Bodo - 'The Most Controversial Knees Ever'

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  1. Amelie Mauresmo

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    But Djokovic and Federer don't have disappearing acts like Rafael Nadal he is such a drama queen he reminds me of Greta Garbo.:)

    Federer is a boring individual because he wears a mask and his mask is so tight on his face the fans are never going to know his real personality.

    At least with Novak Djokovic he knows he's pretentious he doesn't try to pretend that he's perfect he has a silly side. Djokovic is also more charismatic than Nadal and Federer. Djokovic knows he's not perfect and he's a lot more honest with the media than Nadal and Federer are.

    The current hype about Nadal is his knee injuries and all the speculation is something Nadal and his PR loves. The media hype is now is the knee injury serious as he says it is? Just like Greta Garbo Nadal makes disappearing acts he goes away for a while whenever he suffers from a shocking upset or loss. Nadal's done this before in 2009 when he got blasted by Soderling at the French Open.

    Of course, instead of giving Robin Sodering credit for pulling off a shocking upset Nadal blamed his knees he's such a nice guy isn't he?

    Nadal reminds me of those actors and actresses who want to maintain a mystique about themselves. Is he or is she not what the person says he or she is?

    I don't think Nadal fans realize he LOVES the media attention the world media flocking to some minor 250 ATP Event it is great for his ego.

    Nadal isn't some sweet genuine guy he's a celebrity he and his PR people do whatever they can to drum up as much publicity as they can and generate as much interest as they can about him.
     
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    For this forum, it's like asking them to solve Fermat's Last Theorem.
     
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    Shoulder bump was on tv, he did it and then apologized several times. Rosol didnt think it was accidental and it didnt look like it was either.
     
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  4. Amelie Mauresmo

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    So what's your point? Barber's essay was objective because she wasn't going to write fluff piece like most articles about tennis stars. Is that what you want to read a boring fluff essay which 99.9% of the tennis writers write?

    Barber's essay generated a lot of publicity outside of the tennis industry because she talked about the fact celebrity culture is indeed a part of the sports world. The PR people behind tennis stars like Nadal carefully fabricate and create their image and brand. What you see on television, in the media interviews is not Nadal's real personality.

    Nadal's obnoxious attitude was exposed by Barber his pretentiousness about his personal life was also exposed by her as well. Barber did an effective job of peeling beneath the surface and getting the public to think a bit more critically about celebrities like Nadal.
     
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    Just read Barber's interview. That's the Nadal I know.

    Fake.
     
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    That's good. Everything mediated should be fake. It would be a worry otherwise.
     
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    That's because Djokovic and Federer didn't get an injury that sidelined them for 7 months. I will tell Nadal to stop getting injured so people stop talking about him.

    Oh my....not again with this Djokovic is so much more charismatic stuff. If he was more charismatic he would have more fans.

    Djokovic is no more honest then Nadal or Federer. His PR has been working rounds on him to make him more media friendly and he has been saying the same politically correct statements as the others. You are right though, he is pretentious.

    Nadal isn't trying to get media spotlight. All the speculation has originated from posters on forums and journalists have snatched onto that. Nadal isn't a celebrity looking out to grab media attention, he is a tennis player who creates a lot of buzz and profit and surely you can see why there is so much hype about his return?

    People complain that he is a drama queen because he talks about his injury, but at the same time people get upset that he isn't explaining enough what is going on with his knees?
     
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    Nadal was facing the possible end of his tennis career at just 19 years of age, and Bodo was accusing him of PED use? Classy. And that was before Nadal became Federer's head-to-head nemesis.
     
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    Of course, Nadal is a drama queen and of course he wants media attention. It isn't because of unknown board posters on tennis forums such as myself or you. The press are going to cover Nadal because he's a huge international tennis star it has nothing to do with bloggers.

