Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Babolat Official, Dec 10, 2012.
Aero storm was discontinued earlier this year I do believe...
Mr. Babolat. If you guys are so good and tech has advanced to a point of sending a man to Mars,,,, then why can't we still make a synthetic multi string that play even better than natural gut ???
Also after you use the intestines from the cow to make the natural gut, do you put the cows back into the field ?? to grow new intestines ?? like they do with sheep when they take their fur to make silk ?
Not sure if serious...
Ok, now I know you're trolling.
Yes, well, cows tend to get slaughtered for other reasons so I don't think there are special tennis cows which are fed on Wimbledon grass until ready to deliver slam winning strings.
No, I was serious about the Multi string part of it. If we have advanced so much and we are so smart then why can't we Still make Multi strings that perform even better than natural gut ???
Is it kind of like Strad Violins ?? With all the advances, we still can't make violins that is as good or better than Stradivarius.....:cry:
Strangely enough, I read an article a few months ago (I'll try to link to it) about Stradivarius Violins. Researchers conducted tests using professional violinists that pitted Strads versus new high-end violins. In blind tests, the players overwhelmingly preferred the new violins, but when they knew which was which, they preferred the Strads. This could suggest that it is not a truly better family of instruments, but merely a suggestion based on the great name. They are undeniably great instruments, but they are not unparalleled.
I doubt that it is the same way in tennis, but I also feel like we should be able to make a very good gut facsimile in the next ten or twenty years. I don't know why it seems to be so difficult.
Here's the Wiki page, which references several studies. The conclusion is that Stadivari violins are great, but not at all or substantially greater than other top-end violins.
I know about that test. I play violins myself. but that test was fraught with weaknesses and faulty study design. and even bias had crept into it. so that test is not perfect. Strads really do sound different especially when played in concert hall. I know of story told by Itzak Pearlman. He knew immediately the 1st time he heard Strad being played he was listening to something different, something extraordinary. and he didn't know who or what when he heard this from a far.
I understand that the test is not at all perfect, but it doesn't have to be. The various tests have all had their faults. The strange thing, though, is that it seems to me that bias would be more likely to favor a Stradivarius violin than any other, especially if violinists were the ones testing the different instruments. You say that you play violins, but to me, that would imply a substantial bias towards the Strad anyway! Think, you tell the story of Itzak Pearlman, but did you have a similar experience? Or did someone tell you that Strads have unparalleled sound?
I simply find it strange that three separate studies, one a double-blind, would find that Strads are great, but are not substantially, if it all, better than other violins of top-level quality. I know that no one would ever be able to prove it, but I think there is a high likelihood that violin sound is part truth, part suggestion. As a caveat, I am not a violin player, but I am a musician and have listened to substantial violin literature. Anyway, sorry to derail the thread-- I do want to know why it is so difficult to replicate Gut synthetically with comparable quality.
yea im refering to juniors
Few years ago, by Babolat, I was told that Natural intestines of the cows and making a tennis string from them can make best elastic fibers that a man can make. They said they are yet to find a way to duplicate this natural fiber thru man-made fiber. Intestines are smooth muscles and have great Elastic potential,,,essentially they are another form of Muscle fibers.
and it seem to be impossible with synthetic material to duplicate this form of natural elasticity.
Do you still make revenge and if not whats the most similar altervative
Here you go. It's even on sale.
I know I can still buy it, but do they still make it is my question
It was discontinued for 2013 but some big shops like TW may still have some in stock.
We've got a new line coming in 2014 that fits the space. I've play tested it and was very impressed. We'll have more info and play test application later in the year.
Stopped being made in 2012
It was discontinued in 2012. Many of the large retailers still have some in stock. Call TW!
Don't you think we try?
Synthetic materials can't replicate nature. Yet.
We do not make revenge anymore.
we purchase the gut from farm(s). not sure what the rest of the cow is intended for (leather, meat, etc.)
Pro Hurricane Feel? I'll have to double check with the product team.
Both come in 26 (Aeropro Drive Junior 26 and Pure Drive Roddick Junior 26). they are straight take downs of the adult racquet (same technology, etc.). this makes the transition to an adult frame easier. however, it also means they are more expensive.
if price is an issue, we make cheaper aluminum racquets (as do most brands) in a variety of sizes. double check when purchasing as we sell a variety of 26 in frames that look like the APD and PD 26s but are cheaper because of materials.
we no longer make revenge
I think Babolat make great rackets and have been using them the past 6 years however I purchased a APD recently and I don't like the way the cortex feel. It just sticks out to much and when I cradle the racket I just don't like the feel of the cortex. Is there a way to shave off some of the rubber without damaging the paintjob or scratching the frame?
