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  1. Bdarb

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    Interesting post. I've been trying to play my racquets without dampeners but I just can't help feeling it does alter the overall feel not just the sound produced. Maybe it's in my head.

    To bring this back to babolat, I definitely like the newer square design of the dampeners, they stay in better. I wish they both came with the center bb peice though.
     
  2. Torres

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    Of course its not necessary. It's just a very shallow cut out for the plastic piece to fit into - under the guise of marketing. For 'Daniel / Babolat Official' to say that it improves the racquet's control is completely laughable. It's a marketing 'feature' (some would say gimmick).
     
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  3. colan5934

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    Daniel, I apologize if this has been asked in the past. Is the storm line being significantly updated when it receives a makeover next year? My current frames are 4-5 years old and on their last leg. I'm wondering if the updated versions will be drastically different than the current model, basically. I enjoy them as they are now, but if there's going to be changes made, I may have to check out the new ones and update. Also, am I correct when I remember the release date being sometime in January of 2014?
     
  4. sundaypunch

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    If you look over this thread, it answers all of your questions.
     
  5. Bdarb

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    and the storm line is gone.
     
  6. Bartelby

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    It's supposd to be a meterial that improves control only through better feel, but the small divot and the 'plastic' may play a role.

    They've switched the shape from convex to concave with the change in the inner structure of the grip.

    My science was undertaken too long ago but waves, barriers, their shape and how it re-directs a wave were all there in the books they made me read.



     
  7. Bartelby

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    It may have been simply renamed because Strike is less control oriented than the old Storm line, so it will be interesting to see how extenisve it is reworked.



     
  8. Nostradamus

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    is this better than 2012 pure drives ?
     
  9. arche3

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    But the fact is the feature changes the feel of the frame. I have hit with my old APD cortex. With the cortex ripped off. I wanted to see how it was applied. It did change the feel of the frame without it. Better control? I'm not sure. But control and feel are so closely intertwined it could very well alter the feel of the frame enough to give a player better control. Just like some strings offer a feel a player prefers and they get better control.
     
  10. MikeHitsHard93

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    Lmao you're asking a babolat rep if his new product is going to be better than his old product? Of course he's going to say yes! Smh:shock:
     
  11. Lukhas

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    Except it isn't an "old product". It's a different line. So the question is not any good to begin with since they're not from the same line and don't aim for the same market.
     
  12. Torres

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    It's all in your mind.

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  13. arche3

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    So your saying racket frame dimensions have no bearing on the feel of a frame? Why does a wilson steam feel different than a k90? Or a PDR feel slightly different than a APDGT? I have actually played the racket with and without the cortex thing attached. The added mass of the cortex wrap(couple grams?) simply damped the frame I belive. Why do you play different strings? I am sure its because a slight difference in string gauge makes no difference. Or why does a new racket feel different to you? I am sure it is all in your mind. You have a real ability to declare something is not valid because you dislike any sort of marketing. but you don't actually try any of these things you deny. But of course some tennis strings you SWEAR up and down gives you more spin. Yeah its not in your mind and marketing hype. Your really getting super spin from that super spin string.

    What about the GT material in babolat rackets? Is that a marketing gimmick too? Or is the kevlar a gimmick in wilsons? Both materials change the feel of a frame. A change of racket cross section will change the feel of a frame. What is so hard to understand? Maybe if they claimed more spin you would believe it?

    If the APD had a smooth shaft into the handle it would feel significantly different.
     
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  14. Torres

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    You are a marketing man's dream.
     
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    I did not imply the cortex added anything to the racket. In fact I posted I did not know if it added any control or not. I simply stated it felt different when it was removed. How is this related to marketing?

    Are you able to actually have a real discussion without resorting to ridiculing me? Or maybe refute my points? That would make too much sense. Easier to ignore my arguments and call names.

    As far as I see your the one constantly trying new strings and rackets looking for more control or power or whatever. Maybe take your own advice. Its not the gear. Its all in your head.
     
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    Torres likes pretty blue Juice racquets so it all depends on what part of the marketing appeals to which particular person.

    He has made no science based argument about the technology and very few are in a position to do so.

    The fact is that most of the main manufacturers utilise a throat or grip technology to enhance the feel of the racquet.

    Very few probably choose a racquet based on this dimension.



     
  17. Babolat Official

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    thanks, appreciate your feedback
     
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    Just giving my feedback on how the new frame plays in my hands compared to the old one. Maybe you've experienced different sensations. Most people I've talk to and played with are of my opinion, but yes, largely a subjective generalization
     
  19. Babolat Official

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    Storm line is completely updated for 2014. Will not be a huge change. Just incorporating some of the feedback from various consumer groups (yes, including some of you).

    New hybrid line also coming 2014. Depends on your market for exact release dates. Where do you live?
     
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    That is completely subjective to the user. It's a new frame that will give players more options to use our brand. Some people might like it. Some people won't. We're for profit so I'm hoping a lot do.
     
  21. Babolat Official

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    Disagree. It's a completely different line than the Pure Drive. Most Pure Drive players probably won't like it.
     
  22. Babolat Official

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    Sorry, that is from 2006. Outdated technology ;).
     
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    As I spend more time on here...this is asking a lot. But good luck.
     
  24. Babolat Official

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    You know the cortex system is about 1 to 1.5 inches lower on the handle, right?
     
