Boris Becker 11 (Standard) in Hand: What next??

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  1. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Greetings,

    After weeks of reading all that's been written here about the BB11 I couldn't resist the urge to call up TW and request a demo. ;) After all, Boris WAS one of my favorite players, and I'd dearly loved many of the Volkl 10 series frames of times past (and present).

    Well, the BB11 arrived today and will be put to the playtest this weekend. Expect the usual obsessive compulsive run-down, including comments on fit and finish, grip, and of course a detailed accounting of its performance in various aspects of the game. I will be hitting Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, so I should have plenty of opportunity to put it through the paces.

    My first blush comment is that it looks cool, and the grip is more 'Wilson-ish' than past models..............more to follow!!

    Best,

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  2. BreakPoint

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    Can't wait to see what you have to say about the BB11, Craig! :D

    But if I was a betting man, I'd bet you will still like your K90 better. ;)
     
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  3. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I always try to keep an open mind, but as all here are aware, am VERY fond of the K90. ;)

    Best,

    CC
     
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  4. tennisntn3477

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    Best of luck with the demo, Craig! The Becker 11 is a very interesting stick - demo'd it and the Becker V1 earlier this summer. Enjoy the weekend.
     
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  5. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Thanks! I am always curious to know about new frames, even if I don't anticipate changing. Guess that's why the call it a 'hobby'. ;) Best, CC
     
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  6. Bolt

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    Or a sickness ... ;)
     
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  7. hacker

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    I'm looking forward to your review. I'm in the same boat. I'm happy with my DNX10 Mid, but just have to try the BB11. My demo arrives on Monday. :)
     
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  8. jayserinos99

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    Does anyone know if you can replace the older Volkl pallets with these newer "Wilson-ish" shaped newer pallets?
     
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  9. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I will see you Sunday, BB11 in hand!! ;) CC
     
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    P.S. Yes, Bolt you can hit it too!! ;)
     
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  11. Bolt

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    Dr. Evil .... :p
     
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  12. Michelangelo

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    Kinda hit with it today. First I'm very impressed by its spin potential despite the 18x20 string pattern. It generates spin just as good as other 16x18 or 16x19 with similar head size, but seems to have better directional control. I demoed it with Donnay Pro One midplus and oversize side-by-side, it generated spin even a bit more than Pro One midplus. Very comfortable and enough power for baseline and serve (although I'd wish a bit more power). Finally the sweetspot feels true to the headsize (Volkl's famous by its relatively small sweetspot). I'm not a big fan of Volkl but this is definitely one of the few sticks I like. I'd wish slightly more flexy for extra feel.

    Note: I ordered a 4-1/2 grip size demo stick, but the actual thing feels like 4-3/8.
     
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  13. AndrewD

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    Yes, and vice versa.
     
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  14. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yes, I think you can. BUT the new pallets are not 'true' Wilson shaped, just CLOSER to them in comparison to the 'old' Volkl grips. ;) CC
     
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  15. samster

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    Folks here will have to wait a little longer for Craig's review on BB11 Standard. I am sorry to inform you all that his demo session with BB11 was derailed after he got his hands on my Cayman TNT-90.

    He swore that he never used the TNT-90 before but his play showed otherwise, which included heaters in the service corners at 110 mph and nasty drop shots and netplay.
     
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  16. vkartikv

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    Somehow I feel that the BB 11 will not live up to expectations. Putting BB's name on a racquet - that could only mean trying to replicate the old Vilas frame that he used under those puma pcs pjs....And I don't think that replication has ever been done - atleast not successfully.

    Craig, I'd like to know your opinion on this frame and how it compares with the dnx 10 MP. Basically, is it really worth replacing one's dnx 10 with a BB11?
     
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  17. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Greetings!

    Unfortunately I won't be able to make that comparison, since (believe it or not!) I've never hit a DNX 10 MP at all.

