Brad Gilbert--shouldn't use poly

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  1. Steve Huff

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    While watching a match the other day on TV (Sharapova vs Radwanska I think), Brad Gilbert said that 3.0 and 3.5 players should NOT be using polyester string. He also said that kids (he didn't elaborate) shouldn't either. Do you agree?
     
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  2. The Meat

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    Yep, they won't be able to fully reap the benefits.
     
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    There was a thread with Lendl talking about this and if I remember right, he does encourage his juniors to hit with poly.

    edit: Here it be.
     
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  4. Relinquis

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    i agree. multis, syn-gut and natural gut are all better choices than poly.

    the sticks are stiff enough as it is. no need to compound this with stiff strings that die and need to be restrung regularly or become both ineffective and uncomfortable.
     
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    Not wise...........

    We recently had to help a 16 yr old academy girl with her racquets because she had to have the nerve cut in her elbow, she was using poly string since she was 12. However, no one ever told her about poly string life, so she kept the poly in the racquets too long. She was injured several times over the 4 years but always thought it was because she was over playing. Now she can no longer use poly, only NG string for the time being; maybe a hybrid later on.

    Young and beginning players do not have the proper strokes or the strength to use poly strings and can really damage themselves.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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  6. tennisBIEST

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    We use poly hybrid's for our juniors in thinner gauges. Mosquito Bite in mains and syn gut in crosses ONLY after of course they learn the proper stroke techniques.
     
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    I was under the impression this was common knowledge. If you can't break syn gut in under 8-10 hours of hitting, then you really have no business considering using poly.
     
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  8. The Meat

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    15 hours or less, adding in the gauge factor and brand of synthetic gut.
     
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    He said the string was quite stiff. What was really funny is that Cliff Drysdale later said (I'm paraphrasing) "I'll have to disagree with you about the poly string. I tried it and thought it felt comfortable".

    Brad Gilbert didn't respond which I thought was nice of him.
     
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    Not all polys are the same and can vary wildly in any category. Perhaps Gilbert was using Bablot Revenge while Drydale was using Turbotwister.
     
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    Brad always seems to know what's best about equipment. More guy should state that poly are not for everyone. Cliff Drysdale should shut up if he doesn't know what hes talking about, i also heard lot of smokers talking how cigarettes weren't bad for their health.
     
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    I suppose so, but how much more durable it a 15L syn gut? I broke 16 gauge nylon today after it had only been in my racket for 2 hours.
     
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    at what tension?
     
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  14. The Meat

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    Naturally break it(near the sweetspot) or framed it?
     
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    This was at 50. Normally I string between 53-58.
     
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    Middle of the sweetspot.
     
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    I find the newer polys quite soft and can't see that they affect my arm in any way.

    Moreover, they do indeed provide more spin as long as you have instruction in proper technique.

    So Gilbert is probably right if he's talking about neophytes, but people with some training who re-string regularly shouldn't be affected once past childhood.

    Tennis loves these macho stories about being too young for this or not being good enough for that.
     
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  18. Ess

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    Brad Gilbert, same bloke who claimed you couldn't hit top spin with a Yonex racquet. Maybe he should stick to coming up with cute nicknames. I agree with Bartelby.
     
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  19. The Meat

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    Did he really say that? As a retired professional, he of all people should know you can hit topspin with any racquet, even wood.
     
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    Sorry, but it's hard for me to believe that someone that played years on the pro circuit would say that.
     
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    Brad does not know **** about strings. Him and Johnny mac are not up to todays equipment. But I will agree that the younger players coming up should stay away from poly until they are adults.
     
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    He said something to the effect that 'Yonex is better for flat ball hitters.' ... Vaguely remember this. I think it might have been during a Wozniacki match and they were discussing her struggles when she went from Bab to Yonex. Whatever the comment was, I do remember going, 'Huh?' when he said it.
     
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  23. The Meat

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    "Today's players play with Luxilon strings, which gives them more spin."

    Luxilon isn't the only poly string out there.....
     
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    Drysdale was using 4G
     
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    Okay and your point is?
     
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  26. The Meat

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    That comment was directed to commentators, not to you.

    I'm just saying that whenever commentators mention the new technology such as strings, it's always Luxilon that they use as an example. There are a lot of poly's on the market, why couldn't they just say "poly gives you more spin?"
     
