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  1. Lukhas

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    Spin to RPM no problem. More control with PHT and still a good amount of spin IMO. Maybe the reason why Nadal prefers RPM, while Roddick did try the RPM but quickly went back to PHT.
     
  2. Nostradamus

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    Dear babolat. Why do you not sell that cheaper gut Tonic anymore ??? I can't find it anywhere in the TW site or internet in USA. not everybody is a millionare like Federer. us poor people need to enjoy the fruits of babolat natural gut as well.
     
  3. Lukhas

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    Tonic is $11 cheaper than VS. As I said in the Happy Hour thread, you still have Pacific Classic gut for example of cheaper alternatives. Or/and you can get an half set to string the mains and put whatever you want in the crosses. Or get the the pre-made pack of RPM with VS or PHT with VS, or any other brand that offers such a conditioning.
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/BabolatString.html
     
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    This is very astute. Roddick and Harrison both tried RPM, but felt it was too much spin and not enough control, so they stuck with PHT.
     
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    Have you checked with TW under Babolat string ;)?

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/BabolatString.html

    looks to be $11 cheaper in the US. Not sure for other markets.
     
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    its cool to see the official guy tell the honest truth straight up
     
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    Yes, well, the main thing is that he plays a Pure Drive and no matter what you stick in or on it it will be ever thus.
     
  8. Babolat Official

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    thanks for the comment
     
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    It is still $36. it is way too expensive. It used to be $26, what happened to price ?
     
  10. Lukhas

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    Used? When? It's natural gut man. All other brands are between 30 and 40$ or so, exception made of one specific set of Pacific strings because there's much less coating and the string is therefore more fragile. You're moaning way too much, it's not like Babolat is doing something different from other brands here. It's the "price of gut", not "Babolat's take on the price of gut" or something. Yes, dead cows are very expensive. EDIT: 20$ is the price of a premium multi or some Luxilon strings for example. Expecting natural gut to be the same price?
     
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    In 2010 TW had Tonic for $32.95. In 2009 it went from $24.99 to $31.95.
     
  12. DonDiego

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    Oh please... get a reel and it's 15$ bucks a set, or less.

    Edit: + 10$ a job, worth it if you like it, since it's gonna last for a while.
     
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    They make gut in a reel?

    (End sarcasm)
     
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    ooo gut in a reel would be fun!
     
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    It's from a VERY large cow!!!!
     
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    Thank you very much for your answer.

    Could you tell me or could you ask for the stifness of Andy Roddick frame? I'm very very interested on this spec.

    Thanks a lot again. Merci.
     
  17. Babolat Official

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    It takes two cows (intestines), 60 days, and all manual labor, to make one set of natural gut. I've had the honor seeing the process. I never understood why it was so expensive until I saw what it really takes to make ONE set. I'm trying to get a video made so people understand. It really is a craft, an art, that the family has been honing for over 130 years (more so if you count when the Babolat family produced string made for musical instruments).

    At the end of the day, it's a personal choice. It's either worth it, or it's not. And there are other companies making cheaper versions. But I can't comment to their quality or process.
     
  18. Babolat Official

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    He has his racquet customized by **** (or he used to). I'd ask them for the most up to date specs.
     
  19. Babolat Official

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    If the gut is not individually wrapped in sets...I would stay away from it.
     
  20. Lukhas

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    Something like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCHkNko0OvI

    Well, there isn't Babolat written over it, but I guess it's similar.
     
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    It was mentioned the Aero Storm Tour will be discontinued. I believe this is the best playing racquet in the Babolat line, and I have tried several. Perfect blend of Pure Storm Tour control and weight, with all the benefits of the Aero series dynamics.

    Will there be a replacement type racquet to take it's place, something along the same design?
     
  22. Lukhas

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    Aero Storm line already was discontinued. And has been for years in fact. But they're planning to bring back a similar model in 2014.
     
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    For years? I have 2 Gts purchased new this year. ( Yellow/black/white ) Good to hear about something similar for 2014.
     
  24. Lukhas

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    There was no Aero Storm this year in the Babolat line. You can check the website, the Aero Storm is nowhere to be found, and wasn't there in 2012 too (not totally sure). I don't say you're lying about finding two brand new ones, but Babolat had discontinued the frame few years back. Since when, I guess the official here can tell you. But there was no more Aero Storm last year or this year IIRC, but they're bringing back a similar frame in 2014. Which is good news indeed. Felt the Pure Storm Ltd Plus' head are vibrating too much. Well, I have to ruin my new frames first. :)
     
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    There are three U.S retailers that I know of, selling new Aero storm tours, as I write this. They may well be left overs. Not sure when the Babolat web site stopped showing the Aero storm series as a current model. I know TW did a review of the Aero Storm Tour GT, as a new iteration at the end of 2010, almost 2011.

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/BASTGT/BASTGTreview.html
     
  26. MikeHitsHard93

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    Aero storm was discontinued earlier this year I do believe...
     
