Boris Becker (BB) London Club

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  1. Pneumated1

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    Time will tell. But let's be honest, what would be even more ironic than that is if it's still working out for you a month from now.
     
  2. JackB1

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    Hate to burst your bubble but it's been over 2 month's now and I'm playing better than ever with the London. Especially now that I have found a string/tension that let's me play with confidence and control. I have probably now logged more than 75 hours with this racquet and am extremely glad I gave it more than "10 minutes".
     
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  3. Pneumated1

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    I know you thrive on this type of tension, but I wish you and your London the best, seriously.

    Btw, where can I pick up one of those "racket logs?"
     
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    Dude....you're a 4.5-5.0 player if memory serves. Hitting against the wall is definitely a doable way to test a frame without a doubt, especially at your level. At least where I live, every couple of blocks is a dual handball wall...so just don't break a window!
     
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    Loving this racket more and more. Won Divisional Mix 8.0 playoffs this weekend. Sectionals here we come...
     
  6. JackB1

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    I don't really. I just remember someone who gave me a lot of judgemental sh*t because I was somewhat indecisive about this racquet at first, and then gave me even more sh*t because my initial setup didn't work out so well and I wanted to try a few others (just like you now mentioned). You also were very quick to "pile on" whenever I got into it with Maverick, so I'm sure you can understand why you're currently not on my "most congenial" list.

    I am glad to hear you "wish me well" now and I certainly have no problem reading all of your ramblings about hitting the racquet against your basement wall or how the grip is this or the string pattern is that or about how you might add lead here or you might put some lead tape there. In fact, I rather enjoy it. I just wonder how you would have responded to me, had I been saying all these things?

    I am happy to hear you FINALLY got a couple London's of your own and am very interested to hear your thoughts on actually playing with it and what strings/tension work out best for for you. You seem to have a passion for tennis and discussing it and THAT'S what I "thrive on"... not the other nonsense. So lets stick to that and all will be just great :)

    p.s. I am not sure I understand your last question about "racquet logs"? But if you care to explain, I would be happy to answer best I can. Are you referring to something where you can keep notes on your hitting sessions or something to track your stringing settings? Here is something I found for the latter...http://www.tennis1.ca/RacquetLog.html
     
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  7. Pneumated1

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    You're not gonna like this, but the "racket log" comment was friendly sarcasm about your logging 70 something hours on the racket. Who keeps up with that? But again, it was a joke. You see, this is an impersonal web forum, and therefore, you can't really know me and I can't really know you. I'm a jokester and tend to be sarcastic . . . yes, hard to believe, but it's true. My wife doesn't find it very becoming either, but she obviously knows me, and you don't.

    You've done your share of "piling" as well, but I find most of it humorous. What I find perplexing is how personal you're taking and making it.

    And seriously, Jack, "ramblings?" When I think "rambling" I associate that with "randomness," and I've always tried to keep my comments specific and focused. I didn't bring up the grip issue, but because I own two of these rackets and can hold them in my hand, I'm qualified to give feedback, I think, especially since I just switched rackets. As far as string pattern, what I noticed is quite unique to Volkl/BB, so the comment was legitimate, I think. And if I'm hitting against a wall 45 ft. away, I can feel the racket's feedback to my hand. It's interesting how the characteristics of this frame change with slight adjustments in lead at 3&9 and 5&7. I wouldn't call any of that "rambling," but I think for you it's just gotten personal.

    Let's stick to tennis and move on, shall we?
     
  8. Pneumated1

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    It's more like 4.0-4.5, but yeah, I can definitely feel what the racket and ball are doing. In fact, because I do this quite often, I've really learned how to hit a flat, penetrating slice--and improved my volleys.

    I think the windows are safe, but the housing codes now in Va. force the insulators to turn the paper in and the insulation out (they the traditional way traps the moisture and therefore mold against the sheathing). So I'm constantly having to sweep that stuff up.
     
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    My comment about logging 75 hours was obviously an estimate based on how long i have had it and how many times I have played with it. Also, if you don't add a icon or something, it's hard to tell sarcasm since printed words don't reflect any "tone". The funny thing is, I googled it and there actually are "racquet logs", but they are more used for stringing details and YES I do keep those :)
     
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    Don't get so caught up in the word "ramblings". If I would have put "incoherent" in front of it, then I could see u taking issue. To be honest, I was only giving you a hard time, because you did so to me a week or so ago.
    If I had a new racquet and it wasn't possible to play outside, I would probably be bouncing it off my walls too!

