Brad Gilbert clearly states Fed needs a racquet change

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  1. RoddickistheMan

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    Claims it would benefit him most right here right after the match. Yes Pmac says sampras had the same dilemma but still won the US open however Sampras himself says he wished he switched. Im sorry to say but I think Fed's movement just isnt where it needs to be these days. He can benefit from some boost of power or ease of play.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPFdwkaeFzE
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    And what does Brad Gilbert know? How many Slams did he win?

    And if Sampras had switched and stopped winning Slams, do you know what he'd be saying today? "Darn, I should have never switched from my trusty PS 85!". :)
     
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  3. Nostradamus

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    Brad gilbert is smarter than Sampras and Federer. Just not as talented in tennis abililty. There is a Big difference
     
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    I can clearly state with 100% confidence that he knows way more about tennis than you ever will. He coached Agassi back to greatness and helped Roddick win his only grandslam. An yes Sampras did say he wished he switched equipment earlier. You can find it on these threads. Gilbert wasnt that great of a player but he was one hell of a coach.
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    But that's a totally meaningless statement. How does Sampras know he would have won more if he switched? Maybe he would have lost more. Only hindsight is 20/20.

    And just because Gilbert isn't talented enough to use Federer's racquet doesn't mean that Federer isn't also.

    Oh, and why isn't Gilbert advocating that Nadal also switch to a bigger racquet seeing that Nadal lost even earlier and to an even lower ranked opponent?
     
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  6. BreakPoint

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    Lendl used a racquet that was even smaller than Sampras's or Federer's racquet. How many times did Gilbert beat Lendl? I thought so. :???:
     
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  7. RoddickistheMan

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    Gilbert isnt advocating it because Nadal isnt shanking every other shot like Fed was. Nadal was limping towards the end of that match.
     
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    like I said, Gilbert is smarter than Lendle, not as gifted in tennis ability. that is all
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    Federer takes the ball earlier off the bounce than Nadal does. It has nothing to do with their racquets.
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    If you can't figure out how to beat someone after 16 tries, I don't think you're very smart.
     
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    Dana, Brad's younger sister, called Brad a PUSHER in the late '70's.
    I should swing by his shop in SanRafael and confront him with this.
     
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    My god!!!! He was totally out played and rushed by a guy who served and volleyed like a god on the day! It happens, it's not the racket.
     
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    I think all of the top players are using 100 inch and not missing a lot or say way Roger miss hit (unforce error or whatever we call it)

    He should try 95 not 100 for few matches or 250 points event (just to see how he does in actual matches)

    You don't want to regard anything after your playing days (like Pete or Jim regards for not trying bigger frame)

    I love this face of Roger as if WTF happen I don't know... kidding..

    http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/championships-wimbledon-2013-day-three-20130626-203732-843.html
     
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  14. realplayer

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    He could try a 95. A bigger headsize doesn't match with his classic playing style.
     
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    BreakPoint is and will forever be the bannerman for mids.
     
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    so if he should why hasn't he? has Wilson not tried to get him to switch. supposedly they bumped him up to 90in why couldn't they get him to 95?
    they probably have tried and Fed doesn't like it. so he should go out and play with something he doesn't like but will help him win.

    I think its strange that some of these guys never update their frame, but i am sure they have the option especially when they are number 1 in the world for so long and start to decline. But they choose not to, somehow I think if Fed really believed he would do just as well or better he would switch, if not then he is not very bright at all.

    I am sure in coaching BG might be a genius, but in commentary i have yet to hear him say much that i consider all that bright.
     
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    He sure is:)I like Breakpoint, I really do!I have just always wondered why he defends the mids until the bitter end??
    I use a mid myself, and I love it...But, I have to admit, even though Breakpoint has some very valid points, I always am shocked that Federer shanks so much more than his oppenents...Talentwise he is superior to most of the field, but Stakhovsky's one handed backhand looked superior to Fed's today.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    I can lose to a 4.5 player more than 50 matches, don't mean I'm dumb.
    It means I'm not at his level.
     
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  19. Fearsome Forehand

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    Fed needs to be 5 to 10 years younger. He has hit the age where his best tennis is behind him. Don't think the frame is his problem.
     
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  20. realplayer

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    Federer says he has not the time to try it out.
     
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  21. ENJOY TENNIS

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    Why not Federer try a new equipment for the rest of 2013 season?
     
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  22. Velvet Ga el

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    How many times will you need to play 50-year-old Michael Jordan in basketball before you "learn" how to beat him?
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    Didn't Brad Gilbert write a book called "Winning Ugly", which is supposed to tell you how to beat opponents who are better than you are by out-smarting them?
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    Actually, Federer also said that he did try bigger racquets but he didn't like them. In fact, Dimitrov's 93 sq. in. ProStaff was originally made for Federer but it turned out Federer didn't like it after he tried it so Wilson gave it to Dimitrov to use.
     
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  25. The Isomotion31

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    Go oversize and extended as a joke, throw everyone for a loop.

    It will definitely be interesting to see if Fed does change his equipment.

    I would imagine it could/would hit his pride a little bit though.
     
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  26. LeeD

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    Federer beats 498 out of the top 500 ATP pros with his current racket.
    If he switched to your favored Weed racket, he would lose to a few more, while playing Nadal a little tougher, and still lose.
     
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  27. Velvet Ga el

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    And had you picked up a copy, you'd have seen from the back cover that it was aimed at . . . recreational tennis players. You know, those folks who don't know how to maximize their mental skills in tennis.

    The fact that a guy with as little athletic talent as Gilbert had more than a cup of coffee on the pro tour should tell you that he knows a bit about the mental side of tennis.

