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  1. Babolat Official

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    it will be a frame that reflects the continuing evolution of the game and meets demands of more players in the skill and game style spectrum.

    and it will be pretty awesome.
     
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    more info end of 2013. release date varies by market. first wave of US should be Jan 2014 with additional model later in the year.
     
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    does it also comes in sz junior 26?
     
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    How is it any different than the old Aero Storm? I thought that line was supposed to be the cross between a player's frame (PST) and modern racquets (APD).

    No matter what I'm excited. I've been using old Pure Storm Teams for over a decade -- the metallic orange and black ones -- since I've never found the newer ones to have the same feel. I think it may be time for an upgrade.
     
  5. Bartelby

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    Does the company see any need for low stiffness racquet ranges, especially in relation to the new range?

    Or does your research show no real benefits or concerns with regard to stiffness?

    Is feel also one of the highest priorities in racquet design?

    Do the players help to define the feel of the racquets and how do they describe the feel they want in a design?

    Big questions I know.



     
  6. d-quik

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    Any updates on the nanoparticles pure drive 92 sq in. Coming out next year?
     
  7. WhereIsMacMac

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    LOL are you actually serious about this?
     
  8. raging

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    I admire your patience in dealing with all the speculation.

    I have been meanwhile experimenting with string/tension in different racquets, PD 107, PD & Aeropro Team.

    Enjoying what I do have rather than getting too
    concerned about what is coming up.

    Works for me:)
     
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    Would it be possible to find out in what order the new rackets will be released and roughly when? I'm looking buy a new one and would like to know how long I'm going to have to wait?

    Eg. New Pure Storm for US Open, followed by Babolat Play for Xmas, followed by the 'new' line for AUS Open?

    Will any pro's be using the 'new' line of rackets? Are there any names we could look out for?

    Thanks.
     
  10. Babolat Official

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    The growing success of the AS was one of the inspirations for this new racket. It fills a void in our offering. It will be a hybrid between what some of our current frames offer.

    There will also be an update to the Pure Storm range.
     
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    For the new line: Through Nov/Dec we'll announce the full range, as half is already produced and the rest are in production based off player feedback (but we will have final specs).

    You may see info on Play before that.

    Pure Storm update will be post Aussie Open.
     
  12. Babolat Official

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    Despite the conspiracy theories, we are not out to destroy arms.

    The range will be more flexible.

    Our priority is to offer the best range of products that help players raise their game to their highest levels. The game is constantly evolving and our product development aims to reflect such changes.

    We play test rackets with: pro players, jrs, teaching pros, amateurs, etc. All of this feedback goes into the design. If you take an objective look at our product line and the criticisms we receive...this new line should reflect much of such feedback.

    Not everyone likes our products. And that is ok.

    Our competitors have a lot of strong offers. Our goal is to offer gear that suits as many game styles, experience levels, and needs as possible. There is no end, but something we are constantly striving for through inspiration and innovation.
     
  13. Babolat Official

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    shhh. top secret.
     
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    what is your current string set up?
     
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    Please can you make these new pure drives and new aeropros with exact same specs as 2012 and 2013 models but make them in 102 sq inches head size ??? 100 is little too small and 105 or 107 is too big. Thank you
     
  16. sureshs

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    Please do NOT make them more than 100.
     
  17. raging

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    Have been stringing 107 with Xcel @58lbs, 100 with Xcel/RPM Blast @54lbs & Aeropro Team with RPM Dual at 54lbs.

    It makes tennis fun, changing between all 3 on a daily basis.

    For what it is worth the PD 107 is still a great racquet for older, classical style: serve/volley players who want to use softer strings, more feel :)
    Very easy on the arm.
     
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    I'll pass on your comments. What benefit are you looking for from those 2 square inches?
     
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    Big fan of the PD107. Can't wait to use it later in my career.
     
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    He's gotta be messing with you... at least I really hope so
     
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    Don't take him seriously, otherwise Babolat will go bankrupt.

