Borg on the Blackrock

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  1. hoosierbr

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    In today's podcast Bjorn Borg announces he'll be returning to the Blackrock Tour of Champions starting in Algarve, Portugal next week and hopes to get in "a few more matches with John McEnroe."

    Should be great fun and entertainment. The tour has expanded to Brazil this year.

    Note to self: get to London for the Masters in December.

    http://www.blackrocktourofchampions.com/1/default.asp
     
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    First Blackrock, then Wimbledon, then world, then Sopot.
     
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    Im going to Vale do Lobo Grand Champions. 5 days so i can see my Hero. The Ice-Borg... (yes... i am Portuguese)
     
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    Thomas Muster remembers hitting a ball against a wall as a child, fantasising that he was playing against the great Bjorn Borg.

    On Wednesday night, at the BlackRock Tour of Champions event in the Algarve, Portugal, his dream became a reality as they met on a match-court for the very first time.

    Muster won 6-4, 3-6, 10-7 (on a Champions’ Tie-Break) to keep his hopes of a final spot alive, but it was the freshness in the legs of the 51-year-old Borg, the snappiness of his ground-strokes and his sheer will-to-win that really caught the eye.

    For his own part, Muster needed to go flat out to keep his nose in front, and afterwards he paid tribute to a man he had idolised while growing up in Austria.

    “When I started to play tennis, Borg was almost unbeatable, and he was so cool. I would hit against the wall and imagine that I was playing against him,” said Muster.

    “To play him, for me, is how a young musician must have felt if he got the chance to play in a band alongside John Lennon. It was awesome. He’s still a great player – I don’t think people expect him to still be this quick and this good. He is also a very nice person, a funny guy, and not the ice-cold person that people think.”

    The two former French Open champions illustrated their intentions early on, engaging in an aging 40-stroke rally in the third game as Muster took a 2-1 advantage, with all three games going against the serve.

    The Austrian served out for the set 6-4, but then watched almost helplessly as Borg began to step inside the baseline, take his returns early and hit a succession of winners in the second set.

    The Swede broke for 5-3 and then served out for the set.

    In the Champions’ Tie-Break, Muster appeared to be comfortable while serving at 8-4, but Borg reeled off three points in a row with some sensational returns.

    A packed crowd went into a frenzy as Borg tried to force his way ahead for the first time, but Muster stood firm and sealed the tie-break 10-7.

    http://www.blackrocktourofchampions.com/5/news/2007/algarve2.asp
     
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    Borg was the one guy you just could never bring yourself to root against. After 30 years, it's still true. And, he remains one of the guys that the fans miss in the game the most.
     
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    And so it was... there i was, seing the accurately described game (thks Moose) havig terrible goose bumps due to my happyness.
     
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  7. Moose Malloy

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    Gorecki, do you have any more details? was muster going easy on him? who was faster?

    do you know why rios didn't play?
     
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    Someone please YouTube this.
     
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    Dont know why rios didnt show up.

    About the Borg vs Muster, i really have to say that Borg gave him a Rough time even though he is a lot younger. of course Muster was faster, but Borg still keeps that solid swing. what a sight...

    Unfortunately i didn't take my camera. and a was 500km away from home (thats how much i like tennis)

    but i guess sooner or later someone will youtube the videos.

    You can keep up with the tournment here:

    http://www.grandchampions.org/index2.html (english site)
     
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    Doesn't this just stick in some people's craw?

    It should. Particularly in regards to the individuals here (I won't bother naming them) who say things like "Bjorn Borg wouldn't be better than David Ferrer today", etc).

    Borg, aged 51, is out there making life miserable for former pros much younger than himself. And this is a guy who barely has any history playing on the senior tour.

    And I'm not even talking about Connors, McEnroe who have been competitive against guys who could pass for their children.
     
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  11. Gorecki

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    It surely made me rethink a few things.
     
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    BTW, Muster is still bombing at 200 Kmh (124 MPh):-D
     
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    I was in the Algarve and missed this by a week! Grrrrr!!
    Roll on London
     
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    Know you know when to schedule your next vacations.... hehe:-D
     
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    A Blackrock event in Belgium starts on Nov 8, this must be the oldest field ever in a senior event. Can't believe Vilas is playing, wonder if he's really ready for this level of play.

    Group 1:
    McEnroe
    Borg
    Leconte
    Bahrami

    Group 2:
    Vilas
    Forget
    Gustafsson
    Jarryd

    anyone attending?

    http://www.blackrocktourofchampions.com/3/events/2007/liege.asp
     
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  16. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Does anyone know, why is there 2 senior tours? :confused:
     
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  17. Moose Malloy

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    Different sponsors, founders, continents, etc. The ATP tour used to be like this in the early years of the open era as well.
     
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    Anyone know why in the HECK the Tennis Channel can't manage to cover the European circuit too? I'd LOVE to Vilas play too, but man the guy looks way overweight compared to the other seniors, really makes me wonder too if he's really ready to compete right now.

    I mean they didn't even cover the year ending masters event which is like practically the ONLY seniors tournament even worth a damn.