    Long story short...we are all different. Some can tell things from bouncing a ball on the strings. Some can tell from dry swinging it in a store. I can't. I need to actually play with a racquet for a couple of weeks to figure things out. Again, I am not as advanced as most of you guys and my game can be pretty inconsistent at times, so I cannot be too hasty to dismiss a racquet after one bad outing. I like to use it against a variety of different opponents and conditions and and give myself time to adapt to a particular racquet's inherent characteristics. I notice that after a certain period of time, a racquet starts to feel like it's "part of your arm" and that feeling can happen to me anywhere between a few days to 2-3 weeks. Sure, there are racquets that I can dismiss immediately, but if they get pass the inititial screening process, then it's on to the playtesting process.
     
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    Nothing would make me happier. Speaking of...when will you actually get to play outdoors with your new racquets?

    I also have to admit....my earlier statements about the London being overly powerful were definitely a little premature and maybe slightly eggagerated. I initially used my "tried and true" setup from my previous racquets and they proved to be a little too lively for the London, but once I upped the tension a little and tried a different string, all was well and balls were finding the right side of the lines again :)
     
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    Actually, I'll "hit" them today, but I'm helping a few Koreans with their games. They've only played a handful of times, so it's not like I'll be able to groove the rackets, unfortunately. However, later in the week I'm scheduled to test them out.

    As far as the power, coming from the 300 Tour, I invite and welcome a little more power. In the match and a half that I played with my demo, I thought the power level was perfect. I mean it's there if you need it, no doubt.
     
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    You're in your 30's, so it's still OK to post a video tape; it wouldn't be inappropriate. We'll critique your wall-hitting abilities!!!
     
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    Yes! I want to see the video!
     
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    But he has to leave his shirt on!
     
  16. JackB1

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    That was the nice thing about the 300T...you could string the tension way low, even with a multi and swing for the fences. I never had to worry about too much power with the 300T. I also welcome a little extra power and that's why I started playing with "tweeners" like the Youtek Instinct. I think u know you have the perfect power level when you can swing at about 80% and hit deep rally balls about 3-5 feet inside the baseline comfortably, without too much effort. That leaves you a little extra for when you want to "go for it".
     
  17. mattymatt

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    So I tried my modified London in a club tournament last week. I am very pleased with the racket. I played in 4.0 group. One of my opponent was very impressed with my consistency. My racket has TW's 15mm leather grip and small lead tape in 3 and 9 to maintain the original balance pt. The extra weight provided more consistency and added power (when needed). I am truly convinced that this is the best racket for me. It exceeds all the rackets I have demoed and owned so far.
     
  18. levy1

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    I never thought of using lead to balance the racket. How much lead did you use.
     
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    I had the camcorder out and ready until you posted this; it's a no go now!

    It was a harder decision for me than I led on to walk away from the 300 Tour. I played my most consistent tennis yet with the stick (weighted to just under 12oz.). Some would say that that's the name of the game and that I should have stuck with it. And although most Dunlops offer "feel" in abundance, I wanted a more solid "feel," more stability (stock), a little more juice, and a different, enhanced ball quality. Enter the London; when I demoed it, all the above expectations were met without hardly any compromise in control. I sense that once I dial it in, it will be the one. As stated above, I didn't have much to work with today, but even with a paceless ball, if I made sure to pressure the ball first, the "flat roll" that I hit was diving like a kamikaze. I still need to dial it in, but it's a sweet stick.

    For what it's worth, I think this racket will hold up well stock against players up to the 5.0-5.5 level. That being said, imo, and according to Maverick's recommendations, 1-3 oz. tops at 5&7 is most effective, maintaining the flexy "feel" and maneuverability of the hoop. I have 2 grams at 5&7 and 1 gram at 3&9 on one----and I've reversed the order on the other. I like the bulk at 5&7 and will probably, once I test it against a quality opponent, keep 2 grams here and take the lead off at 3&9. I might even test the frame stock. All that to say . . . you don't need much lead on this frame.
     
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    Just to clarify...he added lead to maintain the same balance the racquet had before he added the leather grip. Not to "balance it". If that was understood....never mind :)
     
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    Totally agree. 4.0's and under definitely do not need to add one nanogram to this stick. Never once has it felt "unstable" to me and IMO Volkl/Becker nailed the perfect swingweight for this racquet.
     
  22. mattymatt

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    About 2 inches on both side. Basically I marked the original balance point before replacing the grip. After the leather grip was placed, I cut a piece of lead tape and adjusted its length until the same balance point was achieved.
     
