Boedekker is a thief, a cheat, and a liar

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  1. Ten_nuts

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    Boedekker sold me 2 faked Wilson KTour 95 racquets. His post says racquets have grip 4 3/8s, but when i received them, they don't have labels the grip sizes. He used the very thick replacement grips on them to cover the handles. I didn't like the replacement grips so i took them off, and they are like 4 1/8s. I popped out the butt caps and they don't have foams inside the handles. Because i used Paypal to pay for the racquets, i filed a dispute before sending the email saying the racquets are faked, and i wanted to return them for refund. He told me he needed some time to investigate. I waited for 2 days and still no response. I escalated to a claim, and he said that I pushed him and didn't respect him. So everything i did was wrong? he told me that i shouldn't file a claim? I waited for 2 days with no response from him and escalated, not enough time because he has a job? Last one, he said that I didn't treat him with repsect? huh? I never used bad language or swear to tallk to him, or i should repsect him for selling me faked racquets? And finally He said that He will use the refund amount to give to a charity or buy himself a new racquet.
    So guys, be careful in dealing with this guy. He sold me faked racquets and didn't want to refund but making me feel bad because i pushed him and didn't respect him. His ID is Boedekker. His email is "kirk knott" <knottkirke@yahoo.com>.
     
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  2. vkartikv

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    Were their weights and balances off too? It would interesting to see the pictures, just out of curiosity, to see how well the paintjob matches the original.
    p.s. Charity and treating oneself to a new frame are not the same!
     
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  3. Bud

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    I've not heard of fake Ktour 95's... not a very popular racquet to justify the expense of making and selling fakes.

    Second, what number is written on the handle pallets when the grips were removed? Are Ktour 95's even available in grip size 1?

    Pleas post some pics of the racquet, the handle pallet (showing the grip size) and inside the butt cap.
     
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    Only once have I been sold a fake racquet - it was an lm prestige mid back in 2005. It was supposedly a 4 3/8 but felt like even a baby could swing it. Beam widths were way off, no cap grommets, not even the traditional head grip shape. The grip size is the first sign of imminent trouble.
     
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    Bud. Fake K tours are floating out there. I'm speaking from my recent experience having bought one. Have to admit that they did a very neat job. They've got weight,balance right. Very neat paintjob as well. What's missing was grip sticker, no code at the butt.

    Those sellers who start their items @ 49.99. I think now they change their strategy into selling them as used, like new. Unfortunatley, they all have 99.8 % feedback and up. :confused:

    Fortunately, I was able to coax the seller to pay for return shipping and got all my money back. I did leave them a negative feedback reflecting item condition.
     
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  6. SteveI

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    Hi,

    Sorry about your problems on this one. His refs look good.. and I am guessing you did intestigate that end of it. It is possible that he is trying to investigate your claim (ie.. check with who he got them from etc..) If you can please post some pics.. or send them to one of our folks that can post them so we can take a look. Is possible that he did not know he had fakes??
    I would give the seller a chance to make good.. if he does not go the PayPal claim route. Good luck..

    Steve
     
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  7. Fearsome Forehand

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    The suspected counterfeit racket issue aside, the wrong grip size issue is enough to warrant a full refund by the seller.

    Is there a grip size on the grip pallet?

    Kirk should have ten_nuts return the rackets for a full refund. That is what will probably happen with the PP claim.

    I think this is the original ad:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=4389551

    Kirk, it would be smart to simply settle with the buyer and accept the return. Much easier than proving a racket isn't a counterfeit. The incorrect grip size issue alone warrants the return.

    And I might suggest to the OP that using defamatory language about the seller isn't the smartest move either. The title of this thread is a bit over the top. Simply post the facts related to the transaction without getting personal. I realize you are upset about the seller's indifferent response to your concerns but I doubt the seller has any knowledge the rackets are fakes, if they are. Calmly pursue a refund via PP and/or your credit card issuer if you paid with a cc. (If PP doesn't come through for you, initiate a chargeback through your cc issuer.)

    This is easy. Two reasonable adults should be able to amicably resolve this matter.
     