    Also, does anyone know when the Changster and the Red Rooster...pardon, Rios De Generico...will return?

    Finally, why does Rafter NEVER play? The guy would be a MAJOR fan favorite, and I seriously look forward to watching his wife play with me everytime I think about Rafter playing...on the seniors tour.

    Also, is there a Boom Boom in town? It seems that while Stich occasionally plays, Boris NEVER does anymore, which I find personally puzzling.

    As a last resort, where for art thou Andrei Medvedev and David Wheaton these days? They should definitely be out there too.
     
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  19. stormholloway

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    It's time to merge the seniors tours.
     
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  20. classic tennis

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    That will NEVER happen, IMG own the Blackrock tour & Courier owns the US tour (which is way stronger & better financed).
    The IMG Tour has players ranging from Rios (32 ish to Borg 51 ish) where as the US tour is competative with guy's all around the same age. With Merrill Lynch (who owns Blackrock) in a spot of bother I wouldn't be suprised if they yanked their sponsorship of this & it folded.
    Also the Blackrock tour pays crazy appearance money to the players & cannot survive. Most events last one or two years & fold.
     
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  21. Moose Malloy

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    The show highlights of it on the atp highlight show. Who knows if its even televised anywhere, it sounds like that tour isn't managed well. Maybe they ask for too much in TV rights to make it worthwhile for TTC. And US events are easier to cover for them since they are located in the US.

    Rios is out with injury this year. Who knows maybe Chang is reluctant to play again, he suffered a serious injury at an event last year.

    Some players don't have that much of an ego that they need to keep playing in front of fans long after they retire(see Mac)

    And remember, Sampras was nowhere to be seen for 4 years after he retired.
    Edberg has never played a senior event.

    Some of these guys do have lives, some aren't willing to travel, train, practice to be ready for something like this. The reason they retired was so they didn't have to practice/travel all the time, it seems odd to think that they'd all automatically be interested in this.

    Becker has committed to some senior events in the past & then pulled out with injury. Guess he not willing to put in the work to be ready for something like this. Plus I get the sense he has a bit more going on than most retired players who just golf all day.
     
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  22. Legend of Borg

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    Well, back in the 70'ties and 80'ties, Borg was pretty famous because of his style, look, and, lets not forget the important thing, Grand Slam victories. Getting back to your statement, Borg was more famous among the female audience, because of the first two reasons.
     
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    I remember when, back in the 90's, Borg, McEnroe, Connors and Gomez played an exhibition on clay at Pebble Beach (near Monterey, CA). Borg actually questioned the chair umpire on 2 line calls! I'm still shocked. (At least he finally switched to a Head graphite racquet then, after bombing on his comeback earlier with his trusty Donnay woodie....)
     
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    What are you talking about, The Blackrock has much more funding than the "outback" I've been attending the blackrock finale for the last 4 odd years and it's never looked like it's going to fold. And the whole idea is that this is the a fun and slightly competative enviroment. You're saying you'd rather see Todd Martin that Bjorn Borg or Ivanisevic? Yaahhh suree!
     
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  26. classic tennis

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    It's a fact , the Albert Hall event is the only one that makes money.
    So in your mind it's fine for Rios to get paid $100K for a week to toy with the likes of Borg etc. Get real.
    At least the Outback tour has guy's all the same age group (mainly), the IMG run european tour should be over 30, 35's , 40's 45's or 50's, it cant be everything.
    Look how many european tour events fold after two years.
     
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  27. Pistol_Tuga

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    De onde é que és Gorecki?

    500 km do algarve...Não deves estar muito longe de Coimbra, onde eu estou.
     
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    To be honest, if EITHER tour wants to be taken seriously, they really do need to get on the same page somehow. There simply isn't enough seniors players for either tour to be taken seriously, yet if you were to combine the two tours, you would have a big enough pool of contending (Leconte and his flabby belly do not count) "name" talent to really make things interesting. In fact, more interesting than the main tour in many respects. It would feel like having a year ending masters event every week with the number of marque "name" matchups.

    The problem with both tours is that there are too many hangers-ons there just to fill out the draws.

    Guys like Cash, Pernfors, Leconte, Jarryd, Wilander, etc. are all still very good players, and everyone knows they're a step down from the best seniors these days. They're like the equivalent of "jobbers" in pro wrestling.

    And then add this to the fact these are round robin tournaments with small fields?

    It just feels a bit like a farce.

    I understand that these guys retired for a reason, burnout from traveling being a large one. However, to have two separate tours without ever bringing the two together at any point is like shooting themselves in the foot.

    The biggest problem I see is that they each have their own flagship marquee year ending masters event. What they need to do is combine these two events into one.

    They need to bring the top qualifiers from each tour once a year at the end of the year in a kind of superbowl or world series of senior tennis, where the two different leagues/conferences can come together at the end.

    Why? Simple and obvious. To see who really is the baddest man alive...err, senior player alive.

    The dream and goal should be to put seniors tennis on the map. Seniors tennis has NEVER been taken seriously, it's not something you'll EVER see covered on ESPN Sportscenter for example. So, to put together one event that IS taken seriously and gets at least some recognition as being a marque event would be a landmark in the history of tennis in my opinion.
     
