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  1. McLovin

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    This is what is referred to as 'painting with broad strokes'.

    There aren't "a lot of people ...that do not like Babolat". Most people do not have feelings either way for a particular company in general. In fact, from what I've seen at my club, USTA tournaments & leagues, and local high schools, Babolat is one of the most popular frames.

    However, there are a very vocal group of people on TT that long for "the good 'ol days" of heavy, thin beam, midsized racquets, and blame Babolat for today's power game (and as such, the demise of serve & volley tennis). But the irony of it is that Wilson, the company most Babolat haters worship, revolutionized the power game with the Profile 2.7 25 years ago. Babolat just seems to have capitalized on it by developing a couple of good frames (PD/APD) and sponsoring players who appeal to the younger crowd.
     
  2. TimothyO

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    I must agree with McLovin.

    At a recent ITF juniors tournament here in Atlanta Babolat frames were everywhere. Wilson was a close second in popularity. Prince was an extremely distant and rapidly fading third. And beyond that you wouldn't think there was another racquet manufacturer out there. I saw a few Yonex and one Dunlop.

    I see the same thing at our club. Among hardcore, higher level male players I see lots of Babolat. Same for hardcore ladies. Beyond that I see a mishmash of old Princes and old Wilsons among older players returning to the sport.

    Here on TT it seems almost chic to diss Babolat, perhaps since it IS so popular, especially the APD and PD.

    Personally, I'm neutral towards Babolat. I do find their Pure Drive and APD lines too harsh. And their manufacturing standards are lacking compared to companies such as Dunlop. A while back I used the PSLGT and it was a nightmare trying to find two that were anywhere close to one another in spec (Head and Wilson have similar problems).

    When I bought my current three Pure Storm GTs one was warped and had to be returned to TW (also had a warped Head frame once). I didn't even bother trying to buy matched frames this time as I knew I'd be modding them with enough slack to get them matched and didn't want the headaches. Happily they turned out pretty close to each other.

    They do seem to be smart business people. Their latest ad campaign and website are perfect for the 360/PS3 generation. They know pros often set their frame preferences as juniors. Capture a ton of junior players and you might snag the next Nadal, Federer, or Djoker which will enable you to sell even more frames to rec players. They're definitely taking the long view. And it won't hurt to appeal to the youthful fantasies of we middle aged players. I see lots of middle aged guys with love handles wielding their APDs like Nadal-wannabes.
     
  3. Babolat Official

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    Sorry, there will be no Aerostorm in 2013. Stock up now.
     
  4. Geology_Rocks!

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    Well, I don't dislike Babolat.

    It's just that if I'm paying 200 bucks for a frame I expect it to have the advertised specs. Putting a Babolat or a Wilson on top of a scale is like asking the frame to surprise you. (Yes, I use Dunlops)

    The thing is, they do have great marketing and they have Nadal. The frame they tell people that Nadal uses is actually a good frame for beginners and intermediate players(all TE issues aside), while Wilson has Federer advertising a frame that a beginner should never touch. So yeah, Babolat selling more to the weekend warriors is not a big surprise.
     
  5. Babolat Official

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    It you read the tennis industry reports...people really like Babolat in the US (if you equate sales numbers to consumer preference).

    We're always working on our product mix as the game evolves and players demand new technologies and innovation.
     
  6. BigBanger007

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    Does the active cortex in the babolat aeropro 2013 help reduce that stiffness feeling in the previous aero pro drive?
     
  7. Babolat Official

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    Have you watched the guy play? From the pre-point routines to his water bottles being in the right spot.
     
  8. Babolat Official

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    That was the goal. And I thought it helped. Many people will debate the merit of the cortex. Best bet is to try it out for yourself.
     
  9. Boricua

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    I'm betting. Can''t demo so I wil open my wallet, buy the darn racket and bet. Hope its good:)
     
  10. Babolat Official

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    1. No VS Team in black for 2013
    2. RPM Dual (see pics on babolat.com) is black/silver mixed
    3. I forward suggestions and product sentiment to the respective product teams
     
  11. BigBanger007

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    Defo going to. I thought the earlier version was a beast especially on serves and I was surprised being able to find good angles on both sides during a doubles tournament match. But it was strung with solinco tour bite and my shoulder was screaming after the match adrenaline left. Hopefully there are soft poly's out there that I could get used to with this racquet. And thank you for the reply :)
     
  12. Boricua

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    Can you explain the difference between RPM Dual and RPM Blast in terms of softness, power level, tension maintenance and spin? Thanks.
     
