Boris Becker (BB) London Club

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  1. acwk

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    Not sure about how it'll work on a London but I have my Becker Legends strung at 35/33 with Black Code 18 and find it very comfortable as well as providing a lot more spin than a multi at mid-range tensions. For me low tension poly also seems to offer a slightly longer dwell time and I prefer that feel. But the spin I get from poly is the big thing for me and the low tension addresses any harshness issues.

    I've been playing with low tension poly for more than a year now since I came across the thread in the string forum started by Chris of TW on his low tension poly experiments with the PB10 Mid. It took me a while to get used to it initially on the PB10 Mid as that frame seems to be more sensitive to angle of the racket face at contact and the low tension stringbed made this even more acute. I found that I needed to be very accurate with my strokes on that frame.

    With the Legend, the transition from multi to low tension poly was seamless. In any case I find the Legend to be a much easier frame to play with than the PB10 Mid, all else being equal.

    So I think low tension poly is worth a try on the London (or any other frame for that matter - it's my preferred string option now) but based on some of the posts I've read, some people never adapt and switch back to higher tensions.

    From my perspective, I think that mid-40's is still too high a tension! Especially with modern stringing machines which seem to apply tension more effectively. Of course we all have our different preferences but what I'd say is don't be afraid to try what seems to be ridiculously low tensions. One of my Legends is strung at 33/30 and it's a bit too mushy for my taste but still quite usable.
     
  2. ghia

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    Count me in the club with 2 BB DC London's
     
  3. vantageboy

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    welcome ghia, enjoy the great playing sticks
     
  4. zapvor

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    i just got one. cant wait to get out and have a hit!
     
  5. TroutSc

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    Im now a member, just ordered a london. hopefully it gets here before i ship back the demos. Used it this week and couldnt put it away, demo'd 4 but ended up grabing the london after each game with the others and it just felt right. I plan to mess around with a little lead but overall it feels great and nice on my elbow.
     
  6. djNEiGht

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    welcome to the club. what strings do you plan on using and any idea on the mods to the racquet?
     
  7. TroutSc

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    Live wire xp @ 55 is what I ordered it with to start. I like the stock balance but may add some weight.
     
  8. eleventeenth street

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    just ordered a pair of dc londons.
    asked TW to find me two that were as close in specs to each
    other as possible. plus leather grips and some extra grommets
    can't wait to find some time this week to hit
     
  9. scotus

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    If you ordered these sticks during the TW's 20th anniversary sale, you would have been able to get each stick for $60.
     
  10. eleventeenth street

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    just called TW and and got 40% off my delta core londons. very cool. had no idea this sale was going on. very lucky i decided to place my order before noon
     
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  12. djNEiGht

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    that is probably my fav set up so far on this racquet.
     
  13. TroutSc

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    nice. mine should be here thursday. It was tempting to jump to a hybrid but I figured Ill start here and see how the elbow feels in a month.
     
  14. Tommyj

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    I just received my London which I had strung with Cyclone at 45M/43C. My first impression after hitting last night, was that this racquet/string setup has a really uncomfortable buzzy/vibrating feel to it, and that is with a vibration dampener. I don't normally play poly, usually full bed of syn gut works just fine. I'm hoping that all the vibration is string related, because compared to the dampened, comfortable feel of my X10 295 this just won't cut it. Anyone else have any experience with full poly at low tension in this frame? Also, QC on these Becker frames is not great, mine came in 10g heavier than spec and 2 points more head light. I guess at $60/racquet with the 40% discount I shouldn't complain.
     
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  15. Tommyj

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    Just a quick update on the above post. Went out and hit again with the London this morning and have to say that this is a very impressive racquet. The poly has a much crisper feel than the broken in syn gut in my X10, but once I found the sweet spot I was amazed at the level of spin, control and power with the Cyclone. I think the Organix line has quite a dampened feel, which I've gotten used to, whereas he London transmits a bit more feedback, much like my PB10 Mid. What I love about the London is that it still gives me a lot of stability and plow through, but in a lighter, more maneuverable package than the PB 10 Mid. Comfort level is also very good, no residual arm discomfort after hitting with the full poly for a couple of hours.
     