    If Nadal was some journeyman ranked 80 in the world would the media care that he missed seven months? Of course not, due to Nadal being a great tennis champion his disappearance from the ATP Tour causes a huge void at the top of the game. This is about money, this is about publicity, and this is about facades and smokescreeens.
    If the knee is so seriously injured then why doesn't Nadal just have surgery? Surely, if the knees are causing Nadal so much pain he should get it fixed. Nadal can certainly afford the best doctors and have world class medical care.

    This knee injury story is stupid and Peter Bodo is correct, there is more going on with Nadal than his knee injury.

    Nadal and his PR people are doing whatever they can to give him as much media hype and mystique as possible. This guy is worst than Marlene Dietrich.:) He is such a drama queen and he goes overboard trying to generate publcity and press for his brand.

    Yes he's a celebrity. In the Spanish speaking world Nadal is huge he's a really big star. Nadal's PR people and his uncle Toni have tried for years to get Nadal's fan base beyond the usual boring tennis fans.

    Nothing wrong with that though, Nadal and his PR team are smart he's young, he's attractive and he can appeal to numerous demographic markets.

    Nadal does many things to expand his brand and reach new markets. For instance, Nadal appearing in the silly Shakira music video a few years ago. The media jumped it like mad saying Nadal and Shakira were dating but the truth was it was simply PR crap to get Nadal attached to a big Latin celebrity.
     
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    I LOLed, and then I LOLed some more :lol:
     
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    Djoker is next to go hiatus for injuries.

    He stretches like Mr. Reed in fantastic four and you think he's made of rubber, but he will crack under pressure sooner or later.

    If you learned anything watching the top guys for so many years it should be the style of their play. Look how much difference that has made.
     
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    Sure he is more charismatic, specially with the primal screams and shirt rippings.
     
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    Well that's a lot more fun than Federer playing with his hair and walking around with purses. Federer should be on Ru Paul's drag race never seen a "straight man" so concerned about his hair and clothing than Federer.:)
     
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    i read the lynn barber essay and found her questions and article invading and rude. even she knows shes obnoxious when she writes "I wanted to ask Rafa about Tiger Woods and spent a long time before the interview plotting how I could best raise his name without looking too obvious". sounds like lynn barber is the phony one
     
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    Well obviously the media is paying attention to him and covering this story closely because he is a big international tennis star, what does that have to do with him being a drama queen? Players like Nadal or Federer will always get media attention whether they like it or not.

    Nadal is missed and his comeback is a big story, PR or no PR.

    Surgery is always used as a last resort, other treatment is always used first. Once you get surgery on complicated joints such as the knees, ankles, elbows or wrists there is no guarantee that those joints will ever be the same again. Surgery is harder to recover from, regardless of how good the doctors are.
     
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    You talk about PR like it's a sin and is exclusive to Nadal.

    They do it all, Hello!

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    I don't like Bodo but that article is spot on. The Nadal camp reminds me of the Keystone Cops.
     
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    Nadal claims he's still in pain despite being off the ATP Tour for seven months he's an idiot. Nadal should have done the surgery last year and he would probably feel so much better.

    Del Potro got wrist surgery because it was serious and he's now back in the ATP Tour top 10 after missing most of 2010.

    Maria Sharapova got surgery on her shoulder and she got back to the top 10 and won a slam last year.

    If Nadal's creeking knees are causing him so much pain and so much discomfort then obviously now he should have surgery. And not just for Nadal's career but also his quality of life after his career ends.

    Nadal is one of the richest tennis celebrities EVER he can afford the BEST doctors in the world to do the surgery on his knee. He can afford the best sports medicine so your talk about not getting surgery is BS.
     
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    It's tough finding fault with Federer isn't it? So you have to resort to criticising his wardrobe? Now that's laughable. And his lovely locks? Even more laughable especially when you look at the hair of the others. :lol:
     
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    BTW it sounds like you're a bit of a homophobe.
     