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  8. Ten_nuts

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    Thanks for sharing your opinions. I thought i didn't do anything wrong, and i am sure i didn't insult seller, but this guy used everything i did to make me feel bad. I used Paypal to pay for the racquets, and thing went wrong, so i filed a dispute. If you were me, wouldn't you do that? He said he needed sometime to investigate, and i gave him 2 or 3days. I even sent him the pictures of the real racquet's handle comparing his racquets' handles. I didn't hear from him, so i escalated to a claim. He said he would not put his job aside and rush in to respond someone pushy @ss (me i guess). I really didn't know he works all day? He also said that everything i did showing that I didn't respect him? And in conclusion, he hoped that the racquets he sold me are fakes, and he'll use the money i paid to give to a charity or buy himself a new racquet? That sounds cool. I just want to point out that he tried to buy time and used his words to make to me feel like i am bad and he's good. Sorry that i have to state clearly so you guys can see how he responded to get away.
     
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  9. Steve Huff

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    You did the right thing. By filing a claim, you kept him from cleaning out his Paypal account before the issue was resolved.
     
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    In my opinion, you acted too hastily to escalate to a claim. Two days is, in my opinion, not sufficient time to fully investigate an issue. If he had no idea the rackets were fake, then investigating would have involved emailing/contacting his seller, and figuring things out from there. IMO, two days without communication is not sufficient time. I generally keep in contact with the person I'm doing a transaction with, and I usually answer/keep in touch on a 12 hour basis, but there have been times where I'm out somewhere and unable to communicate. Two days, IMO, was too hasty.

    Finally, can you conclusively prove the rackets were fake? Personally, I'd like to see some pictures. Not that I don't trust you tennuts, but there is the chance that they're not actually fakes.
     
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    Boedekker response

    -Bought form certified seller.

    -4.5 player who used the sticks for over a month and not fakes.

    -Grip was a 4 3/8, not a 4 1/4 or 4 1/8 like he claims.

    -Paypal closed the dispute as without merit.

    -Was actualy willing to refund Ten Nuts money but after escalated claims, false allegations, and hostile emails (look at title of this thread by ten_nuts) decided why accomadate an ass.

    -Check my other references and decide if I'm a scammer in the businees of selling fakes.

    -Beware of Ten Nuts, if nothing else have to agree he is "Nuts" all right!
     
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    Can you please post some pictures and also email exchange so we see who was rude and who was not?
    It is hard to tell - you are saying that he is bad and he is saying that you are bad. That is not gonna get you anywhere. Please provide some proof.
    You say he sent you fakes? Please post pictures and show us that racquets are fake.
    You said that you never insulted him in emails? Please post email exchange here so we can see.
    Same goes for the seller. Do not just say that all is wrong and buyer is nuts - prove it please.
    Negative reference here is not a good thing to have if you want to buy/sell on TT. I mean, even if you have 50 positives, people WILL look at that negative and think twice before doing anything. Especially when you are accused of selling fakes. Nobody will want to take chances. I am sure you know what i am talking about.
     
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    Can someone please let me know how to post pictures in here? I remembered i did it once but i totally forgot. My email is chantran1999 at yahoo dot com. I will post pictures showing the handles. The seller's racquets have handles smaller than 4 3/8 for sure. If racquets were used for only over a months, why don't they have the labels/stickers at the throat indicating the grip sizes? Also no numbers on the pallets showing the handles' sizes, like 3 in this case. Last but not least, the butt caps show that they were opened before so i checked them and there's no foam inside the pallets. Tada.
     
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  14. decades

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    Boedekker is a thief, a cheat, and a liar

    come on, you're just getting warmed up right? :shock:

    why does he only have post count of one? I see he made at least 3 posts????
     
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  15. ronalditop

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    Posts on References, odds and ends, and rants and raves forums dont add up to your post count.
     
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  16. Fearsome Forehand

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    If you want to post pics of the rackets here, upload them to a service like photobucket or flickr. Then post a link to the uploaded pics URL location within your TW post.