  16. tennismonkey

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    i've had my two londons for a few weeks now.

    it's as comfy on the arm as advertised. mine are strung with full poly at 50 pounds and my arm, wrist, elbow and shoulder are holding up great. it's not quite as comfortable as an exo3 tour though.

    it's a lot more powerful than i was expecting and this is with full poly. with full multi or syn gut it might be too much - at least for me.

    spin is very good but not quite standout. it's not as good at spin as say an exo3 tour, or juice 100, or aeropro drive, or pure drive. i wanna try 18 gauge string and see if i can get a little more spin. it's an open pattern but it seems a little densely packed in the center of the racquet.

    stability is really really good. it plays like a 12 ounce racquet in terms of stability and solid feel. i think because of the balance it also makes it feel slightly sluggish. TW lists the swingweight at 311 but my two feel much much more sluggish than that.

    quality control on these seem less than stellar. i have full poly in both sticks. same tension. no overgrips. boris becker vibe damp. one stick weighs 318 grams. the other 327 grams.

    can any other owners weigh their londons please?
     
  17. JackB1

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    the London IS very dense in the middle....similar to a 18 x 20....that's what makes spin a little tougher. Its great for flatter hitters though. But yes, it can be overly powerful with the wrong setup.
     
  18. tennismonkey

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    jack -- funny you mention that it's similar to 18x20 pattern. it doesn't play like a lot of 16x19 or 16x20 pattern sticks. do you still have your london? if so - could you weigh yours? :)
     
  19. Tommyj

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    I picked up two Londons probably around the same time as you - the TW anniversary sale.

    Although my two are fairly close, both are pretty far off from the TW listed specs. Both are around 325g strung with full poly, no overgrip and no vibration dampener. The balance is around 7 HL strung, which is 3 points more HL than what TW had listed.
     
  20. eleventeenth street

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    i bought a pair during the anniversary sale as well.
    as i stated above, i didn't want to take chances on
    the quality control so i used TW's $10 racquet matching service
    and asked for two as close in specs as possible.

    both mine came in well above spec in terms of static weight.

    unstrung, they were 11.2 and 11.24 oz, 300 swing weight, and 8.5 points headlight.
     
  21. vsdtrek

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    I have three and while they all are the same weight, they are not close to spec. I think strung but without grips, they are something like 11.4. When I added a BB leather grip and overgrip to them, they end up around the 12.4 mark. That BB leather is really heavy.

    Even without leather, they are not the most nimble. A bit too much pop for this weight too IMHO. My PB 9s are a much faster swinging stick.
     
  22. tennismonkey

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    thanks guys. i had a friend weigh his london. his strung with no overgrip and no vibration dampener came out to 316 grams.

    before i restring -- i'll weigh mine unstrung.

    figure TW averages out a few sticks to get their weight of 314.68 grams strung. so they must've had a few in the low 300 grams weight range to even out with the ones we've seen that are 325+ grams.

    still a very nice stick with lots of potential but i definitely like the lighter and more headlight ones. seems like more room to customize.
     
  23. keithfival

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    Rocket launcher my **%$!!

    Just picked up a couple of these and hit tonight. They had been strung with Tour Bite 17 @ 50lbs which is very similar to what I'm used to. One is 332g with overgrip, the other 10 grams less. Currently playing with a leaded ~ 340g Microgel Radical, so a very low powered stick. I'm an aggressive 4.5 with typical strokes (can hit flat or topspin). I tried out the 332g London.

    My first impression: unless I was flattening out a forehand sitter I could not get anything on the ball. Especially serve returns and my very solid 2HBH. Just got pushed around all night like crazy. I just spent an hour perusing this thread and mostly see people talking about taming the power?? Wha??Anyone else find the London VERY low powered? I mean, I'm coming from the MG Rad which I thought was as low powered as it gets. Anyone?

