Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Tennis_Monk, Mar 29, 2013.
Kind of like the Roger Federer of football, right?
I don't disagree with your definition and the distinction you draw. Many in this thread, though don't seem to, based on some of the conclusions reached.
BTW by your definition Secretariat was a way, way better athlete than this Jackson guy (and M Vick too).
Well, They are talking about Greatest Athlete (not Best Athlete).
You're right Tim, I can't argue against your logic. Michael Vick, one of the most popular athletes ever, doesn't deserve to be on mentioned on a list by ESPN which includes a golfer, a race car driver and a skate boarder.
Well ESPN decided to not put one of the most popular dog fighters of all time on the list not me. Only in your world is vick that popular, I see he is getting replaced again. No surprise because he is not a good quarterback, never has been just a guy that is fast and can run well.
He should have been a receiver, just check his stats over his career at quarterback. They are not even close to the top guys, so even though he can make some great plays at times he sucks as a NFL pocket quarterback.
Oh my mistake because there is a huge difference between the greatest and best athlete ever.
I am no english expert. But i thought "Best" usually seems to mean technical proficiency, skill and talent; whereas "great" means the incredibly successful way of realizing that talent, skill, etc.
I could be wrong.
No, I agree.
Even if Bo Jackson is the best raw athlete of all time, I will never consider him to be as GREAT as Michael Jordan or Muhammad Ali. Both of those guys are icons and achieved feats that made them transcend the sport they played.
I would agree about MJ, and Ali was great but boxing or any form of fighting is just that fighting not what I call a sport.
That was sarcasm Tim.
Vick is extremely unpopular and hated by many, that's a big part of the reason why he's not talked about in many discussions, that and he's not a good QB. By you can't deny his raw athletic ability.
Why not? It requires many/most of the same skills needed to carry a football and run straight.
From what I have heard, boxing requires incredible amounts of talent and athleticism. With that said, I don't really know much about Muhammed Ali except that his personal life off the ring is remembered just as much as his boxing.
I did watch MJ all the time when I was a kid and I'm certain about his greatness. MJ was so good that he earned global adulation. There is a picture of Federer when he was 17 in Switzerland and he had posters of MJ on his wall. When Federer was asked about being one of the greatest athletes ever, he said that he could never consider himself in the same league as Jordan, who was his idol.
Patrick, I don't think Tim is all that smart.
I will agree on that he has tremendous athletic ability.
Not to much running straight when playing pro football.
Well not compared to you because you have proven beyond a doubt of being a genius.
No doubt about MJ he was in his own league. Not so sure about dancing around throwing punches at somebody requiring incredible amounts of athleticism. The guys I knew growing up that got into boxing were not really good at playing real sports but were very good at fighting.
Competition doesn't get much purer than a fight. I'd say all sports are just a replacement for it.
ESPN has another list where boxing is ranked as the most demanding sport in the world
Ya I have seen it and physically demanding it is, but they also consider nascar a sport but I definitely do not.
I will agree that is a competition but not a sport. Were is the ball and what is the score? Oh thats right you have some guys that who knows how much they get payed off calling these fights on points that nobody can figure out. There have been so many fights were it was so obvious who won but these alleged professional judges call it the other way, a total fricking joke.
I've no idea what you are talking about. He ran a good many races in both HS and college. He absolutely did train for track BTW with Auburn's team, and no he was not a multi sport champion in college track. Listen, the dude (like Herschal Walker) was a freak of nature but he's not unique and was never THE best athlete in any one sport he did. Much of his celebrity was media and ad driven rather then performance.
For my money, the level that Deon Sanders performed at (who actually was a multi-sport champion in track) in the NFL and MLB was more impressive. He's arguably the greatest cover corner in NFL history and one of the best kick and punt returners of all time as well and was a very solid MLB player. Also don't forget Sander's teammate Bryan Jordan who was a Pro-bowl safety and later a MLB all star
Bo Jackson was a pro-level player at 2 sports (I don't know where you get 6), and really only potentially great at one (football). We'll never know how good he could have been as he never completed a full season by choice or from injury. He was an average to slightly above average performer in baseball when you compare him to the average player of his position OF/DH using the types of advanced statistics for ranking players (ie. WAR)
Haven't you guys ever heard of LeeD? Look him up. Bo is nothing!
why stop with interspecies, why not go all the way? Nadal's Kia is a better athlete than Secretariat, Bo and Federer combined.
The more i read about BoJO the more i am convinced that ESPN's methodology is way off.
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