    Not sure the absence of a grip sticker (easily removed) and/or the absence of foam inside the pallets proves the rackets are fakes. I have lots of rackets that are genuine that don't have foam inside the handles or grip stickers. There is a difference between suspecting a racket might be counterfeit and proving it is a counterfeit.

    Do all genuine Wilson KFactor KTours have foam inside the handles? Anyone know for certain? Maybe the buyer can contact Wilson directly? That would seem to be the definitive source of information about counterfeit Wilson rackets.

    There is a post of e bay regarding fake Wilson rackets and some of the ways to tell if a racket is a countefeit.


    Also, if someone has a genuine Kfactor KTour in 3/8 grip can you measure the pallet circumference to establish what the pallet should measure without a grip? I know some manufacturer's have bigger, or smaller, grips than one would expect (Estusa for one). Not all 3/8's are created equal. Chan what do the pallets on the rackets in question measure?

    I think one of the lessons of this less than happy deal, is not to let one's anger or frustration get the better of you. Stay calm and try to get the seller/buyer to do the right thing by you before getting PP involved and posting negative references with defamatory titles. After that, the other party is going to be much less willing to work out a solution.

    I hope for the buyer's benefit someone is able to establish the rackets are not fakes so at least he will have what he payed for. If they are proven to be fakes, then the buyer has a legitimate gripe and the seller should still refund him despite the bickering and ill will.

    Found these regarding the 6.1 version, maybe they will help establish authenticity or lack thereof:

    http://sites.google.com/site/sixonetour90/Home/an-authentic-k-tour-90

    http://sites.google.com/site/sixonetour90/Home/photos-info-on-fake-k-six-one-tour-90

    Chan, you can also look at things like weight and balance and see how they compare to the posted Wilson specs. If they are way off, that would indicate a fake.
     
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  17. Topaz

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    Here is the inside of my kTour:

    [​IMG]

    Plenty of foam as you can see. And I'm 110 percent certain that mine are genuine.

    I have a 4 1/4 grip though, so can't help out there, sorry.
     
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    Topaz, is that pic of a KFactor KTour 95? If not, it doesn't prove very much.
     
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    Yes was in process of contacting Wilson although stand by sticks as legit and just let it all go when Ten_Nuts had his knee-jerk meltdown. Thought why bother with the guy anymore. Not worth it at that point. Best to all, even you Ten_Nuts.
     
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    Yes it is. Wouldn't have bothered posting it if it wasn't.

    Btw, kTour is only offered in 95.
     
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    Yes, would have refunded out of courtesy regardless if he's just shown a little courtesy.
     
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    I'd be interested to see pictures of the rackets actually.
     
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    He's wrong on the grips. He seems to have stripped them down and is now claiming they're too small but. Absolutley no way they're the size he says with a grip on them. I played with them. Just doesn't add up.
     
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    Thank you, Topaz. Just wanted to clarify. The absence of foam in the pallets might prove the rackets are counterfeits. I am admittedly not very knowledgeable about Wilson rackets since I play other brands mostly.

    Anyone else who owns a KFactor KTour care to help out, pop off the butt cap and see what is there?

    Both the seller and the buyer in this case seem like good guys with good references so I would hope if the evidence clearly indicates the rackets are probably fakes, the seller will refund the buyer. I believe the seller had no knowledge that rackets are not authentic, if they are, in fact, fakes. There are some pretty well made counterfeits floating around that would fool most people.

    I'm lucky the rackets I like don't have these sorts of counterfeiting issues. What a pain in the neck this must be for both parties.
     
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  25. decades

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    this to me is the wrong attitude to take when the situation remains in flux. It does not matter if he took the grips off to have a look see because it felt small. what matters is what is the STOCK size of the grip?
     
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    Haven't "lied or thieved" and can prove it regardless of the racquet accusations. That makes what you say libelous and that's no joke Ten_Nuts if I decide to come at you the way you're trying to come at me. Might be wise to chill out and man up a bit sport.
     
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    I think the grip issue, although a legit issue, is much less of an issue than the counterfeit issue. Based on Topaz's racket, one has to strongly suspect the rackets are counterfeits. I would like to hear from a couple of other KFactor KTour owners regarding foam in the handles.