    A VERY short version of my experience so far (and I hit it again today with Bolt, and plan to use it to take on some of Tim's junior studs this afternoon) is 'nice, but not my cup of tea'. ;) More specifically, it's a bit too flexy and powerful for my tastes, but a very comfortable and forgiving hit.

    Best,

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  18. BounceHitBounceHit

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    :) Well, I DID play the PS 6.0 85 for 20 years of so, and I think there may be a 'Family Resemblance', if you know what I mean!

    Thanks for the props Sam-stah!! ;)

    Best,

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  19. BounceHitBounceHit

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    So, how much do you want for those two Cayman TNT 90's anyway?! ;) CC
     
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  20. jeffreyfranz

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    Oh, man, is that good news! I have loved Volkl racquets from the first swing but always hated the handles. Wilson happens to have my favorite handle shape. :-D
     
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  21. BreakPoint

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    Ahhh......I knew I should have placed that bet. ;) LOL Sigh...........
     
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  22. J011yroger

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    Hey CC/Samster. What is the stiffness like on the TNT 90s? I have to admit that when I saw it, and its 16/18 pattern I said "ooooooh pretty. . ."

    Looks to be a heckuva stick.

    J
     
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  23. BounceHitBounceHit

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    The TNT 90 is more flexible than a PS 6.0 85. I think it's 100% graphite, so that probably explains it. ;) CC
     
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  24. mhstennis100

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    My friend and coach played with it one day. They both said it was one of the worst rackets they've ever tried.
     
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  25. J011yroger

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    Ah, no Kevlar. Probably a pretty sweet dubs stick anyway.

    J
     
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  26. BounceHitBounceHit

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    By that I am sure he or she meant, 'one of the worst racquets for THEM they'd ever tried'. ;) CC
     
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  27. BounceHitBounceHit

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    To clarify: I love that thing. ;) CC
     
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  28. Bolt

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    Having hit your demo, I'm pretty sure they meant one of the worst racquets ever. :)
     
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  29. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Bolt, are you referring to the TNT 90? CC
     
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  30. J011yroger

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    I can picture Craig up on stage with Willie Nelson and Julio Iglesias singing "To All the Racquets I've Loved Before".

    J
     
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  31. Bolt

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    Sorry, no, I was referring to your demo of the BB11. ;)
     
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  32. samster

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    Definitely it was one of the worst rackets ever. Not sure what racket you are talking about, but it was the worst ever. :)
     
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  33. samster

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    Craig, I am still waiting for your BB11 review...tick tock...tick tock....tick tock.
     
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  34. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Ah-hah! I hit it again yesterday afternoon and once again this morning. I should have it up later tonight or tomorrow. ;) CC
     
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    ".....who've traveled in, and out, my door............." :)

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  36. TennisMD

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    Craig greetings, always interested in your thoughts, I know you have really liked the tour Ten Gen 2, whenever I get over my power thing, I return to the Gen 2, so in your write up if you could spell out the differences in these rkts, it would be appreciated
     
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  37. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Greetings All,

    I had penned several paragraphs when I was 'bumped' :(

    Frankly, I don't have the energy to write it all again, so here is the short version.

    I see the BB 11 as the next logical step in the Volkl 10 series evolution. ;) Read ahead, and in the end I will explain this statment! ;)

    The BB 11 Standard is a 12ounce, 7 pt HL frame that arrived spot on spec w/ a nice, if a bit 'loud', cosmetic.

    I found it stable off the ground, but not as accurate as my K90. It also lacked 'feel' from all areas of the court relative to my the Wilson.

    Transition shots were good, but 1HBH slice approaches did not 'bite' the way they can with my K90. Further, I was not able to get the kind of spin to which I have grown accustomed off either groundstroke wing.

    At net, and on serves and overheads, is where the BB 11excelled. It was stable and offered good 'put away punch' when volleying. Serves (after a bit of 'fiddling') had good 'pop' and directional control. I couldn't get my kicker to 'kick' ear high like I can with the K90, but that might come in time.