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    About 2 inches on both side. Basically I marked the original balance point before replacing the grip. After the leather grip was placed, I cut a piece of lead tape and adjusted its length until the same balance point was achieved. (sorry for the repeated post)
     
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    OK so how many grams of lead to make it the same?
    And what is a TW 15 leather grip?
     
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    TW is Tennis Warehouse brand leather grip.

    I can't tell u how many grams because each racquet is slightly different, but like the earlier post said, find the balance point on your racquet with the stock grip. Then change the grip and then add enough lead tape at your desired spots in the hoop (like 3/9) to get it to balance in the same spot as before. If this all sounds complicated to you, then you should just let a pro shop do it.
     
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    62 year old AGRESSIVE USTA 3.5 with a slow swing speed and no power.
    Received my London demo today along with Becker Pro, Kennix something or other. Started out in the warm-up with my racket, hit a few balls with the other demos, hit one with the London, just one and went WOW. Right there it I knew this was going to be something special and it turned out to be the best feeling racket I ever played with. Never felt such ball pocketing in my life Touch, feel, power, it was all there for me. I usually string at 50 for power but it had all I needed. I have a very good serve and I hit more aces today in one match 4 or 6 I don't remember, and the spin I could generate serving was great. I play singles against my USTA captain and we go back and forth in winning. I was hitting winners, painting the lines and he was letting out a few yells in frustration. On most of the changeovers he kept saying how much I had improved since he played me 2 weeks ago. At the end of the match he complemented me on how much better of a player I am. My game has not gotten better one bit. The only difference was me with the London in my hand. I never told him it was the racket, let him think it was me and he will keep playing me more in matches. What a racket!!
    I see why there is 24 pages of posts!
     
  27. mattymatt

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    London is a very special racket for me also. I think I know how you felt. I just played a tournament and found myself a full of confident to go for the lines. Never had so many 2HBH down the line winners in matches before. Wanted to nickname myself Andre Agassi but that would be an insult to the guy. :)
     
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    I love reading these posts even though I'm not a BB guy. What is amazing is that any of us can stop with the demo-ing and go with one brand and one model. Like you, I was able to do that, just with a different racquet. Kudos to you guys for being so passionate about your sticks. Ok, I will go back to lurk mode in this thread. :)
     
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    Join the party! Dump the Yonex :)
     
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    This will be about the 4th time I thought I had the best for me but I will say this racket absolutely impressed me more then any other I tried. And never before did someone who knows my game think I had improved my strokes. It WAS the racket,
     
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    This racket is arguably the best kept "secret" in tennis from the intermediate to the 5.5 level. But I like the fact that I'll probably be the only guy in my area hitting the frame. It's like you said: one hit and I'm looking at the stick like, "how did they pull this off?" (BB&co.) It's a mesmerizing racket for the right player.

    As far as the 24 pages, this is actually the second London thread. The first was arguably better, but it got zapped because . . . well, some of us had a little too much fun in debate one day.
     
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    Thats one way to do it. I use lead all the time so I would weigh the original grip and the leather grip and then cut the lead tape so I have 4 pieces. I would want a piece on each side of both sides of the hoop. 1 inch long of tennis lead, 1/2 inch wide equals 1/2 gram. So If the difference in the grips were 2 grams more I would be using 4 pieces of 1 inch tape.
     
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    That'l get u close, but if u want to be more exact, you have to measure the balance before and after. That's because you aren't adding weight at exactly the same distance from the balance point on both ends. Plus the leather grip is more "spread out" than the lead tape will be. It's easy to do, so why not get it right?
     
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    I agree, but Volkl/BBecker in general, are the best kept secrets. Every once in a blue moon, I will see a Volkl racquet on the courts, but hardly ever see Becker's. Has anyone here ever seen another London yet or even another Becker? Not me.

    To me, the most amazing thing is how solid and stable the racquet feels for it's weight. Secondly is the sweet feel at impact. Then it's the overall ease of use. Also, it's rare for a soft flexible racquet to have this much pop. So add it all up and u got a pretty special stick!
     
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    Sounds good, how do I measure the balance?
     
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    LOL Jack!! You never know. But, sticking with this racquet has elevated my game. Crisp volleys and great feel. But, I checked the London's specs out and I like them. So, next time I am looking...I will demo them for sure.
     
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    I think Jack has done a great job sort of leading this discussion along constructive and rational lines. The other thread had lots of immature insults against TW forum members and TW customers, sort of like the comment above.