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  29. Moose Malloy

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    tym, you're forgetting an important point here. any of the players that compete are doing the tour a favor. its not like the current atp tour which would survive if the entire top 10 retired tomorrow, the senior tour has to rely on whoever shows up. like I said Becker either turned them down or pulled out with injury several times. sampras only played 3 events this year, & I doubt he will play more next year.
    neither tour would exist if guys like Cash or Pernfors didn't show up consistently.

    and you have to take travel into account. do you really think sampras wants to play in europe again? why do you think he's only playing the outback tour? because its convenient for him. He could care less if there is a 'superbowl' of senior tennis played in europe, unless they pay him a mill to show up or something. american players stick to america, europeans stick to europe. there's no reason for either to travel much at this point in their lives.

    the only way this would even begin to happen, is if prize money was huge at that event, like $500,000 for the winner. not gonna happen anytime soon. senior players don't need senior tennis, it needs them.

    your criticisms sound eerily like the criticism of pro tennis in the early years of the open era, when many top players played on separate tours & rarely faced each other outside the slams.

    The only way this tour would get big is if these guys committed to & played like every event. its not really about quality of tennis, but who has the biggest fan-base.

    Sampras
    Agassi
    McEnroe
    Courier
    Becker
    Borg
    Rafter
    Edberg
    Goran

    the chances of this happening are like zero.
     
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    os 500 km são uma imprecisão mas nunca imaginei que alguem me fosse questionar sobre isso... hehe...

    novo por cá?
     
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    Thank you for your clarity, the only way this will work is to have over 35's with a 45 year old shut off, anyone who thinks they are good enough should have to qualify by playing matches not some make it up as you go along standard.
    As for the two tours having a Masters type event, great idea but IMG would never allow it unless they ran it & why would the Outback tour want to roll over to them? most of the players have been with IMG some stage in their career & a lot of them are still pissed at the way they were treated later in life. Good on Courier for building something strong in the US.
     
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    Moose, please remember that the European tour is based on 100% guaranteed payments (appearance money) unlike the outback tour. Borg et al would not play in a prize money only event because if it was serious the guy's like Rios, Ferreira & Courier - Sampras would wipe the floor with them & they wouldnt get paid.
    That is why Senior golf has it right & Tennis (at least in Europe) has it so wrong.
     
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    Mais ou menos, descobri o fórum há uma mês e tal, mas sou mais leitor do que interveniente. Questionei-te dos km porque ando sempre a tentar arranjar mais hitting partners aqui na zona eheh.
     
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    Yeah, I would also LOVE to see that match. Both those were my two favorite players.
     
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  35. thor's hammer

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    Back on topic...

    An update on Saturday's Borg/McEnroe match...

    http://www.blackrocktourofchampions.com/5/news/2007/liege3.asp

    Most of the way down on that page...

    FEDERER IN PODCAST

    Roger Federer will guest star on the next BlackRock Tennis Champions Podcast, which will be available for download on Tuesday. Downloadable from iTunes or the BlackRock Tour of Champions website, Federer quizzes Bjorn Borg on how to win the French Open, John McEnroe about his greatest tennis regrets, and then takes the hotseat as Borg and McEnroe ask questions of their own.

    This is the podacast page link...

    http://www.blackrocktourofchampions.com/3/podcasts/default.asp
     
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    eu percebo-te! só são precisos 2 a ainda assim parece uma tarefa titanica arranjar outro tipo para espancar as amarelas...
     
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    Podes crer!
    Eu tenho 4/5 potenciais HP e mesmo assim já cancelei reservas muitas vezes. Outro problema que tenho é arranjar parceiros que consigam devolver a bola mais de 5 vezes seguidas :?
     
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    Borg/Krajicek

    November 16, 2007

    Richard Krajicek admitted that he had ‘goosebumps’ while warming up with Bjorn Borg before their match at the Klarmobil.de Champions Trophy in Frankfurt. He just about held it together long enough to fight back and win through a tight match 3-6, 6-3, 10-8 (Champions' Tie-break).

    http://www.blackrocktourofchampions.com/5/news/2007/frankfurt2.asp
     
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    So true!!! Hey, it's making me rethink my vacay's already! The Masters going to the UK helps too! I usually always go to Ireland, so a little side trip to London is no biggie...but to actually see Borg play? As those commercials say, "priceless!"
     
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    Borg is making them interesting, but is no longer winning the close ones.

    Still good for an old guy though, I guess.
     
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    Borg seems to be losing to everyone in the champions tie breakers. Seems like too much of a coincidence. It sounds like they're taking it easy to make it close, then just winning the breakers vs borg.
     
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    Yes I believe they are all televised, regionally, locally. We do not have a 'tennis channel' in Europe so for television coverage of the Blackrock tour events we are dependant on whether or not we have access to a (national/regional) television channel that happens to televise an event in a country.
    Here you can watch a livestream for both matches played earlier today in Frankfurt. Cash vs Stich (3rd/4th place play-off & Haarhuis vs Jarryd (final):
    http://www.rheinmaintv.de/livestream/
     
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