    It is indeed very arm friendly which is great, good touch/slice, very stable on volleys, pretty good control on flat FH drives, but man, my serve returns were all sitters, just meatballs, and my backhand rally shot just a puffball. I started just hitting my backhand returns high and deep, moonballs almost, because my regular stroke was just an automatic winner for the other guy.

    I also noticed that the London seems very picky about the angle of the racket face. For example, with the Radical on a ball coming straight down the middle I can drive an inside out FH to the sideline with an open stance without any real adjustment to my position, just point and shoot. With the London on the same ball I felt like I had to turn to face the right sideline with a closed stance to hit in that direction. Similarly, when on the run, instead of just being able to whip the ball in any direction, I felt like I had to plant my right foot and make sure I got the racket face flat on the ball (rather than just whipping over it) which made it much harder to hit spots on the run.

    Anyone else have a similar experience? If so, did some lead in the hoop help? I tried the 5 & 7 thing mentioned at the start of this thread, which cut down the flutter but didn't help the power or pickiness. I have lead at 10 & 2 on the Radicals, I guess I will try that. I do like the comfort and touch the frame offers so I'm game to tinker a bit. Anyone have lead at 10 & 2 on this thing??

    Thanks!
     
  24. januslow

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    MG Rad is definitely not as low powered as it gets, it is categorized by TW as a medium-low power racket. I will say London is pretty similar in term of power as compared to Radical. Furthermore, your rad is leaded. When you read comments from others on London being powerful, I guess they are probably comparing it with 'players' rackets which are truly much lower powered like Head Prestige, PSL or Volkl 10 series.
     
  25. vantageboy

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    I believe it has a "bit" of xtra power for a somewhat flex-able light weight frame. It is not a rocket launcher buy any means. Great control and feel,arm friendly and really a great looking stick. Mine weighs at 12oz with lead at the handle and 5/7.I suspect the complaints would have to be from lower level players who don't close the racquet face and move their head thru the stroke.Its easier to blame the racquet than yourself and now they have the excuse to buy a new one(what did iverson say-"practice" but if your over 30 with a job/family/injuries who has the time. so be happy your just playing the best you can). 2nd question i play the ad side in our doubles group as i can drive my backhand hard cross-court but i'am now inconsistent on that side so they serve me out when i am. This opens up to my forehand so they will hit short so i have to hit a lot of low inside out forehands. For me this is were it shines with a flick of the wrist a hard dipping passing shot(he did have hip replacement so its not that great lol) . i think with it starting out at 4pts head light and then weighting the lower half helps the stability of your shots cause the head weight is still there. Good luck and hope u stick with it.
     
  26. Tommyj

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    I recently purchased a couple of Londons and had a similar reaction. Reading a lot of posts about having to control the power of the London, I was somewhat concerned. But I found that the racquet has no more power than my other 2 racquets - an X10 295 and a PB 10 Mid. If anything, I get similar depth to those frames with the London but not the same sort of bite or weight on the ball, especially compared with the PB 10 Mid. I've only played the London so far with a bull bed of Cyclone 17 at 45# and I found that even at the low tension I had to put some muscle into my shots to get them deep in the court.
     
  27. keithfival

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    In the MG Rad specs TW lists it as low power, and if you read their review every one of the playtesters mentions the lack of power. I've hit with Prestiges and other player's frames and find the MG to be significantly less powerful. It's designed to have the control of a player's frame, which it does, but without the weight so you end up with a much lighter ball. With the Prestige or Black Ace type I can use that weight to really crush the ball. I have one MG Rad weighted to 354g and that one just starts to approach the type of weight of shot of a Prestige but my 340g Rads are nowhere close even with 18g mains at low tension, let alone a stock Rad.

    Anyway, I tried the London again today with some lead at 10/2, the same amount at 5/7 and a second overgrip which brought it to 341g. It's just not for me. The lead made the head feel more uniform and I didn't have to think about the racket face angle so much but other than tee'd up forehands I still found very little weight on my shots. It feels like it lacks mass in the head but doesn't swing particularly fast to make up for it either. I don't know if this is a bad string setup for this frame or if it just doesn't fit my strokes but it just didn't work for me. Hopefully their next owner will have better luck! Thanks for the feedback...
     
