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  1. Legend of Borg

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    Are any of you overly concerned with the potential leaching of Bisphenol A from your plastic bottles (those of you who have them, at least)?

    I was reading up on the topic ever since I've gotten back to the gym and found some interesting info.

    Apparently, the #7 in a triangle stands for polycarbonate plastic which usually contains BPA. This article advertises aluminum and stainless steel bottles as the best choice.

    http://www.nrdc.org/thisgreenlife/0902.asp

    Other reports claim the leaching from the bottles is minimal after supposedly exposing them to brutal conditions.

    http://walking.about.com/od/hydration/f/bpafree.htm

    A third source actually claims BPA-free bottles are even more dangerous than their BPA counterparts.

    http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2011/05/09/bpa-free-plastics-may-actually-be-more-dangerous/


    What is everyone's opinion on this BPA craze?

    I've bought at least 3 different bottles in the last month, one of them BPA-free.
     
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    Mine has a large 7 right in the middle of the bottle.

    It's the least of many concerns.
     
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  3. Limpinhitter

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    BPA is a petroleum based synthetic estrogen that feminizes humans and animals, causes premature development in females, impairs male fertility and masculinity, and is the most dangerous to fetuses.

    In addition:

    "More than 200 animal studies have linked ingesting minute amounts of the substance to a range of reproductive problems, brain damage, immune deficiencies, metabolic abnormalities, and behavioral oddities like hyperactivity, learning deficits and reduced maternal willingness to nurse offspring."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/dining/24chem.html
     
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    I've questioned the "BPA Craze" as of late myself. Being an engineer first, I recognize that everything gives off something of itself under the right conditions. I'm just concerned with how quickly and readily these products release "toxins". I tend to buy BPA-free bottles because, like the links point out, there are some studies that does show leaching. And as mentioned, studies have also show estrogenic effects from BPA. I guess if more studies were done on other plastics, I'd move to steel or aluminum water bottles.
     
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    Ehhhh! I've read that aluminum is associated with Alzheimer's. :-?

    Plastic with recycle numbers 1, 2 and 5 are suppposed to be the most stable.

    Numbers 3, 6 and 7 are supposed to be the worst. 3 and 7 are polyvinyl choride (PVC) and leach BPA. 6 is polysyrene (ie: styrofoam), and leaches styrene, a known carcinogen.
     
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    Looks like the jury's still out on the aluminum connection to Alzheimers. Check out myth No. 4 from the link below.

    http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp

    Like plastic, aluminum is part of our every day lives so if it does cause problems, we're all in big trouble.
     
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    You got the last part right! How does it feel to be a dinosaur waiting to happen? BTW, look up and check out my edited post on the different recycle numbers.

    PS: Conspicuously missing from that article is the source of the opinion and/or funding of any study concluding that aluminum is not implicated in Alzheimers. The American Plastics Counsil funded studies concluded that BPA did not have any biologic effects. What a surprise!
     
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    I'll have to keep and eye out for these numbers. With 3 and 7 being PVC, isn't there a concern that some plumbing/fittings are PVC? A lot of new construction I see seems to use PVC heavily. Just one more thing to be concerned about I guess.
     
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    Yes!

    "PVC poses hazards to human health over the course of its life cycle. PVC production exposes workers and communities to vinyl chloride and other toxic substances. PVC products such as medical equipment and children’s toys can leach toxic additives during their useful life. Vinyl building materials release hydrochloric acid fumes if they catch fire, and burning PVC creates byproducts including dioxin, a potent carcinogen."

    "Around the world and throughout the US, a variety of community, state, and national government initiatives have been undertaken to promote the use of safer alternatives to PVC. Many health care institutions have made statements on the need to reduce or eliminate PVC use. The auto industry and other major industries have taken numerous steps to incorporate alternatives to PVC into their products. In addition, countless innovative construction projects have demonstrated the practicality of reducing or eliminating PVC use. . . ."

    http://www.healthybuilding.net/pvc/Economics_Of_Phasing_Out_PVC.pdf
     
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  10. eidolonshinobi

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    I have 3 stainless steel water bottles everytime I go out to the courts. I find that they stay cold much much longer (especially when inside one of the thermal compartments in the tennis bag).

    Doing my part to not use plastic water bottles.
     
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    Some of our docs did a study on plastics and endometriosis. It was a multi-million dollar award and went on for a number of years.

    From what I read, the results were pretty scary.

    This is not a link to the study.

    http://www.endometriosisassn.org/pvc.html

    My drinking glasses are glass. Everything just tastes better. Plastic always has a taste. Metal does too.

    I switched over to pyrex storage containers. I use mostly metal cooking utensils (plastic spatula and rubber scraper). I bought a high quality teflon coated skillet that doesn't **seem** to be flaking. Everything else is stainless.