    Now that everyone has cooled off (hopefully), maybe the buyer and seller can start anew and work out a refund. That seems to be the sensible solution.
     
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    No worries, done with the classifieds here. Dealing with guys like Ten_Nuts not worth it. Lesson learned and will be just fine.
     
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    True.
    And by the way, where is TEN_NUTS? Is he getting all this? Are we gonna see pictures of so called fake racquets?
     
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    uhh, I think you are acting incorrectly. someone accused you of being a thief, scammer, etc. and while I understand you think he is an "ass", you act as if you could care less what the community thinks. FYI I dealt with Tennuts on two seperate occassions and he was terrific to deal with. so the "attitude" you seem to show here says something to me. Not taking sides, just noting you have the wrong "attitude"...you should try to clear your name.
     
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    again, wrong attitude.

    I may be jumping the gun here, but I have dealt with tennuts a few times and have had communication with him in the past. he is a really good guy. I don't see as a liar, so i believe he got these racquets in said condition. However, he still needs to add the pics, but I believe him. boedekker's attitude is completely wrong and its shows me (and anyone else with half/brain) he seems to fly off the handle and is just someone that is not easy/pleasant to deal with should a situation go wrong.

    If this was indeed a case where boedekker was unaware he had "fake" racquets, then he could have fixed the situation. But he seems to have chosen to let tennuts hang out to dry.

    boedekker should take the racquets back. PPal is a joke, so who knows what reason they had to take the seller's side...I doubt they know much about knock-off racquets and tennuts had no way to prove it.

    bye bye boedekker, seems like you have a bad attitude anyway.
     
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    We should all take note of PP's terrific "buyer protection".

    In this case, ten_nuts seems to have purchased a couple of counterfeit Wilsons (at least we suspect they are probably countefeit.) He promptly filed a claim with PP (I assume on significantly not as described/counterfeit grounds) and PP quickly sided with the seller. Once again, PP proves to be not so great.

    I am not taking sides as I don't know all the facts, but if I was the seller, and I thought the buyer had a case, (absence of foam in the pallets certainly suggests the rackets might be counterfeit), I would tell the buyer to return the frames with tracking and I will issue a refund on receipt. I wouldn't want to stick someone with rackets that might be fakes. My next move would be to go back to my "certified seller" and ask him WTF the deal is. If the original seller is a legitimate retailer/e-tailer, they have some explaining to do. If boedekker bought these used, off e bay or otherwise, this should serve as a reminder to be extremely careful with buying Wilsons and Babolats as there seems to be many counterfeit rackets floating around.

    I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, boedekker would want a refund. A perceived lack of diplomacy or courtesy on the buyer's part doesn't remove the seller's obligation to make things right IMHO.

    Again, let's hope cooler heads prevail and these two adults will live up to their past very good references and reach an amicable resolution.

    Chan, if all else fails and you paid with a cc, this isn't over yet in terms of non-PP recourse. You can still initiate a chargeback with your cc issuer.
     
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    I am trying to work with the pictures. Boedekker, you don't have to talk like that the way you come at me, not you or anyone. I care about my feedbacks in here because i respect all people in here. I think the people in here are like me, like to play tennis, like to get good deals in here, and like to return the favors to anyone who is interested in my racquets. If i sold someone a racquet, and if buyer sends me a message saying it's a faked racquet, i will promptly ask him to return for refund and i'd apologize that buyer. That's how i show my respect to buyers, and how i keep my good ref. in here. Boedekker, when you got my email saying that those are fakes, you said you bought them from a wholesaler with good ref., and you needed time to investigate, so i gave you 3 days. Not a word from you, i escalated to a claim. What did you do wrong? You guys can see what i posted at the beginning, and now Boedekker posted that dealing with me not worth it !!!!!! Man, you sold me faked racquets, refused to refund, and now dealing with me not worth it? What a mouthy you are?! You guys can see that?
     
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    Thank you Fearsome_Forehand, but this time i think i lost 130. I also collect watches, like buying new ones and selling used ones. I sold 2 watches, and my account has more than 3k in there. I didn't use CC to pay for this transaction.
     