  13. zapvor

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    i have to agree with this. i think more money should go into product quality and less on marketing dollars
     
  14. Babolat Official

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    Have fun out there. If you aren't breaking your strings every 8-14 hours, you might want to try a hybrid. Much easier on the body. Have fun out there!
     
  15. boeitmeniks

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    Guys read my review on dual and apd 13 on this board, racquet form!
     
  16. Babolat Official

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    In October, I had two racquets strung up exactly the same (48 lbs in new APD) with RPM Blast and RPM Dual 16 (only gauge we had in office).

    RPM Blast had more power & more spin but seemed less durable and lost tension quicker (played about 15 hours, didn't break but deep grooves at burn point).

    RPM Dual felt stiffer but held tension better and did not break.

    I will be sticking with RPM Blast until I can test the 17.

    That said, one of the guys in the office who played at USC (Trojans) preferred the Dual...but he prefers Pro Hurricane Tour over RPM Blast.

    Our master stinger in the office did a test where he strung two Pure Storm Limiteds, one with RPM Blast and one with RPM Dual. He let them sit for a week and using his "Beers ERT" he found the DT (dynamic tension?) dropped 4.5% on Dual and 9.1% on Blast. The caveat is this was one test and not part of the official Babolat lab...but we're tennis junkies so we wanted to see what would happen.

    Hope that helps.
     
  17. Babolat Official

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    I'll forward your comments on to the team in France.
     
  18. boeitmeniks

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    Really daniel
    I thought it was softer, had more power and spin
    Huh
    I did play with 17 gage though with VS Team and VS Touch, will there be a 18 gauge, that would be yummy!
     
  19. Boricua

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    Polyfibre TCS is a good string for the APD. The softest there is but string weekly if you play at least three times a week.
     
  20. db379

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    you and Daniel are going to be best friends ;-)
     
  21. boeitmeniks

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    But Daniel, will RPM Dual be in 18 gauge and please try 17 gauge, i had a test again, dual 17 and blast 17 both at 53 lbs in APD 2013! I really think dual is softer, more power and spin and even control!
     
  22. Boricua

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    Remenber he uses full poly and you use gut/poly.
     
  23. boeitmeniks

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    I know, I'll also tried full poly, more power, more spin, same control, a tad softer and twice, almost gut like, tension hold.
     
  24. Babolat Official

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    Different strokes for different folks. I won't be switching to it but some people like it.
     
  25. Babolat Official

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    I tried the 16. Will try the 17 when we get in the US office.

    RPM Dual only comes in 16 & 17 for 2013.
     
  26. boeitmeniks

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    Shame! Any plans for new colours. Full black!
    I love RPM Dual 17, I'm an open player, I live in NL and am Belgian. I have a serve clocked at 120 mph, my best, a double handed backhand, a semi-western grip forehand and play a lot of slice and s&a as well as attacking baseliner. I love playing grinders because then I attack the net.
     
  27. Babolat Official

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    No new colors planned for 2013. Glad you like the product. Stay aggressive out there.
     
  28. tistrapukcipeht

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    Interesting thread.

    I find very funny people saying about the quality of their racquets, saying to invest money in product quality/quality control, more flexible racquets, more arm friendly, but at the end to me it's the most stupid thing I hear, you know why??

    1- Babolat isn't forcing you (complainers) to buy their crappy racquets.

    2- Babolat is still the best selling racquets as many have pointed out, so why would they try to fix something isn't broken, in other words, why would they make changes in their racquets if they are still best seller, I guess people like it, right?

    If you don't like their racquets, and I don't really care about it, buy something else, I hope they continue to make the same racquets with different paint and the idiots keep buying their cheap low quality racquets, if you want to play with their racquets it's your choice, suck it up, don't complain.