    There was once a great poster called Fedace, who had really good ideas, but this guy is not like that.
     
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    Never got a response but i understand busy...
    so according to babolat site they are authorized so why is it missing bar codes?
     
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    Bigger sweet spot and power and control high in the head too
     
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    Yes, well, it wasn't really a question about conspiracies.

    It was about whether there is any research logic behind why companies choose mostly to stiffen racquets.

    i have no great orientation to softer or stiffer racquets, but there is some evidence that players choose far softer racquets than those available.

    I've found no advantages in stiffer racquets, but I'm sure others do. Research seems to indicate only smallish benefits on off centre hits.






     
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    I realise you are responding to Babolat Official but do you mean players are choosing older model racquets that are softer??

    I know there seems to be a bit of fear of stiffer frames in correlation with arm injuries/added vibration etc, particularly on off centre hits.

    I think it may be a lot of factors leading to arm problems: / incorrect strings ,
    and/or stringing,incorrect technique, overuse (overplaying), players physiology(propensity to back & arm injuries).

    Working with juniors playing every day it is sometimes difficult to stop them playing & realise they need to listen to their body & know when to rest.

    Some adult players need to be restrained & retrained as well.:):)

    On a positive note, if Babolat are going to market a softer, more flexible line then this will address the needs of players looking for this feel.
    That can only be applauded.
     
  26. WhereIsMacMac

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    I sent you an email regarding the babolat pure drive 2012. Hope you'll be able to answer my query
     
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    The whole stiffness causes injury issue does not worry me and given that stiffness is not that important for power, I'm curious as to why it's built into a lot of newer racquets. I don't think the science leads to this outcome.

    Presumably consumer preferences alone dictate these decisions.

    I have an original Pure Drive without the woofer grommets and it has a stiffness of 67 and, more generally, I've never found that a stiffness level much above 65-67 adds anything to a racquet.



     
  28. WhereIsMacMac

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    have you tried the 2012 pure drive though, it has a stiffness of 72
     
  29. Babolat Official

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    I can't speak for the other companies...

    Stiffer rackets usually mean more power. And with the evolution of the game, more and more people want more power from their frames. We're trying to address the needs of all players, and our entire product mix for 2014 will reflect another step in this direction.
     
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    Any tips on strings to help make a PD/APD racquet more arm-friendly? I love those racquets, but I was testing them out with synthetic gut and my arm got so sore that it was almost unbearable. Given that I normally use uber stiff strings (kevlar), I don't think even stringing my setup at a super low tension will help much (or could it?).
     
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    just got back to you, thanks for the note
     
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    If anyone is at Cincy today (Thursday), stop by the Fast Serve Cage today at 3 PM. I'll be there and you can watch Jack Sock hit some big serves.
     
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    Yes, well, the correlation between racquet stiffness and power is just not there. Power varies with swingweight for any given racquet length with stiffness having a small effect on off centre hits and stability.

    So if Babolat racquets have had power it's because the swingweight has been high, which in my experience has been the case although the recent iterations of the drive and the aeropro drive have less swingweight.

    I'm sure you can't speak for other companies, but the way companies copy each other makes one think they talk a lot about each other. There do seem to be fashion trends in tennis equipment.



     
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    "Racquet stiffness has no effect on power when the ball is struck in the middle of the strings, but stiff racquets are more powerful when the ball is struck nearer the tip of the racquet"
    -- Rod Cross, Chapter 14, Racquet Power, The Physics And Technology Of Tennis.
     
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    I did the same test drakulie did with radar gun and 30 different racquets ranging from 51 stifness to 73 and velocity was the same no matter the stick, did it feel different...yes ...was it faster NO,
     
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    Have you tried a higher end, softer string like VS Gut 1.30 (16g)? It's expensive but nothing is better for the arm.
     