  28. djNEiGht

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    If I Play poorly at tomorrows meet I'm blaming you, keithfival!!!

    Planting that seed of doubt and now I'll be dreaming of a racquet to help fix all my mistakes...thx
     
  29. djNEiGht

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    I do hit with a 90 si players racquet and a pb10 mp. Those are def low powered. The London's have more pop and forgiveness and when I'm in a groove I am having a great time all over the court with them.

    I've been working on more torso and shoulder action plus letting the weight of my racquet do the work. It doesn't feel like I'm swinging out yet the ball looks good and my friends say the ball has weight to it.

    I have lead at 3&9/5&7 and a leather and over grip. The set up seems o be the best for me out of the other mods. I started a just leather, the. 3&9. When I added lead at 5&7, my serves seemed to benefit the most.

    I've been happy with multi strings at mid tension. Live wire xp through most of the play and x1 when fresh. Cyclone at 48 was really nice too. I'm currently enjoying the 4g Luxilon string still another with some extra 361/beast string I had also at 48. If it stays warmer for a while I will put cyclone back in before the SoCal winter arrives.
     
  30. keithfival

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    Don't worry, I still won the sets I played due to the control and forgiveness which will fix all your shots and keep them in, so you're good to go!!

    You're using a multi, I can see how that might be better. I didn't feel like I was getting any of that dwell time everyone talked about with this frame, maybe the Tour Bite is just too stiff for this frame. I was playing decently by the end of the second day and control was never a problem but it didn't feel natural enough with my swing to pursue further. I'm sure it's the perfect stick for you!! :)
     
  31. zapvor

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    i been using it to hit around for groundies and it feels great. on the serve though i get nothing
     
  32. djNEiGht

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    I've browsed the classifieds a bit...casually looking for another London in 5/8s.

    Any leads on where else they may be available as TW doesn't seem to have any listed anymore?
     
  33. Pneumated1

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    Club meeting?

    I just picked up my third London in the form of a used demo from TW in 4 1/2 grip size. You might check a certain warehouse in TX or in "doit" CA.

    You, vantageboy, and I are the only ones left hitting the frame, it would appear.:)
     
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    My kind of crowd--"to the 3 Londoners" --Slainte
     
  35. eleventeenth street

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    i picked up a couple londons during TW's anniversary sale. i love them but ive been sidelined with a bone bruise in my ankle for the last 6 weeks. and right when it started to cool down here in california.
     
  36. djNEiGht

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    I thought I was going to go the mp route when I played w a friends for a couple of games. It was an older model. I then tried the current model and it felt different and the price was a bummer.

    I then considered the redondo mp and asked for iprestige mp and redondo mp comparisons and it fell on deaf ears.

    My uncle had my racquets for stringing and I ended up hitting w my old mizuno and my volkl pb10 mp but couldn't adjust to them and let it get in my head when my game suffered...

    It made me think of getting a 3rd one. Current mod is w leather and lead at 3/9 & 5/7. Testing out the kirshbaum super smash Orange and genesis black magic. Would be nice to have one w a neutral back up string at all times.

    3s a crowd anyways...cheers London users!!!
     
  37. danix

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    I still have my Londons though I am not playing with them due to tennis elbow (Ki5 is the only thing that doesn't hurt). Just a reminder that the London uses the BB/Volkl pallet grip system, so you can change the grip size to whatever suits you.
     
  38. djNEiGht

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    danix - thanks. i've changed one of the London's pallets before so I"m not too worried. I'd prefer to find one in my size so I can save the $15-20 bucks. If I have to...then I guess it will have to happen.

    good luck w your elbow. I found that playing w the London and my PB10mp has helped w my elbow. I have pondered a PK Redondo though...


    TX location and doit?
     