    The frame was VERY comfortable and easy on the arm.

    If I were in the market for a MP player's frame, I'd definitely demo this one (your experience may be different than mine, and in all fairness, the NXT string TW uses for their demos is amongst my very LEAST favorites). However in comparison to other Volkl tennis frames, I would prefer both the Tour 10 Gen 2 and DNX mid owing to their greater spin potential, feel, and 'pop' off both the ground and serve.

    So, why is the BB 11 'The Next Logical Step in the Evolution of Volkl Player's Frames'??? Well, it is a MP that is lighter and a bit easier to swing, and that combination of virtues seems to be the rage right now. I suspect it will prove to be favored more by the 'new schoolers' than the old. The latter group will long for a slightly heavier frame with a more open string pattern to help them generate spin using more 'traditional' grips, and will miss the 'feel' traditionally associated with the Volkl line. CC
     
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  38. TennisMD

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    CC, thanks for the reply. I took out the gen 2 the other night, I have the version Mojo stated was heavier in SW and to my suprise played very well and my opponents, all friendly group, did not notice much dif in pace from this rkt and and the APD cortex. I believe this is do to the fact that the vokl allowed me to hit penetrating shots but kiss the back line more often than the APD and hence the perception of being equal. However the Volkl is so arm friendly it might be worth a go again.
     
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    Craig,

    When doing "long" posts I'll type it up in MS-Word or some other processor and then cut & paste.
     
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  40. NoBadMojo

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    I've highlighted some operative words..not easy to make a frame flexy and powerful with a dense stringbed for control yet comfortable and forgiving all in one racquet..sounds like an amalgum and combination of the best of several other frames rolled into one
     
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  41. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Mojo!

    Good to have you back (if only for a short post!)

    Yeah, I think many people are going to really like the BB 11. As I said in the review, I think it's tough to draw firm conclusions when hitting demos strung with a string you don't care for and at a tension probably 6-8 pounds lower than you'd (I'd) like. Unfortunately I don't think the good folks at TW are going to go for me customizing their demo frame! ;)

    Best,

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  42. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I would opt for good depth and less pace everytime. Depth kills. ;) CC
     
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  43. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yes, the BB 11 is very, very comfy. ;) At our age (I think I remember you are in your 40's, yes?) arm safety is a key concern. CC
     
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  44. samster

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    Return Of Nbmj...about Time!
     
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    The boards have been lacking some action since the depart of the great NBMJ. All the sudden, all these threads about how great mid-sized rackets are showing up again! Let's hear it for the midpluses!
     
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  46. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I think those Prince Precision Responses looked mighty good in your hands my friend! ;) 97si RULES. CC
     
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  47. gregmiata

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    Craig:

    How about a comment on the new grip shape. You seem to be in the perfect position to answer this question: If the original Volkl grip is at 1 on a 1-10 scale and Wilson is at 10, where would the new Volkl grips shape land? Is it a significant difference and how much difficulty did you find in adjusting between it and your K90 grip?

    Thanks!

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  48. BreakPoint

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    Greg,

    I know you addressed this to Craig, but I thought I could also give you my opinion as well since I've also played with the BB11 and have used Wilsons for some time.

    On your scale, I would put the new Volkl grip at 4. It is a bit less rectagular than the older Volkl grips but still nowhere near the Wilson grip shape IMHO. To me, it was still noticeably a "Volkl grip". Anyway, just my opinion, and Craig's opinion may differ. (BTW, I believe Craig also plays with his K90's without the leather grip and no grip at all, just the overgrip, so I'm not sure how much that changes the feel of the grip shape.)
     
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  49. TripleB

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    Just received the Becker 11 Light for a playtest review. I'll get a chance to hit with it tonight but in hand (and hitting against the wall in my garage) it's got a nice feel to it. I look forward to seeing what kind of power it has compared to the other racquets in the playtest.

    TripleB
     
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  50. brownyazn

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    what is a tnt 90?
     
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