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    that the cortex system is actually in the handle, and that the plastic piece on the throat is just a cosmetic addition to demonstrate it's presence in the racket. Daniel goes through more of the details on an earlier page if you're interested
     
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    Hey Daniel,

    Do you have any advice on how to custom string the PSLTD for a more open pattern, or a good link to find out how?
     
  27. Bdarb

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    I don't see how someone who has tried a racquet with and without this technology can say it does nothing?? I dislike it, but it certainly is different. Common sense and any sort of knowledge about how a racquet works would dictate that obviously changing the composition in a place like this is going to alter how the racquet feels to you.


    Those damned big wigs and there damned marketing!! grrr! lol
     
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    Thanks for all the info. Disappointing though to hear that it's not being offered in a plus version. One of the great things about Babolat is the availability of stock 27.5" versions of the various lines, I hope you're not moving away from that. I play at one of the big tennis clubs in Dallas, and see many many people using the plus versions of the Pure Storm, Pure Drive and AeroPro Drive so there still seems to be a market (at least here) for the longer length models.
     
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    It's not technology. It's just a plastic ring glued on to the outside of the racquet. I've pulled the plastic V off the APDC and have done the same with the flat plastic piece on the 2013 APDC. You're not missing out on anything.

    And as we all know, Nadal's sticks do not have Cortex. I guess he doesn't think much of a piece of glued on plastic....
     
  30. arche3

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    The point is the change in shape at the top of handle changes the racket. The little change in cross section changes it. Nadal probably did not like the damped feel.

    There is a difference as you stated . nadal does not use it.

    And the difference some players like. You blindly saying it does nothing is plainly wrong.
     
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    Not in million years could an APDC be described as having an damped feel. It's about as stiff and direct in terms of feedback as you can possibly get.
     
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    I've played back to back the original APD against the apdc. The cortex yellow model is more damped than the nadal version. The nadal old one has a more direct feel in hand. Please remember we are talking about the nadal racket vs the cortex and gt models. I don't have the new one.
     
  33. Bdarb

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    I said I didn't like it either, doesn't mean it doesn't feel different. Why so butthurt?
     
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    I live in the US. Hybrid line is the strike, no? I'm looking at a plus model, so that's why I'm not too interested in them. They look like they're worth a shot too, though.
     
  35. Babolat Official

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    Hey, someone who listens! Merci.
     
  36. Babolat Official

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    No + for the new line. The Storm update will be late Jan or Feb.
     
  37. Bartelby

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    I'm sure the material is in the handle but there is probably a reason for the plastic piece other than the cosmetic one.

    You only have to sit in a concert hall and look at the ceiling to see the elaborate carpentry put in place to make sound waves resonate to realise that vibrations would change when they hit obstacles.
     
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    To Daniel,
    I know this may seem a little off topic, but is it true that Del Potro will be switching to babolat and endorsing this new pure strike? Any info you can give on the subject would be appreciated, thanks!
     
  39. Babolat Official

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    Not off topic at all!

    I wish this was true. If it is in the works, it is above my pay grade.
     
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    2013 APD stringing suggestions

    I am playing very well with my new APD but I hit over 1000 balls a week with it and I play old-man-doubles (4.0) three times a week. I worry about my 67 year old elbow getting tendinitis. Right now I am using Pacific Natural Gut at 54lbs. in the crosses for comfort and Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge in the mains @ 52 pounds for spin access. It is working beautifully but my elbow is whispering to me. I would like to find a combination WITHOUT the use of Poly(pain) or Gut(expense) that will be comfortable on my arm and let me get some good spin....capisce? It can be a hybrid or full bed if there is something available that will accomplish both aims. Thanks for your help in advance.
     
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    Hmm... I know you don't want to use poly, but you should probably string it at a lower tension (possibly in the mid to low 40s).
     
  42. Babolat Official

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    Dropping the tension will help.

    Nothing is better for your arm than all Gut. You could also try the reverse hybrid with Gut in the mains.

    For every advantage, there is a disadvantage. Poly provides the most access to spin, but loses tension and is tougher on the body. Gut is the most lively, has the best feel and tension hold, but is not the most durable. You need to pick what you want to accentuate and what you are willing to sacrifice, and experiment from there.
     
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    Hi Daniel!

    Could you please clarify some confusing preliminary info for me? The Storm line (and name) will be or not discontinued? Strike is just an addition or a replacement to the Storm line?

    I'm asking this as a Storm user since its appearance :)
     
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    When are the 2014s being dropped? I'm in the market for a new racquet, but maybe I will wait until the new Babolats hit before I buy something...
     
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    Good job!

    Yes, reading skills somehow leave a bit to be desired but I'm sure you get used to that in social media. Everyone seems so busy with their own point of view.
    Torres is obviously biased or has his own point of view on cortex, I only know what I feel & that is definitely muted by cortex .
    Playing with the Pure Strike has made that even more apparent what a cross with a conventional box beam & a more tapered frame will do.
    It is a solid frame & Imho will be a winner for Babolat.
     
  46. Babolat Official

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    USA: January for new hybrid line. February for new Pure Storms.
     
  47. Babolat Official

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    3 racquet lines:

    Babolat Play
    new hyrbid line
    Pure Storm update
     
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    Any ideas on UK & Europe releases, are they likely to be around the same time?
    TIA
     
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    I don't care about the Strike. I just want a pair of new Pure Storm Team. Any info about this line, specs, color scheme...? Please...?
     
  50. Bartelby

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    How do you expect to get official information long before the official release date?



     

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