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    I used to use a Wilson n5 in 4 3/8, and I currently have many rackets from other manufacturers on 4 3/8. In my experience, Wilsons tend to feel a little small when compared to Heads and Babolats, and about the same when compared to Princes. Perhaps you are used to Heads or Babs and are feeling the difference?
     
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    By looking inside the butt caps without foam comparing the one that Topaz posted above, we all can see that they are totally different handles. By the way, thanks, Topaz for showing me how to post pictures. I think i still couldn't get it.
     
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    Wow, what a mess. I don't side with either party here yet as I can see both sides so far. There are a few things that would make me suspect about both the OP and seller's claims.

    As for the OP, first off the title of the thread is harsh. Makes me wonder what language was used when communicating with the seller claiming the racquets were fakes. Honestly, if I didn't know I sold fakes and was accused of doing so, a non-accusatory approach would make all the difference in how I would respond. You have my email, you have my address via PayPal, so you know how to find me should this all be a scam. Plus, it seems the seller has good references here and did eventually get in contact with you. Not necessarily qualities of a thief and a scammer. I also agree that 2 days was a little haste in escalating to a claim via PP. Maybe with a little more time in gathering the facts, the claim would've fallen in the OP's way. Bottom line, why aren't pics posted yet? It's not that hard. Pics of the handle would really clear things up.

    As for the seller, I also agree with others that walking away from the forum is a haste move. It's understandable to want to not deal with crap like this anymore when you're so publicly attacked, but walking away doesn't really solve anything either. In the end, it's the seller's choice now whether or not to refund the money. Personally, I'd refund it in a heartbeat. But it seems as for now, without proof of the racquets actually being fakes, the seller's rep will be tarnished here on the boards, if not simply for the title of this thread alone.

    I hope it all works out for both parties in the end.
     
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    Ahhhh ... I see we were posting at the same time, OP. Thanks for sharing the pics. So, does this conclude that they are indeed fakes? I'm not familiar with how to spot a Wilson fake.
     
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    No problem...I think you just need to put the img tags on it...the img code should be right there on the photobucket page...just copy and paste into your message.
     
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    I can't say I'm a Wilson expert. But as far as I'm aware if no grip size sticker, missing 3 letter codes stamped at buttcapp. I'd say most likely it's not real. I'm now looking at some authentic Wilson sticks (similar generation to K Tour) we have here which was bought from authorized dealer in town and all three of them have what you don't seem to have on your sticks.

    When I was fudged that time with most likely a fake K tour from the bay it also missed grip size sticker and no codes at buttcapp. I wasn't able to look inside the handle. Had to keep plastic on for return purposes.

    So hope this helps somehow.
     
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    It seems like an authentic Kfactor KTour handle is a solid piece of foam. That is fairly common. I have Dunlops and Estusas that are like that. The hollow handle seems more consistent with a fake.

    Chan, when you remove the trap door from the butt caps, are there any codes or grip sizes molded into the butt cap where the trap door mates to it? If not, then the rackets are most probably fakes. If real, it should look something like this underneath the trap door:

    http://6598922398841486920-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/sixonetour90/Home/an-authentic-k-tour-90/gkw.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crHBqv7RK6VD3KHv_6oCi6Gax_KPUdvprn4hPv4rugrgXbjlWqGPIyeU-Dun4Wgstxy3i4xrU8riFgbNYYjRLuscRJCvyuu9n63q9kTcqRVvqczbB7HcK_moU2f8Hv2w7fZUZCrjVWMtQ-6ICmoynfxsg8_iQvj0Q0UKFWJsau2i9KQVlMM3p2BwBuMhFW_0swnvnkzdC_eXAATeaYw1FwX7StM5ZQ9olVj4XyM-60LgGth1d0%3D&attredirects=0

    Have you weighed the rackets? (add the weight of the original stock grip).

    You might as well post pics of the whole rackets as there are probably problems with the cosmetics, too. Compare the suspected fakes to a known real KTour cosmetically, do you see any differences?

    Are the string patterns, string spacing and grommets identical to a known real KTour?