    My coffee cup is metal however. It doubles as a water bottle in the gym in the morning and on court (though I guess the water coolers on court are plastic).

    Reading my link, I imagine my house plumbing is mostly PVC.
     
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    Same here, anything I consume out of (e.g kitchen utensils etc) I'll spend a few extra dollars for quality.

    I love my Pyrex! Great for homemade lunches :)
     
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    Nalgene removed BPA from all their products a while ago, though claiming their bottles containing BPA are still safe.

    They have a section on the BPA controversy on their website:
    http://nalgene.com/bpa-info/

    That's what they write about the 7:

    As for me, I use one of these and I'm not overly concerned. I don't know wheter my BPA free bottle is actually better, though.
     
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    That's a good question. I've been using a Nalgene bottle made of Eastman Tritan (BPA free) for the past year.

    Eastman claims that it has tested its monomers for endocrine disruption and that studies show no tendency to bind to hormone receptors. A competing brand, PlastiPure claims that Tritan does release endocrine disruptors. It would be nice to know the truth.

    Glass is definitely the preferable material to use for drinking out of, but I'd break a glass bottle if I carried it in my tennis bag.
     
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    As can be seen from my post above, and the links I provided, BPA is only one of several toxic chemicals that leach from petroleum based plastic in to the food contained in them.

    Also, I would respectfully submit that "studies" conducted by an entity with a financial interest in the outcome, or which are paid for by an entity with a financial interest in the outcome, are inherently biased and unreliable.
     
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    Cans have BPA also.
    Soft-drink cans are treated with a BPA-containing liner to prevent drinks from coming into contact with metal.

    Then there's canned food with lining.

    Some receipts have a lot of it also.

    Another place is storage containers, this means the can, glass or whatever can be BPA free but it already has some from where it was stored.

    The government says it's not enough to have any detrimental effects if that makes you feel safer.
     
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    Not exactly!

    The corporations who sell BPA tainted plastics are in control of the government regulatory agencies that are supposed to be regulating them (and protecting the public from the abuses of industry), the same way that drug and chemical companies are in control of the FDA and USDA. These corporations fund their own "studies." Then, these "captive agencies" - which have been stripped of their regulatory and enforcement power by Congress (because Congress is now also bought and paid for by the same corporations), and which are headed up by the lawyers and executives of the same industry they are supposed to regulate (because they are nominated by an executive who is also bought and paid for by the same corporations) - rubber stamp such studies as established science because they have no other choice. Even if they had the funding to regulate and enforce, they're under the leadership of industry shills. It's a joke! Welcome to the united corporations of America.
     
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  18. volleygirl

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    Youre worried about BPA when we have all the tainted products coming over from China?
     
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  19. Limpinhitter

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    Most of them are probably tainted by BPA! lol!
     
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    HA As well as god knows what else.
     
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    Yup. You hit it right on the head. You cannot trust these studies anymore. I wish I could get some of the old glass Gatorade containers. Those were great. I think I will be swithcing to glass very soon.

    What we really need are wood water containers.
     
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    Youre right. These studies are about as worthless as the corrupted views in all the Global Warming studies. When they doctor the evidence, sure the reports are gonna say what they want them to say.
     
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    Not exactly! Most global warming studies have been conducted by academics who have no financial interest in the outcome. I know of no studies conducted or financed by, for example, the solar panel industry. As if it could afford such a study if it wanted one. Correct me if you find one.

    On the other hand, the entire global warming denial movement is the invention of Exxon/Mobil who has invested millions to confuse and mislead the public with their phony front groups and paid hack scientists. Public confusion about the issue is Exxon/Mobil's express goal. In fact, I have yet to hear from a single putative scientist who publicly disputed the truth of global warming who wasn't on Exxon/Mobil's payroll, directly or indirectly.
     
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    At this point it is probably pretty difficult to find a non give-away bottle that has BPA.
     
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    I disagree. Everyone has financial and political (same thing) stakes involved. Academics especially being that they are primarily liberal based institutions.

    If people really care about the environment they would go back to glass reusable bottles and stop buying cases and cases of throw away plastic water bottles which continue to clutter up landfills every day. There is just more profit by useing cheap plastic.

    Nobody cares about the environment anymore. Its the profit to be made by pretending to save the environment that they care about. That and getting groups of people to support political agendas.
     
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    AHAHAHA Youre joking right? They have no financial
    interest in pushing global warming? What would you call the millions and millions of dollars that they are receiving in government grants which would dry up if these studies showed that global warming was just a hoax? How about the BILLIONS that GE has taken from the govt to come up with the so called "green" energies? They have already been exposed to at least be tampering with the global temperatures abd in emails to make sure that NO research would go public that didnt fit their views on the issue. You have to be joking if you believe they have no financial interest.
     