    Even then, though, it's not really about Gilbert himself. Instead, it's about the opinion he's expressed, an opinion which nothing you've posted in this thread thus far rebuts.

    He may be right, he may be wrong, but I know without fail that you have yet to adequately attack that opinion.
     
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  28. hrstrat57

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    ...he did chunk a few today...maybe I am coming around on this racquet size increase thingy for Fed
     
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  29. LeeD

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    Not only do old people lose some vision, lose some athleticism, lose some quickness, and lose some stoke, but the young guns are hitting harder and more precise just to beat the "old man".
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    It's easy. Gilbert is not Federer. Federer is Federer. Gilbert couldn't hit the ball like Federer if his life depended on it so how would he know what racquet Federer should use? There, done deal. Case closed!
     
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  31. Nostradamus

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    It may not work. How does Gilbert know that bigger size racket head and more power will work for Roger. ? Roger may not even be able to control such racket. He might make 3 X more UFE than now
     
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    why does brad need a slam to know anything? Just because someone is a pro doesn't mean they know what they are doing
     
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  33. Velvet Ga el

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    And so Federer should fire Paul Annacone as his coach, because Paul has never succeeded at the level Roger has reached and thus can't teach Roger anything he doesn't already know how to fix himself?

    Amirite?
     
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    fed got beat because he was hitting too many chips back , not enough power and hitting too many shots out , alot of mishits, and needs more power
     
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  35. realplayer

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    Actually...this is what Federer said:

    Its 90-square-inch head is the smallest in use by a leading player. Nadal’s and Djokovic’s rackets have 100-square-inch heads. Federer, like Pete Sampras before him, has been hearing suggestions that he switch to a larger head to cut down on mis-hits.

    “I’ve tried bigger,” Federer said. “The problem is we don’t have enough time to do racket testing, you know? I’m always talking to Wilson about: ‘What else do you have? What else can we test?’ And who knows? Maybe down the road, I’ll change again.”

    The other issue is psychological: Federer has won 16 Grand Slam singles titles and just reached the French Open final. “It’s also hard to change with all the success I’ve had with the racket,” he said.
     
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  36. Bobby Jr

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    Which is very easy to say in hindsight. If Sampras had been at all serious he would have tried stuff but I recall once reading he never even went to that bother after the mid 90s - he was just happy with what he got out of his existing equipment.
     
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  37. realplayer

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    @Breakpoint

    I'm looking for the info about Dimitrov using the racket that was originally designed for Federer.
    Do you have a link where i can find this info?
     
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  38. elpolaco84

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    Sampras said he wanted a bigger racket just for RG
     
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  39. Down_the_line

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    Don't be so ignorant man.
     
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  40. ENJOY TENNIS

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    We are trying to support Federer, but he will want to improve their game. Today, his game do not hurt anymore. He needs a more powerful and aggressive tennis. His opponents have time to reach his shots. If he not try anything different, nothying is change, and he will continue to descend...........
     
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  41. Mick

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    Federer is just a little bit slower than he was at his prime. a Bigger racquet can't help make him quicker.
     
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  42. Shaolin

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    Fed undoubtedly has tried bigger racquets in practice. If he thought it would help he would've switched already.
     
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  43. BreakPoint

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    So if you're totally clueless then you can also win 17 Slams and be the greatest of all time? OK, I'll work on that. :)
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    Do you hear Annacone saying that Federer needs to change his racquet? He knows what he knows and more importantly, he knows what he doesn't know. That's what makes him a great coach. Gilbert is all talk with very little substance and thinks he knows it all. That's probably why he's been fired so many times as a coach.
     
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  45. BreakPoint

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    Yes, because a bigger racquet always means more wins. That's why the best players throughout history have all used oversized racquets. Just ask Pam Shriver. :)
     
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  46. Rafa4Ever

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    Someone's doubting themselves about mids....
    Seriously though, there is no reason he can't go bigger. It can only help him. The only players who use the 90s among rec players are fed wannabes and people who think they're better than everyone else because they use a mid when they end up shanking every 5-6 balls because they can't handle the heavy high balls. Have fun buddy
     
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  47. bt johnson

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    The best ball striker in tennis used a 107 and hardly ever shanked a ball.

    Just sayin
     
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    That's what my DirecTV satellite sent down to my DVR. And still, Fed had BP's up the wazoo to take control of the match (5-5 in the 2nd, then 1-0 in the 3rd) - and won 1 less point.

    BG is a great guy; throws out some silly stuff to get things stirred up.
     
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    Nice logic, I guess we'll have to consult all those top level coaches that have won slams...oh wait..HARDLY ANY TOP LEVEL COACHES HAVE WON GRAND SLAMS!!!! Including Rogers.

    Like in most sports...those who can do, BUT often those who can are terrible at teaching how to. The fact is in many sports, including tennis, the champions do and have gotten a lot of good and valuable coaching from less than stellar players.

    Here's a short list, tennis and others...as players they were average at the top level..as coaches they've motivated and helped legends:

    Nick B, Paul Anacone, Mr. Williams (never played organized), Gilbert, Cahill, Pat Riley, Bill Parcells, and every horse trainer who's never BEEN A HORSE!:twisted:
     
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  50. GregN

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    I would reckon that there would be a large number of pros who have changed racquets, a lot of them for financial reasons, and their game has deteriorated quite drastically. I cant recall to many pros changing to a different style of frame ie larger head, or going from a players frame to a tweener, and improving.
    Maybe Verdasco is the exception at the moment. Not to sure Gilbert is as smart as has been suggested in this post as he played his career with the one grip for every shot, when a change to a western forehand, like everyone else was using, would have helped him.
     
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