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  27. tlm

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    Ya it does seem like they think lux is the only poly made.
     
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    Yeah the barrier there is conveying to the viewer on how can a common material that's been around for a hundred years suddenly be the brand new thing which is changing the game of tennis.
    I can understand why they don't want to go down that rabbit hole even if I disagree with it.
     
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    That is not the logical conclusion based on the cause listed in your story. The logical conclusion is do not use dead poly.

    -SF
     
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    also consider tension of poly and gauge.

    I think 18 gauge poly at 45lb should be soft for any junior or adult.

    Since 18 break soon it won't last longer and chances are low to go dead or create arm pain.
     
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    Give me one good reason to recommend "soft" 18 gauge poly at 45 lb to just any junior or adult? What specific advantage it would give to just any junior or adult?
     
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    Do you see a lot of players with some training who restring regularly?
     
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    I know that I train with weights regularly and restring at least once a week.
     
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    Why would someone try to spin a poly for general public consumption?

    Brad Gilbert sounds like he speaks for public safety, not for corporate greed, like the other guy.
     
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    Don't really see a lot of people restringing, but I do advise them to do so.

    No matter what they play with, most players seem to play until it breaks or hurts.

    Like a lot of things, strings could come with some consumer advice, rather than relying on oral advice.
     
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    And you consider yourself a player with "some" training, or an experienced one?

    People who are skilled enough or smart enough to restring regularly are probably less than 5% of playing population. That's why it's a shame when poly is being pushed on unsuspecting public.
     
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    There are plenty of players skilled enough to use poly, but whether they know or want to restring regularly is the problem.
     
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    I am just a solid club player that has had some training and works out to prevent injury. In most cases if tennis players did specific training to prevent injuries like the throwers ten workout or other good forearm and shoulder workouts they could eliminate these injuries. Plus if you use poly strings you should definitely change them very often.

    I have players at my club that think I am wasting money by changing strings once a week. So yes you are right most players do not change poly anywhere near as often as they should. And they do not do enough strength training to prevent injury.
     
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    playing doubles?!

    Because a lot of pros use Luxilon.

    As to the health/training issue raised by others. I don't think that you can mitigate the stiffness of the strings (or frames for that matter) just with training. If you play regularly it's going to take more of a toll on your body over the years than softer strings in a more flexible frame.
     
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    Nope, all singles recently. Although, I do break strings quickly in Doubles since I hit with plenty of spin.
     
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    But if you don't use poly at all, you never have to worry about whether or not your poly is dead.

    Poly is stiff, period. Even right out of the package while you're stringing it.
     
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    There are two things that destroy the sport:
    hard courts and stiff strings
     
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    Working out and strength training do nothing to make your tendons less brittle, and micro tears in your elbow/wrist tendons are the most common injuries from using stiff strings.
     
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  44. The Meat

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    Hard courts are awesome, grass courts are even better!
     
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    The newer polys are not that much stiffer than nylon and nobody plays gut anymore.
     
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    The Head Sonic Pro, for example, is less stiff than the Prince syn gut with duraflex and the Gosen sheep micro.
     
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    It's not just about "stiffness". There are other properties to a material that define its impact on our joints and how the material deforms under stress and ages.

    You provided a good example:
    I played with both Head Sonic Pro and Gosen OGSM. Let me tell you, Head Sonic Pro is as "comfortable" fresh, as Gosen OGSM dead.
     
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    the strings i can choose and avoid poly, but hardcourts are infesting everywhere, not just the pro tour. need much more grass and some more clay. the occasional hardcourt is not bad, but playing tennis on it all the time is rough..

    at my main club, they're installing two additional hardcourts taking the total to 10. there isn't a single claycourt or grass court in the club. it's ridiculous!!
     
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    Now you're clutching at straws as you're invoking unknowns.

    We're presuming here that all the strings will be used correctly, rather than left in the frame for an eternity. If you do that then poly is not a good choice.



     
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    Oh really? Wait till consumers wake up to a fact that natural gut hybrids is more healthy and economical than poly based stringbeds. And TW forum and racquet technicians is the force to educate them. If anything, stringers can instill enough fear into customers to get them to cut out expensive stringjobs instead of waiting for months till string breaks.

    The only thing that drives poly strings market is ridiculous margins that manufacturers enjoy. How costly it is to extrude a string of plastic? Now compare it with natural gut string manufacturing process...
     
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