    As long as Nadal keep playing with it, they will sell millions of horrible racquets to Nadal kids.
     
  29. Winners or Errors

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    I just don't buy the "Babolat makes junk" line. My team is all old guys. They almost all play Babolat. No one has arm problems, and they aren't playing Pure Storms. They're all playing APDs or Pure Drives.

    There is a reason Babolat is #1 right now. I don't play with them, but I'm tempted to try. Right now, I'm just too used to softer flexes and smaller heads, but if someone gave me a couple of Babolats to try I'd probably give it a shot and try to find a tension/string that'd work. They are pretty tempting.

    By the way, no one on my team complains about quality either.
     
  30. Babolat Official

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    I take it you're not a fan of our brand. Totally fine...but let's keep this thread to questions, discussion, and information (if you don't mind). There are plenty of other threads pontificating on Babolat's evil and reckless motivations.

    Happy hitting,

    Daniel
     
  31. Rock Strongo

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    Daniel, since I can't sleep anyway and I'm reading this thread, how did the doubles go yesterday?
     
  32. v-verb

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    I play old Prince POGs and Borons. I have a Babolat Pure Drive and it's an excellent racquet, quite an eye opener really.

    For some odd reason I like my oldies better but seriously Babolat makes an excellent product - no need to down talk them.

    I do use Babolat RPM Team 17 in my racquets, strung in the 40 lb range. I really like the string and am looking forward to trying the RPM Dual
     
  33. Fuji

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    Exactly what's wrong the Aeropro Drive? You seem to have a real dislike for it. :razz:

    -Fuji
     
  34. Bartelby

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    Is there any Babolat research on how the woofer system works when a racquet is strung at:

    a) 35 pounds

    b) 55 pounds
     
  35. Boricua

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    I agree. And by the way I am trading in my two Vcore 97 for two 2013 APDs.
     
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  36. tistrapukcipeht

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    I don't really care about Babolat racquets, though I have only tried the Aeropro drive, the older one, earlier version of this 2013 one and the pure drive 2012, after I demoed I pretty much erased Babolat racquets off my list.

    Strings are very good, I used Pro Hurricane Tour, then Babolat RPM Blast for a good time, had always used VS Touch in hybrids, this winter I'm going to Wilson, since most don't like the new BT7, and say the Wilson is the older VS, so obviously I have experienced Babolat products before, but I can admit after I joined this forum I learned and heard many things, that also lead me to dislike Babolat more, apart of me not liking the racquets first and foremost, I don't care what people use, but to me it's low quality, at least compared to the ones I use, so good luck to you and the thread.
    As far as playing, in my opinion here is what i found:

    - with the same stiffness as my current racquet it is a hell lot stiffer than mine.

    - having the same weight as my current racquet, it is very unstable, vibrates a lot, unlike the racquet I use.

    - It feels hollow and lacks accuracy when compared to my racquet.

    - grip is horrible (but this is personal preference), so i'd never play with racquet because of the grip shape nor the throat design, it just feels really weird too.

    As far as quality, Drakulie can give you an entire list of problems.

    Anyway, I was actually defending Babolat towards the ones who complain about it, obviously I'm not complaining about it because Babolat makes no difference to me, I don't spend anything on their products anymore.:)
     
  37. mrmo1115

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    Thanks for your response Daniel! I really appreciate your opinion :)
    My current tension is 56 mains 58 crosses (PHT/VS)
    I've bounced around from as high as 57/59 to as low as 55/57... nothing significantly different from my current tension! I believe I used to have a 3 pound differential at one time with my mains and crosses... so I had tensions of 55/58 and 56/59 before.
    My racquet is the Pure Storm Tour GT and its 98 sq and 16x20!
     
  38. v-verb

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    Shows how different racquets appeal to different people. I see you use Yonex racquets from your sig.

    The best thing I can say about the several Yonex's I've tried is that I find them unplayable. You like them as do many others so that's great. You won't find me on a Yonex thread outlining my unfavorable experiences.

    This is a thread started by a Babolat rep giving people who use and are curious about Babolats a chance to discuss and get info about Babolats.

    Although I don't use Babolats and will sell the one I own soon, I think it's commendable of Babolat to have this avenue of communication.
     