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    What? Nobody cares about the environment? You should try getting some information from other than Fox Noise. The only persons I'm aware of who don't care about the environment are those in the business of selling something that poisons the environment, and morons who watch Fox Noise.

    Second, calling something "liberal based institution" is a meaningless statement that amounts to nothing more than parroting corporate propaganda. Corporatists try to poison the debate by labeling anyone who opposes their profit motive view as a liberal, as if that were a pejorative. Not all academics are on the take from corporatists. Some are. Those who are are inherently biased, IMO. Being liberal only serves to make an academic more able to disregard outside influences.
     
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    Really? Be specific. Explain exactly what GE has done to mislead and confuse the public and/or pay scientists to lie about the evidence of global warming in order to mislead and/or confuse the public. Go! PS: Glenn Beck is an established liar and not a reliable source!

    Exxon/Mobil is in the business of making tens of billions of dollars selling a product that poisons the environment in inumerable ways. Not only does burning oil for energy poison the atmoshpere, virtually all plastics, polymers, chemicals, pesticides, fertilizers and many other products are derived from petroleum that poison the air, water and soil. Exxon/Mobil invented the global warming denial movement, manufactured phony front groups and paid scientists to make false statements for the express purpose of creating public confusion and misinformation on the subject.
     
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    ah, your one of those people.

    Little hint for ya. And some reality.

    Corperations.....Bush....Obama.....Environmentalists.....Banks....All work together to exploit everybody else by playing groups of people against each other while they joke about it all behind closed doors.

    Nobody gives a darn about you, poor people, the environment .......whatever. So lets get over this ideology stuff because its all a farce. There is simply those that exploit and those who are exploited. You sound like you are currently stuck in the latter. Liberals are just the worst of the bunch. Whether they call themselves democrats or republicans doesnt really matter. Liberals exploit...thats what they do and have done throughout history.
     
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    Yes, I'm one of those people who are highly educated, and who are trained in independent, critical, analytical thinking. Your use of the term liberal as a pejorative demonstrates that you are not one of those people. The notion that "liberals exploit" is another meaningless catch phrase that you are parroting from the propaganda you taint yourself with. But, feel free to cite an example if you can.

    History establishes that capitalists exploit. That's what they're supposed to do, and anyone who can think understands that. That's why, as history has also established, they must be regulated to protect public health, safety and welfare.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana
     
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    Yes Gandor the great. Tell me more how intelligent you are to show your ignorance.

    This is not rocket science. All you have to do is watch people by their actions and not their words. Your being a blind political follower.

    I never said capitolist dont exploit you silly twit. You think liberals are not capitolists? You need to throw all the spin and labels out the window and just observe people and how they operate. Read some philosophy and sociology and stop looking at propoganda about governmment hooplah.

    What people say and what they do are very different things. Especially in areas of money and politics.
     
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    "Capitolists?" Hahaha! You must be a sign maker for teabag rallies. Bahahaha . . . ehem! As to the rest of your blatherings about spin and labels: Pot, meet kettle.
     
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    I thought the the "Rants and Raves" section was closed?

    Politics in a BPA-free bottle thread?
     
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    But, he said "capitolists," c'mon! Oh wait, maybe he was referring to DC residents. Bahahahahahaha . . . !


    I'll show myself out!
     
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    It all had to do with BPA believe it or not. Limpinhitter just has a lot of anger in him and likes to argue. So I just played along.

    I stick by my original advice with those concerned with BPA.

    Use glass like the old days.
     
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    Found this article for those concerned:

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...wed-arteries.aspx?e_cid=20120908_DNL_artNew_2



     
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    Haven't used plastic drinks bottle for a few years now due to BPA.

    Stayed away from Aluminium ones too as the insides are lines with plastic.

    Been using Klean Kanteen for the last 12 mths, great bottles, easy to clean.
     
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    It is easy to get non-BPA water bottles now, but I am far too poorly educated on plastics and plasticizers to know if the replacement plastics are any safer. I definitely have suspicions.

    Glass is a far superior material for holding drinks, but breakage is still a problem with sports bottles. I use glass at home and non-BPA nalgene bottles for sports. Perhaps the stainless steel would be superior.
     
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    I trust nobody microwaves food with plastic "saran" wrap touching it.
     
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    I do. Is that bad?
     
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    Glass or stainless steel are the best containers to use. They are largely non-reactive and do not require plastic coating like aluminum or other metals do...
     
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    Yes!


    To be such a health nut and judgemental at times regarding exercise or lack there of; I'm surprised you don't know this :confused:
     
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    Food grade stainless steel is what you want for a water bottle. Glass is fine as well but obviously impractical. Avoid alu and reusing plastic bottles.
     
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