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    Mr. Babolat. If you guys are so good and tech has advanced to a point of sending a man to Mars,,,, then why can't we still make a synthetic multi string that play even better than natural gut ???:confused:
     
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    Also after you use the intestines from the cow to make the natural gut, do you put the cows back into the field ?? to grow new intestines ?? like they do with sheep when they take their fur to make silk ?
     
  29. Lukhas

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    Not sure if serious...
    Ok, now I know you're trolling.
     
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    Yes, well, cows tend to get slaughtered for other reasons so I don't think there are special tennis cows which are fed on Wimbledon grass until ready to deliver slam winning strings.
     
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    No, I was serious about the Multi string part of it. If we have advanced so much and we are so smart then why can't we Still make Multi strings that perform even better than natural gut ???

    Is it kind of like Strad Violins ?? With all the advances, we still can't make violins that is as good or better than Stradivarius.....:cry:
     
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    Strangely enough, I read an article a few months ago (I'll try to link to it) about Stradivarius Violins. Researchers conducted tests using professional violinists that pitted Strads versus new high-end violins. In blind tests, the players overwhelmingly preferred the new violins, but when they knew which was which, they preferred the Strads. This could suggest that it is not a truly better family of instruments, but merely a suggestion based on the great name. They are undeniably great instruments, but they are not unparalleled.

    I doubt that it is the same way in tennis, but I also feel like we should be able to make a very good gut facsimile in the next ten or twenty years. I don't know why it seems to be so difficult.

    EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stradivarius#Comparisons_in_sound_quality

    Here's the Wiki page, which references several studies. The conclusion is that Stadivari violins are great, but not at all or substantially greater than other top-end violins.
     
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    I know about that test. I play violins myself. but that test was fraught with weaknesses and faulty study design. and even bias had crept into it. so that test is not perfect. Strads really do sound different especially when played in concert hall. I know of story told by Itzak Pearlman. He knew immediately the 1st time he heard Strad being played he was listening to something different, something extraordinary. and he didn't know who or what when he heard this from a far.
     
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    I understand that the test is not at all perfect, but it doesn't have to be. The various tests have all had their faults. The strange thing, though, is that it seems to me that bias would be more likely to favor a Stradivarius violin than any other, especially if violinists were the ones testing the different instruments. You say that you play violins, but to me, that would imply a substantial bias towards the Strad anyway! Think, you tell the story of Itzak Pearlman, but did you have a similar experience? Or did someone tell you that Strads have unparalleled sound?

    I simply find it strange that three separate studies, one a double-blind, would find that Strads are great, but are not substantially, if it all, better than other violins of top-level quality. I know that no one would ever be able to prove it, but I think there is a high likelihood that violin sound is part truth, part suggestion. As a caveat, I am not a violin player, but I am a musician and have listened to substantial violin literature. Anyway, sorry to derail the thread-- I do want to know why it is so difficult to replicate Gut synthetically with comparable quality.
     
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    yea im refering to juniors
     
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    Few years ago, by Babolat, I was told that Natural intestines of the cows and making a tennis string from them can make best elastic fibers that a man can make. They said they are yet to find a way to duplicate this natural fiber thru man-made fiber. Intestines are smooth muscles and have great Elastic potential,,,essentially they are another form of Muscle fibers.

    and it seem to be impossible with synthetic material to duplicate this form of natural elasticity.
     
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    Do you still make revenge and if not whats the most similar altervative
     
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    It was discontinued for 2013 but some big shops like TW may still have some in stock.

    We've got a new line coming in 2014 that fits the space. I've play tested it and was very impressed. We'll have more info and play test application later in the year.
     
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    Stopped being made in 2012
     
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    It was discontinued in 2012. Many of the large retailers still have some in stock. Call TW!
     
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    Don't you think we try?

    Synthetic materials can't replicate nature. Yet.
     
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    We do not make revenge anymore.
     
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    we purchase the gut from farm(s). not sure what the rest of the cow is intended for (leather, meat, etc.)
     
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    Pro Hurricane Feel? I'll have to double check with the product team.
     
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    Both come in 26 (Aeropro Drive Junior 26 and Pure Drive Roddick Junior 26). they are straight take downs of the adult racquet (same technology, etc.). this makes the transition to an adult frame easier. however, it also means they are more expensive.

    if price is an issue, we make cheaper aluminum racquets (as do most brands) in a variety of sizes. double check when purchasing as we sell a variety of 26 in frames that look like the APD and PD 26s but are cheaper because of materials.
     
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    we no longer make revenge
     
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    I think Babolat make great rackets and have been using them the past 6 years however I purchased a APD recently and I don't like the way the cortex feel. It just sticks out to much and when I cradle the racket I just don't like the feel of the cortex. Is there a way to shave off some of the rubber without damaging the paintjob or scratching the frame?
     
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    What if I told you I already found a way ? Can you have Eric Babolat contact me ? I have come up with a way to create a synthetic string that act just like natural gut and yet play even better than gut.

    Will the wonders of carbon nanotubes never cease? Engineers have now used everyone's favorite cylindrical √ľbermolecules to create artificial muscles that can contract and twist, in a manner not unlike like the muscles found in elephant trunks and squid tentacles. The upshot? Researchers say these tiny little motors‚Ķ
     
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