Boris Becker (BB) London Club

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  1. RollTrackTake

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    Seeing this thread revived inspired me to break out my London's yet again. I'm not sure why I go away from these frames! When I first tested them out I strung them with synthetic gut at 60lbs. I recently restrung one with Black Widow 17 and I love it! Everything is better with the poly in there! It's been so solid I took my 2 off the sale rack & picked up 2 more at a great price. I need to play some competitive matches with it & see how it works out. I put them on the shelf when the Donnay Pro 1 came out because it had more stability and easier power especially on my 2HBH. But in drills today the London felt amazing. The only minor deficiency was less power on the backhand. On the plus side it swings easier than the P1. Great racquet. Would love to see an update in the future.
     
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    t'would appear Boris Becker Tennis is kaput!
     
  3. JackB1

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    The London was great for me except in one area....serve. I just couldn't get as much pace on serve as I do with other stiffer racquets. It's more than likely a technique difficiency, but that's the only thing I didn't like about it. Groundstrokes, volleys and slices were all great and there isn't many better feeling racquets out there. But I agree...a poly is needed to help tame the power. The London also helped me to completely get over my prior TE pain, so for that I am forever grateful :)
     
  4. RollTrackTake

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    I hear you. Power for me is not that far off from the Pro 1 & Pure Drives of the world. Plus for whatever reason my placement is better with the London. BTW, got a brand new London from your boy T-Mav!!
     
  5. JackB1

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    I guess he decided to buy up all their stock before they go under? :)
     
  6. RollTrackTake

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    had a good run with the 'ol London today. Again, having a full bed of poly in it makes a huge difference for me vs. the syn gut I used to roll with. Overall it performed great. Alas it's shortcomings did present themselves. I played a friend who has a huge serve & forehand and on a few instances the London's lack of mass/plow was evident. I tried to punch back a few one-handed back hands on hard hit balls and sent back some sitters. of course if I had used a long steady stroke it wouldn't have been an issue. i'll re-read this thread to look for lead tape suggestions. however, with the beefier Pro 1 I get better results when i half-*** a swing on a hard serve. still the London will stay in the bag.
     
  7. djNEiGht

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    I first added the leather grip because of the bevel feel. As I started playing heavier hitters, I felt I needed weight to help stabilize off centered shots and did the 3/9 lead. Through experimenting I found that additional weight at 5/7 helped my style of play. It brought the balance back to stock.

    I matched up a 2nd London and played with them with primarily multi and syn gut beds. Enjoyed this set up for a couple of years.

    About 6 months ago I found time in my schedule and started playing almost every day. My elbow was feeling pretty good and I participated in a couple of poly tests. The tests I did during late summer/early fall was fine. I participated with another couple poly tests in mid to late October and started to feel pain again on the medial side of my elbow (GE). I think the second set of poly strings where also stiffer than the previous test

    I then found the London's being blown out and picked up another one with gut while the other ones where set up with a poly/multi hybrid. I found that my weighted racquets where tough to play with. The stock stick w gut was playing really well and I found my skills had improved while playing with more advance players.

    I took off all the lead on the other racquets and added minimal weight at 12 to bring the balance back to stock. I haven't hit with those much as I have been enjoying the stock weight (yet dearly missing the feel of the leather grip).

    Still feels a bit light and want to try my re-modded racquets soon.
     
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    I strung the London with Black Widow 17 @ 55lbs. So far so good as far as the elbow is concerned. May go a few lbs lighter in 2 weeks.
     
  9. RollTrackTake

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    Added some lead at 10 & 2 on the London today & it felt & played beautifully. Really is great frame.
     
  10. djNEiGht

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    how's the balance now?
     
  11. RollTrackTake

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    The balance is 2pts HL now which is the closest to even I've played since the '80s IIRC! I've got a competitive match tonight that will be a good test.
     
  12. djNEiGht

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    good luck.

    I have leather grips on my primary 2 Londons and took of the lead from 3/9&5/7 and put lead at 12 on one and 10/2 on another. I want to see what works better. Want to try and keep the balance close to stock.
     
  13. djNEiGht

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    A friend of mine had his car broken into and his tennis bag stolen with a couple ProKennex Ionic Ki 5 315. I let him borrow one of my London's in stock form and he enjoyed it. One of the local shops had it on sale and he picked up a couple, strung it up like mine but 58# instead of my #60 with PPA.

    I guess he had a honeymoon period with the loaner and now it's stale (not gone). He is playing it stock and says that his volleys and serves are really working out for him. His ground strokes though he is having some concerns. It feels as if it doesn't have enough plow through.

