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  1. Ramon

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    I wouldn't put much faith in those TWU power and sweet spot comparisons. There are a lot of obvious discrepancies when you compare racquets. In fact , just look at the default comparison. Does anyone believe that the Wilson BLX Six-One Tour is more powerful and has a bigger sweet spot than the APDGT? I used to use the APDGT, and the power and sweet spot are huge. I switched to the PK Ki 5x, which has one of the highest power and sweet spot ratings on the graph, but I know that both are nowhere near the APDGT, which was actually too powerful for me.
     
  2. Babolat Official

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    We've been analyzing what types of frames are used by different type of players. We decided we needed to create an entire new line of rackets to compliment our offering, similar to that of the Aerostorm. The line will launch in Jan/Feb 2014 with info coming near the end of the year.

    Everyone has different opinions as to which racket is the best (for example, Rafa and I prefer the APD to the AS). We want to offer as many viable options as possible as the game continues to evolve.
     
  3. TennisMD

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    Thanks Ramon, not instigating an argument but appears TWU takes out the player ie swing/ rkt head speed timing etc all of these factors can make an intrinsically less powerful rkt play with more power, so in other words not disagreeing with your own experience, but use TWU for just the rkt itself not the player
    So Daniel any follow up to my questions?
     
  4. Babolat Official

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    already responded, check a couple posts earlier in the thread
     
  5. Lukhas

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    So, I believe the "new" AS is getting a specific mould to further differentiate the frames. I find it logical. In fact, I think that the AD and AS sharing the same colours was an error, since the frames are not really identical. Good change really. I like that Babolat always features extended versions of their frames.
     
  6. Bartelby

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    A new line replacing the Aerostorm seems a good idea to me.

    It might have sold well at TW, but it really didn't take off overall and I didn't think it a preferable alternatiive to either going Storm or going Drive, but that's a hard middle ground to find.

    And I don't think the Aerostorm found it, although I'm sure some preferred it, and hence it didn't really break into a new market for Babolat.
     
  7. TennisMD

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    Sorry missed it a complete answer thanks
     
  8. Rokushio

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    Daniel, first of all as a Babolat user thanks for this space. I think that what Babolat is doing is fantastic and after reading all your replies you seem to be the right guy.

    My question is the following..

    I've been using APD for 4 years and recently I changed to APD+. i string it with RPM team 52lbs. My first week was awesome, the feel, the spin, the power. But after 10~15hs of game I started feeling the string different> Shots and serve landing to long and the feel that the strings were more slippery? and less crisp. The strings totally changed.

    I never understood the affirmation that goes "poly si for quick string breakers" but I has something to do...
     
  9. vvkid

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    is there a new ADP for next year?
     
  10. SFrazeur

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    Really the only time I saw AeroStorms were when the red version priced dropped below $80.
     
  11. Babolat Official

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    Thanks for the kind words. It's fun talking product with people who geek out as much if not more than I do.

    Poly loses tension really quickly. Within hours of stringing it even (without play). I'd guess what you're noticing is the drop in tension. The APD+ packs quite a punch. I'm not sure how long it takes you to play 10-15 hours (as in how many days to log those hours), but the longer the strings are in, the more tension you will lose.

    If you aren't breaking strings every 8-14 hours, you might consider a hybrid. You'll notice a little difference in ball feel vs. the all poly, but if you toy around wit the tension and material of the crosses (I'd suggest Nat Gut if money is no object), you can create a string bed that will maintain it's tension longer.

    I've recently strung one of my APDs with RPM 17 & VS Gut 16 at 50/54. Normally, I break my all RPM 17 (@ 50 lbs) after 8 hours of play. The hybrid is going on 12 hours and seems to have maintained tension really well. I'm still getting used to the difference in feel (less spin, more touch/feel/power). I'll probably keep toying with it. I hit the same hybrid in PS this weekend and preferred it to an all poly, so the frame changes things for me as well.

    I noticed too you said RPM team. That's our softer version of RPM. We have another one called RPM Dual that maintains tension a little better, but plays a little stiffer. A couple of the top college programs have started playing with it. May be worth a try if you want to stick with all poly.
     
  12. Babolat Official

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    Nope. Our rackets are on a 3 year renewal cycle (longest of the big manufacturers, have to plug that when I can). You won't see a new APD until 2016, although there may be some special cosmetics coming before then...
     
  13. Babolat Official

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    Thanks. We hope so. In my opinion it was a great frame but probably warranted it's own family. It really wasn't an APD and it was more progressive than the PS.

    I also think the players attracted to our brand were not looking for "that type" of frame, they were coming for the power, open string pattern, 100 sq in (PD & APD). But as the game continued to evolve, some top players wanted to migrate back towards a more traditional line...just not all the way to the PS. And we really didn't have an answer to that.