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    There is a lot of things to criticize Federer about but this thread is about Nadal.:) One thing I will say about Nadal is he isn't as arrogant as Federer or as boring. Federer is the male version of Steffi Graf he is an ugly German speaking big nose robot that wins a lot of grand slams.
     
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    Calling Federer a robot is completely laughable. And there are millions who find him anything but boring. You're just blinded by hatred and I shall scroll by your idiotic posts from now on because clearly you judge tennis players on their looks rather than their talent, style of play and contribution to the game. You are a complete fool and not worthy of my time.

    Edit: you are also a racist
     
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    I think she is...she's always going on about Federer and Nadal being gay, just in another thread she was saying that none of the girls interest Nadal because they are of the wrong gender, as if that's meant to be an insult or something :-?
     
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    Which is probably why she quoted that Barber article. If I recall correctly that Barber woman implied that Nadal was gay. I don't remember the context but I remember she was shocked at his open fly - well then why do an interview while he's on the massage table? And she made reference to his sexuality.
     
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    Yes you're right, in the article she implied that his girlfriend was a beard to hide his sexuality. That must be what Amelie Mauresmo is referring to when she says we don't see the real Nadal.

    That Barber woman is a prude for being offended by someone's fly being open during a massage, what was she expecting him to wear? A suit?
     
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    Why are you so concerned about Nadal's knees? If they didn't choose surgery, it's for a reason. Like I said it's always a last resort.

    His knees probably still hurt because you need a progressive loading programme to stimulate the cells to heal. When you return to doing physical activity after an injury it takes time for your body to get used to movement, you need to build the tendon's tolerance and make it stronger.

    If his knees get really bad during the clay season, then only then do I think will they consider surgery again.

    Anyways here is the article

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/21309064
     
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    That 31 year old man would have made it to the semis even if Nadal had played. And since Nadal's "Knees" caused him to miss AO, who is the "old fart" now?
     
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    thats true, plus del potro is not at the level he was before he had surgery and neither is sharapova
     
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    Ha ha, he looks like Anthony Perkins in Psycho!
     
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    Nadal has made a career out of "injured" knees. Its his excuse for everything, he is the biggest drama queen in the biz. Let's say Rafa wasn't suspended and he was really injured (something I don't believe for a second, but for the sake of the argument, let's think that). He plays against Rosol, reaches 5 sets, fights hard. Let's say he wins this match - do you really think he takes a 7 month break after? Or does he continue playing to win? Exactly.
     
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    http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/2006/01/scoping_doping.html


    """So, as far as I’m concerned, everyone from Roger Federer on down to the most desperate journeyman is a potential doper. It just wouldn’t be fair to look at it any other way. In this regard, some readers accused me of “protecting” Andre Agassi while planting suspicions about Rafael Nadal when I analyzed their withdrawals from the Australian Open yesterday.

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    By contrast, the upcoming Grand Slam event offers Nadal his best shot at winning a major on a surface other than clay, and moving one step closer to challenging Federer’s ascendancy—something Agassi is unlikely to do in the foreseeable future.

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    Regarding Rafa, lots of athletes play with pain.
    football players, basketball players, baseball players, futbol players.

    hell, kerri strug won a gold medal on a broken leg.

    However, its not typical for an athlete to have a long layoff and still decide to play with pain. Most of the time an athlete is in the middle of a season or in the playoffs or its a big event and they decide to suck it up and play with pain.

    This dude has been off the tour for 7 months and is still claiming knee pain and is paying anyway???

    Where are his doctors? Are they morons?

    If the knees are so damaged that he is still experiencing pain why was he jet skiing and participating in golf tournaments?? Cuz you know bending the knees is just the ticket for a patellar tendon tear.

    ******* and his camp should just stop talking cuz nothing they say makes any damn sense.
     
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    amusing...

    he picked the wrong example to illustrate tennis 'moving on' in Nadal's absence; he chose the Aussie Open final, which was one of the most boring in recent memory.