    I had similar plow through concerns and felt I was getting pushed around against faster paced players. I then added some weight to the racquet.

    My previous set up had Volkl/BB Leather and lead to counter balance back to stock. The racquet seemed to be more stable and although heavy, was okay for me only hitting x2 a week.

    I have been hitting close to x4 per week and found the weight getting to me. I have now found a love for the Head leather grip that doesn't build up the grip size, seems to be close to the stock synthetic grip weight, and comfy to play with out an over grip. My game has improved that I don't need the extra weight to stabilize the hoop.

    I wonder if some weight in my friends handle might help him out as his prev racquet was more HL than this and also an ounce heavier. Anyone out there have any of the issues he is having? He is a solid wall and has great control. He doesn't swing out like I do so maybe it's technique that makes his ground strokes feel unstable on this racquet.
     
  14. markmdfw

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    I am thinking of a BB london, or Exo3 18x20 ... would love thoughts.. 3.5-4.0 player all court, lots of doubles, and singles, current racket 002 tour UL, lacks mass and touch, disconnected, previous had a weighted 03 tour that I seem to win more with not sure why. Want new equipment but can' t decide.. great deals on the exo3 18x20 and BB london!
     
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    Just demo both frames so you can have your own thoughts instead of relying on testimonials...
     
  16. canadad

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    I have used both. The London is stiffer and the Prince EXO3 18x20 is very flexy, I have never felt anything like it. They are both arm friendly, but the Prince would be arm friendlier. They are both muted, but I would say the Prince is almost dead feeling. I think the Prince is a little more forgiving. I found that with the London I had to adjust my strokes to a more traditional style, where with the Prince I could play with more modern strokes. Both good racquets though. I have not tried the open pattern Tour, but I have heard that it is much less dead feeling and livelier.
     
  17. JackB1

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    Thread revival!!!

    Picked up a pair of these for the ridiculous sale price TW had them for.
    Should get them Monday. Will be interesting to see how they work with my current game. I last used the London over 2 years ago. Got em strung with Black Widow mains and Nvy crosses at 52/55.
     
  18. luishcorreia

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    I ordered one two days ago. Very good price. I regreat not ordering two. They are not availlable anymore :(
     
  19. Pneumated1

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    Don't worry. They'll flood the "For Sale" and "Used" sections very soon. Just keep an eye out:wink:
     
  20. vantageboy

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    Love it .I'm guessing he can p/u a couple from the Atlanta area soon....a city known for racquet prostitution.:shock::shock::shock:
     
  21. ruud5

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    Can somebody advice me what is the best multi string for this racket.

    1. Armfriendly
    2. Control
    3. Power
     
  22. JackB1

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    Power and control are usually at odds with each other.
    But I would go with a control oriented multi like NXT Control
    or FXP Tour or Rip Control.
     
  23. vantageboy

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    I like full gut 53m 50c. huge sweet spot at this tension.
     
  24. ruud5

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    Which type?
     
  25. vantageboy

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    String it using the 50/50 method. I like both wilson gut or pacific tough gut.
     
  26. JackB1

    JackB1 G.O.A.T.

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    Looks like the London is on the "endangered" list, now that TW has sold out and it's discontinued.

    Anyone know of any other online sources for new London's?
     
  27. JackB1

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    Got my 2 sale Londons tonite and they both weighed exactly 330 grams. Got lucky I guess :)
     
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    Boris Becker just checked out.
     
  29. ruud5

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    Somebody played with msv focus hex 1.18 (main) and msv Q10 1.30 (cross) with the London?

    Wich tension is recommended?
     
  30. Weaverpsu

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    Back in stock

    Somehow they got more of them!
     
  31. Stardust

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    ???! According to the TW specs they should weight 315 gr. strung? Isn't that a huge difference?
     
  32. mrrockstar

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    Bought it last week. Mine is 320gram, strung with Volkl Cyclone 16g
     
  33. Stardust

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    320 is OK! That's what I expect to have if I buy some... But 330 sounds anxious.
    Somewhere back to the thread I met and someone's input about 225 SW - it's too far from the specs as well...! Do you have some idea about the actual SW of your stick?
     
  34. JackB1

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    I have had over 6 Londons at one time or another and I think they ALL were around 325-330 with overgrip/dampener. Note that my og/dampener adds about 10 g's (7 for og/ 3 for dampener)
     
  35. Stardust

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    Holy crap! What's going on if somebody orders this stick for his kid relaying on the specifications to the TW online shop??!!! Where is 311 and where - 325-330? How did you measure this SW and how the TW staff obtained their value? How do they explain this?
     