What if I told you I already found a way ? Can you have Eric Babolat contact me ? I have come up with a way to create a synthetic string that act just like natural gut and yet play even better than gut.
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I see a lot of women with the Pure Storm, but which players use a Pure Storm Tour?
What about gripping over it?
Maybe extend the undergrip or overgrip? With a two hander, I could see how this would be issue.
Harrison, Giraldo (plus), Falla, Chela, Becker, Serra (plus), Alund (plus), Polansky, M Gonzalez (plus), Silva... and a decent amount of the top college players: Jenkins and I believe Blaz Rola (he may be normal Storm with tape).
Women: Michaella Krajicek (used to be top 30, just returning from heart issues this year)
You should patent pending and start making some money.
Babolat official in light of the Pure storm comments which females or men use the normal Pure storm GT ?
Women: Stosur, Pretrova, Ula Radwanska, Parmentier, Vesnina, Kudryavtseva, Giogi
Men: Ginepri (plus), Fernando Gonzalez, (the list needs to be updated) but most men use the Tour
Hey Babolat official, i see in your sig that you string your APD 50lbs. Does your control suffer a bit? I'm looking to switc my APD cortex (60lbs) to the 2013 APD's.
I get more spin, which I feel gives me more control. Once I started stringing full poly low tension, I can't go back. If you generate plenty of racquet head speed, you'll get the spin to keep it in.
Jack Sock currently stringing alu big banger rough at 36 lbs in Aerostorm.
I have a player that has a Pure Storm Tour with the ALU rough at 54. If he goes down to say 48-50 will he be able to "spin" it more? When Sock went down to 36 , where did he start from?
I'm not sure where he started from but he has always strung pretty loose.
You will only get more spin if you have the ability to move the strings with racquet head speed. think of the poll vaulter. If you don't have the technique and skill to bend the poll, you can get over bar.
I would drop to 50 and give it a couple hours of hitting.
Also, curious about why he uses rough string? It is a common fallacy that rough or edged strings give more spin/bite. Spin with poly comes from the strings sliding against themselves and then "snapping back" into place. Thus, you want the smoothest surfaces possible. Think of running your finger over sandpaper vs a glass table. The glass will let your finger slide. The sandpaper (rough), not so much. It’s not the string surface as much as the movement of the string that matters most. RPM is octagonal and coated in silicone for this reason to give two flat surfaces to move against each other. Stringing a littler looser won’t necessary result in huge power gains, as poly is not a elastic material. But letting the string slide more will give you the ability to product more spin. Looser strings will have less control, so finding the right balance for each player is key.
I hope that makes sense.
Sorry for the delayed reply, but thank you.
While you are 100% correct about the way spin works you are not correct that you want two flat surfaces of the same material to rub agains each other. This of course varies from material to material but coef. Of friction is higher since surface area that fiction is being applied is larger.
First rough example (pun intended )there are 7 spots where bottom "string" is touching upper string
While second example touching points are all along the length of contact
Rough example I know but I hope that makes sense...
a have an 8 yr old player almost 5ft tall and 4 in grip size. she's using a wilson 25" thats heavy on the head though she hits and swings hard.
which racquet would you recomend, the 25 or 26?
Two flat silicone surfaces vs two edges?
remember to think in the context of tennis string not simply physics
have her hold the racquet in her hand and let her arm hang all the way down relaxed to her side. the racquet tip should be 1-3 inches from the group. at 5 feet, she may be approaching adult racquets. do you work with a local pro? evaluation in person may prove more effective.
^the tip touches the ground perfectly. she works with a semi pro.
Any more Connect and play info? I'm looking forward to it
I really want to thank Babolat for havin' produced one of the best racquets in the history of tennis (IMHO), the Pure Drive Roddick. It's simply AMAZING, i can't stop playing with this stick
Hi, Got a quick question, I know its been asked to death but wondering whether there has been any more news on Play+Connect? Seems to have gone v quiet on that front...
Thanks in advance
perfect, now go have some fun
We'll have more info 4th quarter
Can't wait - very excited about this actually. Looking forward to my new toy!
Hi one more quesions, you know the black/silver 2000millenium pure drive? Do you have any clear pictures of one available for me to see? Thanks
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