    I'm certain that many TW customers and forum members are relative noobs (I'm one!) but can still hold valid opinions on various products. So be it. No need to denigrate their opinions on great products such as the London based on their skill level. I think the enthusiasm around this stick is wonderful even if we are noobs! We're still TW customers after all!

    Besides, if the entire tennis industry was left to a very small number of high level players and self proclaimed experts there wouldn't be enough money in the business to support the industry in general or even TW specifically.

    We're all guests of TW on this forum and should treat each other with respect as if meeting on the TW test courts face to face rather than hiding behind internet anonymity! :)
     
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    Well said Timo
     
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    - String: My standard string is VS17 Crosses at 50# and Xcel Mains at 52# which is how I strung the London.



    Hey TimO or anyone
    Did you hit a demo? The reason I am asking is using the demo today from TW I really liked the tension at 57 with NXT. I usually play around 50 lbs with natural gut mains and synthetic crosses. I am trying to find out if anyone hit the demo and went lower. I want to know if the lower tensions still give the same feel as the demo at 57
     
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    What is to tight to you?
     
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    Too tight a string bed is when the speed of the ball leaves your racquet face on-contact faster than you are able to control the ball's character, height, and direction.
     
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    Nope, I went out on a limb and bought demo-undemo'd!

    If you usually play with nat gut mains at 50 and synth crosses I think you'll enjoy the London using similar specs. But you must hit with top spin to tame the power of those crosses and the 98 sq in hoop.

    Next week I hope to try some Hurricane Feel in the London's crosses. I love that string's performance in my EXO3 Tour 16x18. Comfy and great control even with 100 sq. in. to work with. I finally broke my VS mains in the London so I can justify the re-stringing expense! :)
     
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    Never worked in the car business. Just on programs such as the Predator UAV.
     
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    This is interesting coming from a fellow who doesn't accept the basic physiology of tennis with respect to ball impact and nervous system response time. I suppose that makes us fellow noobs! :)
     
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    ^^^Totally agree and couldn't have stated that better.
     
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    Tim, I really appreciate you trying to knock some sense into some people's heads, but some people just don't see anything wrong with their behavior. That's also why they do it behind the veil of "internet anonymity". They would never get away with the same nonsense in person. Treating each other with respect is a basic requirement for any civil discussion or human interaction and without it, things fall apart quickly.

    So what do you do after you try reason and logic and that doesn't work? You do what I now do...ignore. It's easy...just click the person's name, then "view public profile" and click "add to your ignore list" and poof just like magic, they are gone :) It works wonders and totally infuriates the attention seeking poster in question. After all, these are obvious attempts to get some type of reaction/response. When you don't give the desired response, what you end up with is someone sitting alone muttering to themselves.

    Again, I do appreciate your countless attempts to right the ship and also all the others who commented here or emailed me privately. But at some point you have to walk away and save it for someone else who's worth your time. Two words..."ignore user". It's your friend :)
     
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    Didn't sound like a joke to me. Just putting a smiley after a sentence doesn't automatically make something a joke. Please explain how saying "I'll give you an "A" for rheteric" or "that you want to sell me a mint salvaged car" are jokes? Calling someone a "bullsh*tter" is somehow a joke? Please explain.

    BTW...I thought we were going to "stick to tennis"??? Where/why did we get off track again?
     
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    It is really easy. Get a ruler or any object with a straight edge. Now try to balance the frame on the edge of the ruler. This will tell you the balance point of your frame. It will be somewhere in the neck of the frame.
     
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    just to add a little. For every 1/8" the balance point is from the middle (13.5" for a 27" racquet), that equals "1 balance point". So if the London balances at 14" from the end of the handle, that would be 4/8" or 4 points headlite.
     
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    Are you serious? I give my friends a harder time than that! I'll say this: it was a joke in an ironic kind of way, just by some chance that it were true. In that case, it wouldn't be a joke but the truth, ironically. I cannot know which is the case. But if it's not true, no offense should be taken. You, on the other hand, have gotten profane in at least four posts directed to me or to implicitly include me. But that's not offensive? That seems like a double standard in a twisted kind of way.

    And as far as sticking to tennis, my last post was all about tennis: physiology, coaching philosophy, etc. I'm trying to reconcile the situation; anyone can see that, but here again, it got zapped. Let's talk tennis, but I will warn of you one thing, Jack: If you profane me again, it'll be the last time we correspond. Besides, I'm not the guy you're after anyway, so set your sites elsewhere.
     

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