  36. djNEiGht

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    After the Pure Drive Play racquet testing, I went back to my Londons. I've been going back and forth between my Prince POG OS and the London before the play test. So happy to be back to a familiar racquet. During my PD testing, I had to modify my 2nd serve. Those habits only improved my service game with the London.
     
  37. JackB1

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    You could ask TW for specific specs, but they charge $10 per racquet for the service. I wasn't talking about swingweight...I was talking about static weight.
     
  38. Stardust

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    Yes, but I was talking about your inputs here:
    and here:
    All that at page 9 of the present thread:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=362095&page=9
     
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  39. luishcorreia

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    After the honeymoon period.. I am not really feeling this racquet. Did anyone else found it stiff on off center shots?
     
  40. djNEiGht

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    I previously had lead at 3/9 & 5/7 plus leather. I was having trouble with stability and plow on off centered hits. When I picked up my 3rd London, I hit with it stock and found success with it. My technique had improved and I actually enjoyed it with out lead and just kept the leather grip. I'm not saying I hit a clean ball regularly or strike like an open player...

    IMO I would say off centered shots jar your arm on any racquet. Sorry the honeymoon period wore off with a bad experience. What string set up are you using?
     
  41. luishcorreia

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    I am using Kirschbaum Pro Line X at 53pounds. A rather arsh string. On the other one I am using GoldenSet Power Cord at a much lower tension (45).

    I will try a hybrid next time.
     
  42. samyunlee

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    A proud owner of 2 Londons. Exactly what I was looking for a player's stick in a light package.
     
  43. RollTrackTake

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    I just put a hybrid of NRG2 mains/ Pro Line X crosses. 54/52. Still playing the London as my Steam 99S backup. The weight and balance feel great to me on both mine.
     
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    I just bought two London's a month ago and still can't figure it out... Bought it because I strained my in ER rotator cuff in my shoulder and got severe arm pains. Thought London's where the solution to replace my m

    I tried full bed of proline II 18L @ 53lb. Worked ok but I was worried it would
     
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    Bugger. Accidently pressed submi on my iPhone
    Again...


    I just bought two London's a month ago and still can't figure it out... Bought it because I strained my in ER rotator cuff in my shoulder and got severe arm pains. Thought London's where the solution to replace my my mg rad mp but now I'm not sure.

    I tried full bed of proline II 18L @ 53lb on London. Worked ok but I was worried it would aggravate my arm so I took people's advice from this thread. 53 was too much power for me

    Tried rip control 16 at 57/54 but had no power or feel. That's a weird string-kinda love it or hate it.

    I tried rip control 16 main with proline II cross at 57/52 but that cut my string quick fast and didn't feel that great either.

    Now I have vs touch natural gut mains and yonex poly pro tour 125 @ 60/55. Feels awesome. Great feel, touch, crisp, good power, if not slightly too much still compared to the rad mp, but I still can't find my rhythm... And I feel a tingle in my arm from it...

    Tonight's hit I tried it side by side with my fresh restrung mg rad mp with a power 46/48 proline II /gosen sheep micro 18 and I think issued better with the rad. More control, and balls stayed in the court as it still had less power than the London's at 60/55 gut/poly... I don't know what to do.. I want to love these London's but can't find the magic ingredient because it is Soo string sensitve... Any ideas???
     
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    Ps- sorry about the grammar. Hard to type on iphone, esp with the small screen and auto correct
     
  47. dje31

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    The London is a bit of an odd duck. On paper, the specs sound golden, but everyone tries to mod it with no success, or making it worse. They get angry, thinking "why doesn't this work for me?!"

    It may be buried in the 70 pages of this thread as to what string / tension works better. The infamous, banned TMav was pretty helpful about this racquet, though few would heed his advice.

    Its specs are similar to the YTIG Prestige S, which seems to annoy / anger / baffle a lot of users as well. Maybe I just got lucky, as it works really well for me and my game.
     
  48. Overdrive

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    TMav is still here... with a different username.
     
  49. RiggensAuroraHO

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    My coach said that this racquet done right, plays like magic. He still plays with the Tour, but coaches with the X10 Mid. I got this for you:

    "It is very string sensitive and very soft in many areas. If you add lead in one area, you need to add to other areas to some degree to balance it. It does not play well polarized because the throat section is very soft. Stringing it tight is OK. Just be mindful that the feel will be killed. Best advice is to make sure that whatever changes you make, that you add some lead inside the throat...'V' of the frame."
     
  50. JackB1

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    Funny how it's obvious to all of us, but not the TW mods???
     

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