq in all along? The blades are always 98'', and the LMRT was 98'' as well, now he is advertised as using a 100''. The curious case of Djokovic's racket. I wish he could keep it simple like Rafa and Roger.
Hey Big John, are you sure Raonic is using the Blade mold? I've recently got a racquet of his and I don't think it's the same as a Blade. It's not something I have seen before.
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Any pics you may care to share with us?
Another player to add to your list is Ilija Bozoljac:
Hope this can be of help,
That's interesting on your Raonic racquet. Is the beam more boxy like an h22 or curved like the blade? Sorry for the slow response, I've been busy holding the baby for the past few months..
is this also true with the h19? that they have different layups as the h22? what about head pro stocks?
Add Roger Federer to the list.
No, it is neither. A H22 has a boxy beam like a Prestige, The Blade has a D-beam where the inside of the beam is flat and the outside is rounded. Raonic's racquet is a O-beam more similar to the Six One 95 (without the PWS of course)
Big John, im currently using the TGT 293.1 (YT IG prestige pro) and control with gut mains / poly cross (alu power) is great.
Plow on both topspin, but more so slices, is amazing, but very controlled.
Just let the gut break in for 2 hours if using BT7 gut. After 4 hours its magic now.
I really look forward to comparing a H19 to the TGT Prestige Pro
Doesn't seem like it's a blade he's using. Yet to be identified...
Remind me again, what pros (if any) actually play with the K Blade 98...
BTW, That's Raonic's hand ^ I believe...
Just bumping Big John's last sentence... Anyone snagged any of these frames or got any fresh insights or thoughts on these or what some of the pro Bladers are wielding?
BTW, keep the great pics coming!
Just from a performance perspective, I'd love to hear more about these frames (H22) from present/past users...
Which 18X20 Blade 98 is Robson using?
I've heard from a reliable source that the KBlade Pro Stock is actually a paint job NBlade 98, which is actually what Raonic is using.
I have two H22s, not sure whether it's the stiff or flexible layup, but they are much harsher than the retail Blade, especially the newest one. I've gone through other H22s in various paint jobs, and for whatever reason they all tend to irritate my arm. If I could use one without having that happen then I would switch to it. They all tend to hit the same for me. Although I don't doubt that there are different layups, perhaps there's a stock layup and then special layups that a pro can order if he's ranked high enough and/or doesn't like the stock layup.
Compared to a 57e, the H22s that I've used are still significantly more powerful.
I agree, that's also what I heard, that the Kblade Pro Stock is actually the Nblade and that is what Raonic uses in tight pattern.
Agreed on the h22 having more pop than the pt57e, also more mass in the head. The h22 feels nothing like 64 flex when you hit it.
I think the P25 is actually a copy of the o3 white, put them over one another and hey presto. Any idea who this might have been developed for then? Obviously there are no 'o' holes.. Have a number of these in open pattern. Low 60's flex, 100 head, more rounded beam (like an o3 funnily enough..).
The H25 is the Instinct copy for Azarenka. Has anyone ever seen an open pattern one of these?
question, these both are XL?, regards, KIWI69
Interesting... Because I also have a couple of raonic' personal racquets(blx paint), they are definitely D beam and not O beam.
I wonder how much difference it really makes when you weight up a stock Blade 98. For example, I weighted up my Blade 98 up to 13oz, and it was really easy to swing (and felt pretty solid). I added Wilson leather grip, Blue Tac plus fishing weights in the handle and all the rest under the head guard around the top. Without any lead up top it weighs around 12.7oz. and about 12 pts headlight, and about 13oz 7-8 pts hl with the lead under the bumper. I am amazed at how easy it swings. The weight in the handle makes all the difference. The fishing weights are about 1.5 inches from the butt.
Anyway, I would imagine there would be a little difference between a retail and pro stock at this weight, but not that much.
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