  39. Pneumated1

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    Yes, they both have the frame, but I'd be surprised if they have a 5/8. At the latter location, however, you should be able to find a 5/8 BB pallet.
     
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    I still have mine and will never sell. I plan to use them from time to time because I love the feel. So I guess you could say that I have not entirely left London, but mostly.
    Alas, I am switching to the ProKennex Ki5 or the Q5. Those racquets have blown me away. I have both and have used the Ki5 more, but the Q5 is a solid frame as well. I can actually hit full poly with the Ki5 which I never thought possible with my horrible arm. The only area where the London out shines the PK frames for me is at the net.
     
  41. TroutSc

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    I pulled mine off the 'consignment' rack today to give it another go. Im going to try to stick with it and how it works out. Ive been using volkl pb7 (1 hybrid and 1 full poly)and have had some elbow pains. The london has live wire in it, but Im hoping to be able to play with hybrid and stay comfortable. I think its a 63 vs 67 stiffness on the volkl, so we'll see.
     
  42. zapvor

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    yea i still have a new one in plastic.....so many sticks so little time:(
     
  43. djNEiGht

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    I should be getting another one soon. I'll play with the hoop stock and with a leather grip. My primary reason before in adding lead to the hoop was for stability. I'd like to see if my technique has improved where I don't need the added weight. My current set up is with lead at 3/9 & 5/7 w a leather grip and OG.

    It is coming with Klip Legend. My first ride with gut.
     
  44. djNEiGht

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    So to follow up with my new racquet and 1st experience with gut...

    I've been battling with TE again. I think the poly playtests may have done me in. I had a great time with the 4G test and was playing it side by side with left over 361 (Beast XP) and didn't feel but the slightest discomfort towards the end of it's playability.

    Next string test was the Super Smash and Black Magic. The temps had dropped as SoCal Fall/Winter was creeping in. I normally play at 0700 and it's still pretty chilly then. Mid-way through the playability of those strings I started to feel some mild discomfort and was going to switch it up with a hybrid or a full bed of multi.

    I've been playing in a round robin doubles tourney and didn't want to switch to a different model racquet w syn/multi in it. By the time I got the hybrid of Tour Bite / NXT Tour at 52# (sweet spot is huge), the TE had come back after 2 years. I also got another London at that time with gut at 60# (not so big of a sweet spot but very scaple like) and hit with it in stock form. I had such a great time with it and appreciated the nearly 1 ounce lighter set up but missed the bevels of leather.

    I've continued to hit with the stock/gut set up but as of late I need at least a good set or 30 minutes to get warmed up. Today was pretty bad. 2nd set I had discomfort serving and on the fore hand.

    I was hoping that the week off I took with the rain would have helped...maybe it's time to stay away for much longer. No discomfort holding a cup of coffee or doing dishes...but I have some while trying to pull my shirt over my head.

    Anyways...I wonder if swinging such a light racquet now has also contributed to the pain (as well as the colder temps in the early morning). I know that I need to take some time off especially since I've increased my court time to roughly x5 days a week for the past 2 months.
     
  45. Bobo96

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    Anyone know when BB will come out with a new version?
     
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    I think the question might be "if" they ever come out with anything else. Seems to be a fire sale on all their remaining frames. That NYC didn't last long at all. While BB makes nice frames, I wonder if the brand name has run its course.
     
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    I took advantage of a London fire sale

    Would be interesting to see if anything else comes out fr them or will volkl take the lead and promote their gear more
     
  48. Pneumated1

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    I was told by a Volkl playtester that two new frames will be released around the French Open/Wimbledon, and one will be based on the London mold.
     
  49. vantageboy

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    THANK U Pneumated 1 for the latest BB/VOLKL info. strung my London this week with the volkl gut 16g. very nice string and maybe a touch stiffer over pacific/wilson gut.
     
  50. Pneumated1

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    vb,

    I would love to try a gut/poly hybrid in the London, but I continue with the economical Cyclone mains with NV.Y crosses. Take care!
     

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