    If anything, that match proves that it isn't only Nadal's fans who miss him and what he brings to tennis.
     
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    honestly...whether nadal played murray or djoker, it still would have been a match of unending grinding and grunting.
     
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    that was the ridiculous thing, and i commented under the article...after watching ferrer admirably hold his top 4 seed but then have to deal miserably with djokovic in two straight slam semis and then say nadal wasn't missed is truly insane...bodo seems truly wounded in this article like he's going through some kind of crisis...tignor over there commented on the same things yesteday in an actual rational manner
     
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    ok but bodo also mentioned the USO, the olympics.

    Sure the AO was a dud but he is saying there have been plenty of exciting moments in tennis since nadal stopped playing.
     
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    some... tennis is a wonderful sport...i fell in love with it in the early 70's (i'm 49) but the last two majors have suffered greatly...oz was obvious....i give joker full credit, i've grown to really respect him but to say nadal didn't help him a bit to win the title would be wrong...while murray couldn't put away fed easier djokovic was able to come down from the wawrinka match nicely as the tourney went on...yes, murray got a break with del potro losing but his one tough pre-final match did end up hurting him....in the end, which side of the draw murray ended up in was huge, way bigger than it should have been...fed's tough draw was overrated, until he got to murray, than it was really hard compared to novak

    and the us open wasn't much better...ferrer got a break for one set with the wind to deal with novak but it was over the next day easily and quickly...i love david but he is not a member of the big anything..and yes, murray did win the title, but that's not the point..the entertainment factor suffered terribly

    olympics worked out fine, wtf obviously has been rafa's weak link, but two majors damaged show he has been missed big time...wawrinka, tsonga, berdych, ferrer, tipsarevic all play a role, nicely at times, but you can't replace a superstar easily at all

    finally, if bodo or anybody thinks tennis, men's tennis, is not being set up for some real trouble here in about five, and certainly ten years, down the road they are kidding themselves...people may not realize how good they have it now...that next generation is not good, not good at all, there is not a single transcendent player, that is apparent...and i'm not hearing anything about a great junior out there

    some writer (it may have been tignor or wertheim, i'm not sure) recently said he had come to believe nadal was absolutely the key figure in this golden age of men's tennis...not the best, he said that was federer, but that nadal was the linchpin in all these great rivalries...and i believe that as well...even all these truly despicable human beings who live for nothing other than to hate on him like he's the devil prove that point...nadal is a driving force of the entire sport...hopefully he's back for a while now and playing well...if not, maybe he will have to get surgery and then try to come back after that if he wants...if not then he can retire and enjoy the waters off mallorca and playing poker and golf.....a huge loss for tennis but if he's content then that's all that matters
     
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    i'll add...i get the distinct impression that many if not all of these nadal haters are just praying he gets busted for doping then they can start adding up the majors their guy has truly won..."fed should have 30!".."novak would already have double figures"...."murray wouldn't have had to wait so long"...what they might want to consider is what happens when it's their guy that gets busted and how they deal with all the emotional energy they put into rooting for him and against nadal all these years...what a truly balanced, rational person might want to think about is that if they're all doping the entire golden age is a fraud and we've all been had

    hopefully they're all clean and this has not only been a great era in tennis but of any sport
     
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    and as far as the barber piece, that was truly strange...just like bodo's piece it said far more about her and her weaknesses and predilections than nadal...the sexual overtone was flat-out weird...hey lynn, sometimes a massage is just a massage
     
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    I see the similarity...

    [​IMG]......[​IMG]
     
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    yes, yes obviously so for many people...that is nowhere near exciting enough of an answer...you fail
     
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    The USO was more damaged by the winds than a lack of rafa.

    Murray vs Djoker is more interesting on a faster surface.


    clearly you are a rafa fan, thats fine.

    not all of us sacrifice bulls at his altar.
     