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    All things being equal, a stiffer version of a frame will have more power than the exact same racket with a more flexible frame. Think about throwing a tennis ball against a brick wall and a wall made of sponge. Which will the ball come off of with more power.

    Yes, there are many factors that go into determining the power of a racket.

    I'm not sure it is copying each other as making changes that reflect the evolution of the game and consumer needs. Babolat popularized the "tweener" racquet (stiffer, large frame, wide beach, open string pattern) with the Pure Drive...many companies made models similar. Whether to copy the success or address the needs of consumers; almost a chicken/egg argument.

    Likewise, the growing popularity of Blade/Speed/Aerostorm type frame is something most companies are considering.
     
  38. Babolat Official

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    I haven't read this particular book. But I also don't hit it in the exact center of the strings every time. And is the middle of the strings the sweet spot or the center of the strings? If you look at most top pros, they aren't in the exact center every time...food for thought.

    I'm not sure what answer you're looking for here. By no means am I a scientist. If this is something you really need to investigate, send me an email and I'll forward it to the product team.
     
  39. Babolat Official

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    I'm impressed you found 30 frames where every variable was perfectly replicated and static except for the frame stiffness.
     
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    Long story short but I could give Roman (****) run for his money if I decide to go in to racquet customizing. Lets just say that's my hobby(read obsession)

    But no, if we take common assumption power=speed(most people equate power with the speed of the ball) than with increase in RDC you do not gain any power(speed) at all.

    With all due respect to your marketing department (and don't get me wrong I am a fan... I own or owned nearly every advanced Babolat Product starting from Pure Drive 2nd gen through Pure Controls, First storms and aeros to new cortex and ac stuff) they are full of it. :)

    Thay are not the only one its industry wide issue...
     
  41. Babolat Official

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    You should do it! We hook up Roman, Nate, etc. with new products before anyone else. It's a cool side of the business and a fun way to stay around the sport.
     
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    @dan: speaking of early hook-ups, would be sweet if you could let me know about the babolat play system. I write quite a bit about startups/tech/marketing and I anticipate it being as cool an innovation as the nike fuel bands in terms of quantifying the game. you got my email address
     
  43. Bartelby

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    Yes, well, the question is whether there is any science to racquet design and whether that science is good science.

    I was surprised that racquet stiffness is not that great a determinant of power as I thought it might be and that's changed my racquet preferences.

    Slippery copoly strings and spin production had been known for a while before string manufacturers started trying to 'copy' alu power and then we had the idea of fewer cross strings by Wilson to be 'copied' by Prince.

    To return to stiffness, you can read the latest TW reviews that say things like the Extreme Pro is really stiff but with the soft grommets it feels really plush;: the Volkl 7's have stiffness well into the mid 70s but they are reported to feel soft.

    And Babolat's Woofer and Cortex technologies soften feel as well.

    Stiffness doesn't cause me arm problems but the benefit seems low, as discerned by the science, and the need to soften the feel of stiff racquets seems like a cure for a disease we don't need to have.

    I'm not quite sure what I'd work on if I were a racquet designer, but guaranteed swingweights points for racquet lines would be one very unglamorous if objective element as would be graduated stiffness ratings.



     
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    Were you inside the MW sports tent at all today? I was in around 4 or 5 and was asking some is the reps inside about information on the Pure Stryke and the Pure Storm (Control) for 2014. Unfortunately they did their job and didnt give me any info or act like there was any information to be given...
     
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    Apparently it's not to be called Pure Stryke. I'm hoping for Pure Control to make a return.



     
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    You dont need to be scientist to undertand very basics of physics. The more stiffness the less energy loss in deformation. It is 100% clear that stiffer frame will transfer more kinetic energy into ball than wet noodle...
     
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    Can we understand it that Babolat gave up "olschool players frame" market segment?
     
  48. Bartelby

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    Remember when Galileo chucked that stuff off the tower?



     
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    So, Rafa vs Fed today....
     
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    We have our team working in the tent...they're legit. I'm off to NY.
     

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