  39. Boricua

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    I have bought and used Yonex Rdis 100, 200, 300, vcore 100, 98 and 97. I have used Pure Drive Roddick 2007 version, APD Cortex and 2010 GT. So, I have a reference to compare Yonex and Babolat. RDIS 100 mp is a good racket, the other Yonex models I did not like too much for different reasons.
    Yonex has less vibrations and feels more solid. That is why I have insisted so much on them. They build nice, solid rackets. But, and this is a big but, the APD with its ocassional vibrations and smaller sweetspot, is a racket that molds better to my strokes and topspin style of play. I can hit my strokes more comfortably with the APD than with Yonex. And, you can enhance feel by using gut or any soft copoly or hybrid.
    So maybe Yonex has better quality and looks meaner in my hand, but when I hit my forehand the APD is better for me. Serves, Yonex is better. But, I rely alot on loopy, agressive topspin, racket speed and power and APD is better for me. So, its all relative, what's junk for you is a diamond for me. And, I admit that at times I have been a bit mad at the APD for not having the solidness of the Yonex.
    So, one weighs the pros and cons and decide what racket to use. For now, for me, its the 2013 APD and will also get a Volkl V1 Classic to get a softer backup racket in case I want to rest my arm for a few days.
     
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  40. drakulie

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    No offense, but RPM loses that amount of tension in the first 30 minutes. No need to wait a week. I've done the same test numerous times, with a ERT and Babolat RDC, including doing it at the shop I work at in front of a customer who didn't believe me when I said the string can't hold tension, and could drop up to 10 lbs in that time.

    Anyways, welcome to the boards. Nice to have a rep being active.

    Edit: Could you give us any information on the new babolat stringing machine being worked on? Thanks in advance.
     
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    What do you mean by "mean making it flush " ? it´s just a sticker or that part of the frame or is suposed to be a continuous smooth surface without tangency break .

    Anyway, to the people who complains about babolat´s hollow, stiff and powerful rackets reputation I advice them to check the Pure Storm line.
    The Pure Drives and Aero Pro are the most recognizable and emblematic products but the Pure Storms are really nice traditional feeling rackets.


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  42. Mick

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    perhaps some people are unhappy with Babolat racquets because they were unlucky and received the fake ones. I have the APD and AST and they play great.
     
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    Hey Mick, I got another classic , I´ll post a picture later on my thread and then you can show me 10 NOS of your collection :)
     
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    Okey dokey but I have slowed down a lot in racquet purchasing the past few years :)
     
  45. Roger Wawrinka

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    Welcome to the thread babolat official! I have two questions for you:) 1. On rafa's racquets it says his name on the throat, Jo Tsonga has a symbol on the same location but what is it and what does the symbol mean?

    2. I am a fan of Tecnifibre racquets (sorry;)) but a fan of both babolat and tecnifibre strings, so I get the best of both french tennis worlds! Anyways, I was wondering which is more popular in France and in Europe? I was also wondering if there is a big rivalry between the two company's?


    R.W
     
  46. julian

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    16 gauge

    Is it OK to ask whether your test was done for 16 gauge?
     
  47. Babolat Official

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    Not my best performance. Served well and had a decent day at the net...but my return game was abysmal at best. If they find my backhand and I'm not confident stepping in and coming over it (which is usually the case), things go downhill quickly.
     
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    You say "Continuous smooth surface without tangency break," I say flush.
     
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    I would second that!

    On a happy note my three Pure Storm GTs (2009 colors) that I just purchased from TW came in within 1g of each other (two were precisely the same!!!) and within fractions of a point in balance. I was shocked, shoCKED, SHOCKED given my previous experience with Babolat specifically and racquets in general. Those numbers are better than I've had with Dunlop.
     
  50. Babolat Official

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    1. Jo has a custom logo. It is "J" "W" "T" (his initials) put together.

    2. That's fine. They make some great products. I used Pro Red Code for a long time. The tennis industry in Europe does not publish the same sell through numbers (or at least they are not readily available to me). I know the Technifibre guys, they are cool. And they sponsor Denis Kudla, one of my favorite young American players.
     

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