    Until the AS. And now the revamped PS for 2014 and our other new line.
     
  14. Power Player

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    Worst thing about Bab sticks like the APD is the electric shock feeling you get when you mishit. It sucks most for players who are 4.5-5.0. I call that level "good enough to be dangerous" because you get to play big hitters, but you are not hitting as clean as a pro. As result, it is easy to mishit heavy spin balls sometimes and the vibrations from the APD are the worst. It is common for internet nerds to say "well, don't mishit", but we all know that happens to the best players.

    I wish you guys would address this. I firmly believe this is one reason why the pros use the old model that rafa has. It is softer and doesn't have cortex (which does not seem to really do anything).

    I say this as a guy who has owned tons of Bab sticks and I really like them. But now that I found a stick that plays similar and does not ever vibrate on mishits, it is a much better experience. Much more confidence is there to attack a heavy incoming ball with a big swing.
     
  15. Babolat Official

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    Our product isn't for everyone. There are a lot of other brands with strong offerings out there, hopefully one of them can address your needs, immediately.

    Thanks for your comments.
     
  16. Babolat Official

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    But yes, I advise not mishitting the ball.
     
  17. Govnor

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    Good stuff right here!!
     
  18. Power Player

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    LOL..I hate you. :twisted:

    But yeah, just some feedback from the front lines on why so many people love these sticks but can't always keep them.

    That was my experience. I have owned 7 APDs over time.

    I have been accused of selling the Black Drives due to my posts about that stick as well..haha. Stiffness and vibes just always got me in the end.
     
  19. Babolat Official

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    it's not for everyone.
     
  20. v-verb

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    I think Babolat makes a great product. I switch between my APD original and my Pro Staff StV, but have tried modern Babs and they are quality sticks.

    As was said, they're not for everyone, but they cover a lot of bases

    Connect n Play please - looking forward to it!
     
  21. Babolat Official

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    The official name is Babolat PLAY. We'll have more info in 4th quarter. Coming soon...
     
  22. guedoguedo

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    if i might ask:
    what version aeropro?
    any weight modifications?
     
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  23. richsox

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    Hi

    You've mentioned a new Pure Storm Line for 2014, yet I thought I saw an earlier statement that babolat would be dropping the Pure Storm line.

    I switch between a PS GT and PD, and really love both sticks. Just lately I am veering more toward the PS GT, for enhancing my control, and feel, in exchange for the free power from the PD....

    I like to think that the PS GT is making me a better player as well, as it drives me more toward using better set up/ and positioning and technique. I currently use Excel at 57 lbs, but usually my string is VS Touch at 57lbs.

    Been using Bab's for 12 years.....demo'ed many others too.....

    Would pay handsomely for a new PD Team (my fav stick of all time)

    What will the new 2014 PS line deliver-any major changes? Will there still be a stick around the 295/300 gram weight?
     
  24. vvkid

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    nice! i'll have enough time to enjoy my ADP!
     
  25. Rokushio

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    Thanks for the quick reply. So once the tension looses(which is pretty quick) I am not getting the benefits of poly. Thats why poly is for quick string breakers.

    I'd like to try the RPM dual but since I live in Argentina we don't have great variety of strings. Barely Blast and Team are entering due to importation restriction.

    I wanted yo ask you what made to drop your tension from arround 60lbs to 50lbs. And what made you chose leather grips?? No overgrip?

    Any special edition planned for the APD+? =)
     
  26. v-verb

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    Thanks - can't wait!
     
  27. brage tennis

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    Babolat Syntec Pro.

    Hey Babolat!
    Is the Babolat syntec pro grip long enough to cover long racket handles? I like my grips wrapped quite loosely so my rips need to be long.
    BTW. I am a big fan of you're strings and accessories!:)
     
  28. dgoran

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    Hey babolatofficial quick question...

    I heard from one of the retailers that aero storm will continue to be produced and sold for eu market is that true?
     
  29. vvkid

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    i was on a sporting shop were i frequent at and i was checking for a new tennis bag and some racquets. while checkin some stuff i over heard this dude sayin that the APD junior 26 (which coincidentally i bought a couple of weeks back) were the only identical thing between the junior APD and its larger bro was its cosmetics only and none of those technologies. is there any truth about that??
     
  30. Boricua

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    Back to APD. And to stay. Strung with Polyfibre TCS yellow 16 gauge at 53 to 55. Great, great string for this racket. And I have tried a few with the APD.
     
  31. YesTennis

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    Just wondering how long the TCS is lasting for you? The reviews say it's relatively soft for a poly/copoly, but complain that it loses tension very quickly. I'm ordering an APD myself, and am struggling to decide what to string it with. I'm a little afraid of full bed poly/copoly.
     