    This is starting to look like these rackets are fakes. I hope boedekker reappears and does the right thing. I think there is enough doubt about the rackets' authenticity that a refund is in order no matter what boedekker thinks of ten_nuts reaction to the problem.
     
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  44. bertrevert

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    ^ As FF shows - under Wilson buttcap is the grip size expressed both as a size and as a fraction.

    Specifically under my two KTours it has this measurement, and they are both filled with foam.

    ps. I have had the grip off as well and they are just that clean cream colour all the way down of the real one, the fakes (?) look very strange to me.
     
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    Outside of all the other issues.. I am glad I use a 4 5/8 grip and do not play Wilson frames. What a nightmare the Wilson QC and "fakes" issues are. Give me my underated and unpriced Dunlops anytime. Thanks to all that are helping to police this one. Topaz, FFH..you get the gold stars..

    Topaz.. how goes the all the snow?

    Regards,
    Steve
     
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    Our road is *almost* down to the pavement. But other roads are passable, just sometimes missing lanes. Been out and about pretty easily lately, but there is more coming today! :shock: But they are saying only 1-3", and at this point, that's no big deal for us. We're getting snow-hardy! :)
     
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    This is what the seller just sent me last night, 2-14-2010:
    ""Understand you're mad about the racquets. You obviously disagree with my assessment of the situation, and that's fine, I get that. But publicly labeling someone a liar and a thief doesn't just make you look over-the-top angry and foolish, it's libelous and a legal transgression becasue it's false and that can easily be proven.

    And Even if I am wrong and the racquets are not llegitimate (a claim I still doubt for a number reasons alreadymentioned, I haven't lied to you or stolen from you. It would have happened unkowingly and without any nefarious intent. So might do well to back off it some.

    Having a difference of opinion isn't lying. So if you keep it up, I have a clear legal path that I can go down. So up to you if you again want to escalate the situation and face some signicant and typically costly legal consequences.
    -Kirk""

    All i wanted is returning the racquets and getting refund. I used PP to pay, so i filed a dispute. You needed time to investigate, i gave you 3 days. No response so i escalated to a claim. You called me pushy @ss, no respect for you, and told me to go ahead and post in the TW board and i did. You always say that you ready, willing to refund if i should have done this or that, but you never really wanted to refund. If i don't call you a liar and a thief, what should i call for a guy who sold faked racquets, ripped off buyers, refused to refund for some senseless reasons. Can anyone help me with this? Anyway, i posted this so other nice people in here avoid dealing with you. So you are talking about consequences? I am not going anywhere. Bring it on.
     
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    LOL..he has absolutely NO legal grounds. My god...these people that think they know the law. consider the fact the racquets are fakes and he won't accpet them back..you may be able to contact the Internet Fraud division of the FBI and the Mail Fraud division of the Postal Service. If he accepts them..then he has no issues, but he won't, so you do have recourse. PPal is a joke, so don't count on them unless you used a credit card to pay boedekker. I would contact the FBI at this point. he is trying to scare you by claiming defamation..trust me, he has no recourse in that. But go to the FBI website and find the Internet Fraud Division. File a claim against him. You have his personal stuff and since selling fake racquet is fraudulent (since Wilson did not authorize them), you have a case. The least he will have to do is take them back and repay your money.
     
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    this makes me laugh. He won't accept a return, never tried to find out the legitamacy and now he threatens you..what a joke. I stated this earlier, bodekker is obviously a loose cannon (please don't sue me:shock:). No one should deal with this person. Lastly...the "significant and typically costly legal consequences" line is total hoot. Great funny stuff. I would fully explain why this boedekker is a joke, but I want him to FAIL all on his own.
     
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    Is this guy for real??? WHAT A JOKE!
    This B.S. may work with some kid who is in middle school or something but here.....OH, MY GOD!
    If i were you TEN_NUTS, i would say - go ahead, file legal action. And when he does not, i'd just bash him on the head.
    In fact, i agree with Azzurri 100% - he has absolutely NO legal grounds.
    I add him to my "DO NOT DEAL WITH" list.
    He has been squiggling about how he would refund and yet, no refund, not even an intention to refund.
    WHAT A JOKE!
     
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