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    You call people despicable human beings because they don't worship Nadal? You truly take fanatic to a whole new level.:shock:
     
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    Apparently, Bodo has never had tendinitis. Bad cases take months to heal and be pain free (if it heals at all). It took a good 9 months for my forearm to heal, and I'm only a teaching pro, not a pro player.
     
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    Barber piece has strange parts like questioning his sexuality a bit too much but it has some reality in it as well.She ask some questions most of the journalist on the tennis world wouldnt even dare to ask. She also give her opinion that this guy can indeed be just a PR tool not just a simple humble guy from Mallorca as his PR machine try to show all those years.You know what since when making interviews when a massage going on becomes a norm ?? Thats also disrespectful from Nadal side towards a interviewer.He has to understand not everybody is his fan girl or boy.
     
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    Forgive me because I may be a bit biased, and I haven't read a lot of Bodo articles, but seriously was anything he said that bad? I can see that he takes a few digs at Nadal, so perhaps not the most professional article writer out there, but I like that he has spoke his mind. I mean seriously, who hasn't thought of all that stuff that Bodo just wrote? People around here do it happily all the time, and I'm sure others (casuals) do as well. It sounds like a lot of people are sensitive to this issue. You can see it in this thread as clear as day. Understandable, but again was he really wrong in saying most of what he said? Even the most diehard Rafa fans have to admit that the Nadal camp is not clear in what they say a lot of the time. And his knees are a controversial issue. Again forgive me, but he's had enough incidents now where he can pretty much be classified as a "drama queen." If people stopped taking the sensitive defensive side of this, and saying "Get better soon Rafa!" Or "How dare you question Rafael Nadal's knees!" you might realize that most of the **** the Nadal camp comes out with is ridiculous.

    The only time I ever felt the game needed Rafa was when Ferrer got destroyed in the AO SF. Granted Nadal in any state would've probably lost that match too, but he wouldn't have been killed like Ferrer, that is a guarantee. The truth is, the game HAS moved on without Rafa, and its been fine. Do I want Rafa back? Even as a Federer fan, absolutely. Believe me I do. I don't wish injury on anyone, but the game moves on, and it's still a great game. It will move on when Federer retires too. I'll be sad, but I'll pick a new favourite and keep watching tennis. I'm sure there may be some that won't move on from Federer ( or Nadal), but that's not my problem.

    And I'd like to pose a question now, and get everybody's take on it. Ask yourself this. If Nadal never existed, (for lack of better terms, because I do hate using those terms) and the game was as it is now, would you be complaining that Nadal wasn't there if all we really knew was Federer, Djokovic, and Murray?
     
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  48. namelessone

    namelessone Legend

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    LOL.

    If Nadal never existed how could anyone complain about the absence of a non-entity in today's game?
     
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  49. TennisCJC

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    Every is bashing Bodo and acusing him of being a Nadal hater, but I remember many Bodo articles about Nadal which were so complimentary to Nadal it was like Bodo had a man crush. Bodo has written tons of praise about Nadal and I got the impression Nadal was one of his favorites a few years ago.

    I think the criticism by Bodo has merit.

    Does Nadal have a knee injury or not? Is he finally going to play or not?

    Plus Nadal's OCD and many medical timeouts in key matches put me off. Why does he have to line up his water bottles? Be the last one out on court for the coin toss? Jump up and down during the coin toss? Run zig zap back to the baseline for warm-up? Pick his jock strap incestantly? The guy is weird.

    Tennis will be fine without him. Djoko, Murray and Federer are all great players and hopefully we will see some new twist from Tsonga or Del Po. Maybe some of the new guys like Dimitrov, Milos, or Jersey J can make a break thru. Bodo is correct the game is bigger than anyone player.
     
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  50. Bartelby

    Bartelby G.O.A.T.

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    Nadal has a chronic knee injury that became critical and is now better after a seven month absence, but the injury is still there as it is a chronic condition under continuing management.
     

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