  32. Bartelby

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    Aerostorm line is out. Replaced by a line between storms and drives.



     
  33. Boricua

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    It lasts plenty. I would say about 10 hours of hard hitting but this is quite subjective. But the feel is very good when used in the APD.
     
  34. Babolat Official

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    I play with a 2013 stock frame (size 2) with a leather grip. Although lately I've been going back to the normal one.

    Sock uses the 2012 Aerostorm, note sure on his grip size or weight (but I believe it is customized).
     
  35. Babolat Official

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    There are many who claim to be an authority on our products, I often learn things even the company didn't tell me.

    Aerostorm: gone
    Pure Storm: new line for 2014 (minimal changes, don't have exact specs)
    what I'm calling the hybrid frame: new line for 2014 (can't release details yet)

    No PD teams in stock...
     
  36. Babolat Official

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    I've found the looser the poly is, the more it can move against itself...and the more spin it imparts. Everyone has that range that feels best, mine is 46-50 lbs.

    I use an over grip on top of the leather or stock grip.

    Sadly, we normally don't make special cosmetics of the + versions.
     
  37. Babolat Official

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    There is.

    One of the biggest complaints we got from top coaches was that advanced juniors had to play with take downs of rackets (lower quality, less technology, etc.).

    Traditionally, because kids outgrow frames so fast, most companies feared trying to sell an exact replica of an adult frame, thinking most parents purchase on price point vs. quality for young children.

    We do offer take downs like our competitors (cheaper, lighter, etc.) but the Pure Drive Roddick Jr (26) and Aeropro Drive Jr are simply smaller versions of the adult frames. Thus, when the young players are ready to transition to a 27 in frame, the racket feel and sensations will not be foreign.

    As with our adult frames, we offer less technical racket at lower price points.
     
  38. Babolat Official

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    I had not heard that, but I'm not in the EU market. I'll have to check next time I'm over there.
     
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    APD Junior 26" vs APD adult

    I just purchased an APD Junior 26". Spec-wise, it is 70g lighter and only 1" shorter than the adult version yet nearly half the price. The TW website says that the junior has all the same technology as the adult, but the Babolat website says that the adult is composed of graphite/tungsten while the junior is composed of 100% high-modulus graphite; does this mean the junior doesn't have "GT" technology?

    Being that much lighter, does this mean that less material is used in the junior's production? If that's the case, does this make the frame inferior to the adult version? If not, what is the reason(s) for the difference in price?

    Also, I noticed that Xcel was the recommended string for the junior frame. Is this because the frame is predominantly targeted towards juniors? Is poly not recommended?

    Thanks.
     
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    ^added to that, how about the cortex and other features?
     
  41. Babolat Official

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    We've found that jrs need a lights frame than adults. It does feature GT technology (check out the technology section here: http://www.babolat.com/product/tennis/racket/aeropro-drive-junior-26). I'm not on the product team, but we make adult racquet of different weight (APD, APD Team, APD Lite, etc.).

    We only recommend poly if you break strings every 8-14 hours. For almost all juniors, it is better to use a soft poly or natural gut.
     
  42. Babolat Official

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    GT, Aero frame, Cortex, and Woofer
     
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    Is there somebody I can email and ask?
     
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    great! Im all good though... I think the guy i over heard talkin about this stuff, were still salty :) because i remember him pushing me to get a Dunlop or Yonex? i cant really remember but either way Im not gettin anything other than Babolat :cool:
     
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    I am really excited concerning that new line.
    Do you know if there will be a racket within that line which has decent weight ( 320g-330g unstrung)?

    I am asking because I would have liked to give the APD a go but with around 300 grams it was/is simply too light without heavy customization.
     
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    Babolat Official,

    Is your exact job description to just be on this message board and answer comments/questions pertaining to Babolat? Or do you just make sure to set aside many hours of each day to talk about your personal racquet setups? If it's the former, could you tell me how and why the PR folks at Babolat thought it to be a good idea to air (in the U.S.) that commercial with Nadal and Tsonga hitting out all the lightbulbs in that warehouse with tennis balls, while jamming out to the cool sounds of French pop/rock??

    A piece of advice my brother: become cooler.
     
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    Frame that is currently using Verdasco, right? :D ghgh (i know you'll never answer me :p )
     
  48. Babolat Official

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    In addition to the message boards, I interview athletes, manage our social media content, coordinate athlete appearances at the grand slams and masters events, etc. For a more in depth discussion, feel free to email me. Or I'll buy you a beer if you're at the coming US Open, AO, French or Wimbledon.

    Thanks for the feedback on the brand piece, we'll pass it on to the global marketing team.
     
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    There are a variety of frames ranging from mid 290s to 320 (last I saw).
     
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    Babolat Official would be cooler with an avatar. TW Staff would probably let him have an animated one.
     

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