Breathe 2K10 McEnroe Edition

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  1. JoelDali

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    Picked up a pair tonight and wore them home. After proclaiming CB 2.3 as the GSOAT all year long I have developed plantar and my feet have been in horrible pain the past 3 months greatly affecting not only tennis but everyday walking. I have constant foot pain all day, and I have no idea what has caused it.

    I'm not sure if the CB 2.3 were the cause but I just had to buy the McEnroe 2Ks tonight and gamble the $100 on them, hoping my feet find some relief.

    They fit much wider than the Breathe Cage II and feel really great so far.

    Nice and roomy and stable.

    They look really nice in person, but it will be a pain matching these with tops and shorts...lol.

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    ...WHAT!? This is an outrage to the dedicated JoelDali Courtballistec association! But in all seriousness, I was heavily considering these shoes before but the no durability guarantee made me nervous because of my slidy right foot serve motion thingy.
     
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    my friend told me that the durability out of 10 is a 5, but the comfort out of 10 is a 9
     
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  4. T1000

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    JoeDali, the million dollar question is...... is the swoosh red or pink
     
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    Its suppose to be red. Its challenge red, which is quite red, but I must admit, in person the swoosh on the side is a lil pinkish. Its due to the faux carbon fiber material, as it shows lighter tones, thus looking quite pinkish. While the red on the midfoot shank is very red.
     
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    The dang swoosh is red. Staedtler is accurate that it may look pink to the weak minded but these shoes look great in person, look even better with some red, white, or black shorts, and even better, they FEEL great. I haven't had any durability issues but if I do I think I'd buy another pair (for the record, I rotate about four different pairs of non-durability shoes so I would wear through one pair less quickly anyway).
     
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  7. the mania

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    Look pink to the weak minded, nice one. Seriously I've had these since they cane out, fit and look great, since I'm rolling in cash, couldn't care less about a warranty.
     
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  8. gino

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    Well I can speak as someone who has used both shoes extensively. I ended up buying both at the same time.

    I have to say the Courtballistec will still prove GSOAT in about 8-9 weeks. I am a competitive junior player who needs to trust a pair of shoes. The upper of my 2K10's has gone completely soft while my CB 2.3's still play great.

    JD if you're having foot problems I say go for it. In regards to quality for us non-pros, I say the CB 2.3 is the best quality shoe. Berdych and who ever else is wearing the 2K10 currently gets a new pair for almost every match. I think you'll come to appreciate the 2.3's stability and great performance.

    Let me know how it all develops.

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    I have tried both CB 2.3 and 2K10 and after some time on the court, I still think the CB 2.3 is a better shoe mainly because of it's stability.

    The only drawback of the CB 2.3 is the weight and narrow toe box. The 2K10 felt cushy and are quite comfortable but lack the snug fit of the CB 2.3. My arch felt much better using CB 2.3 than the 2K10 so I guess to each their own.
     
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    CB 2.3's gave me shin splints. I never get splints. A great shoe, but the break in time is rough.
     
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    im not really too knowledgeable on the terms and such for foot conditions; what exactly is plantar fasciitis? because i get a really, really bad pain on the outside of my foot most of the time when i play tennis. it was the absolute worst in the vapor vi, pretty bad in the cage 2's and cb 1.3's and 2.3's, but so far in the 2k10's its not been too bad. in fact, the first time i had it was today when i had a hit at 8 in the morning; i was pretty late getting up, rushed to the courts and didn't really have much time to warm up. and after some time i felt the pain again, but after about half an hour, and constantly moving my feet around more so than usual, it seemed to relax a bit, and eventually stopped. i was in the 2k10's as well
     
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    i dont mean to tell you "I told you so" but










    TOLD YOU SO!
     
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  13. jeremy45

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    i got one already

    very very very comfortable
     
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    I'm still very attached to the CB 2.3. I have 4 pairs hanging around.

    I'm just trying to figure out what has fuched up my feet so badly.

    I think the culprit may be the pair of Nike flip flops I wear on long walks since the beginning of Summer.

    I cannot blame the CB 2.3 just yet at all, I just had to get a new pair of shoes for a new cushiony feeling and these Breathes looked too damn cool to pass up. I tried on the Adidias B6 but Jeeze they were too damn narrow.

    CB 2.3 are still an awesome shoe, I'm hardly abandoning them at all, or de-GSOATing them, I'm just gonna give the B2K 10 hours of play to see how it goes. They won't last more than 8 weeks I'm sure since they have the V6 sole.

    Plantar is a killer. I've never had foot pain and its brutal. Just sitting here typing this they feel raw and I havn't even played since Sunday.

    :eek:
     
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  16. jcstennis

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    got a pair 2 weeks ago... very happy with the shoe. i have a wide foot and there is plenty of space in this shoe... length is true to size. bends/pivots in the right spot. love the Vapor tongue, the Vapor sole, the cage breathes more than the BC II's, traction better than the BC II's. :)

    list of shoes prior to the 2K10:
    Babolat Propulse II Titanium
    Nike Vapor VI Black/Silver
    Nike Breathe Cage II
    Adidas Barricade IV
     
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    JoelDali - I had plantar fasciitis when I started to play tennis and it is something that you have to take time to rest and stretch those tendons. I got initially when I started back into tennis wearing the Asics Gel Resolution 2 which do not work with people with high arch although it was comfortable and cushioned.

    I switched to Vapor VI with Sof Athlete insole and that cured my foot issue until I found the CB 2.3s which I think are the best for people with mid to high arches coupled with the Sof insole. But I decided to give the Zoom2K10 a shot and notice that if I play for more than an hour, my foot starts acting up again so I am going to stick with CB 2.3s and hope that Nike fixes the narrow toe box.
     
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  18. chinobambino

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    a-ha! The flip flops shed new light on the subject! Many folks aggravate their plantar during the summer months, and it is the sunny weather and the corresponding flip flops that are primarily the reason. Podiatrists HATE non supportive flip flops (actually, scratch that...they are good for their business!), and recommend footwear with arch support for all types of footwear, especially flip flops. Without the arch support, you're stretching and collapsing the plantar fascia, and unfortunately the main remedy is to stay off your feet to reduce the inflammation. You should also rest, massage, stretch and look at orthotics for all footwear.

    Hope you get back on your feet soon!
     
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  19. gino

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    I have to admit they look B.A.

    Gino
     
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    plantar fasciitis treatment

    Hi
    There are many things you can do to treat your plantar fasciitis. I had plantar fasciitis for about two years and I discovered that treatment is individual. Things that work for one will not necessarily work for the other. The good news is that you have many treatments you can try but you must be persistent and patient.
    I have found a good plantar fasciitis treatment review website in:
    http://www.plantar-fasciitis-elrofeet.com/How_is_Plantar_Fasciitis_Treated.html
    There are many self care treatments ideas in there but I think you should consult a podiatrist before do something.
    Take care
     
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  21. JoelDali

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    Bingo. I agree.

    I'm convinced its the Nike flip flops.

    2 hour walks with my dog in them all Summer long, its gotta be it.

    Last night, after 3 sets I was in so much pain my buddy thought I was making excuses even though I won like 2, 1 and 3. LOL. I swear I could barely walk. The breathe 2K are not the answer, even though I love them now and will keep the CB 2.3 around. :)

    I'm never wearing flip flops again.

    I do feel this is a long term injury but it won't keep me off the courts.

    I'm going to get the Superfeet Orange from TW.

    Plantar is a killer. I could nto imagine being a runner having it. Impossible to run.
     
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  22. JoelDali

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    Thanks, great site.
     
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  23. JoelDali

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    Reddish pink............its not red or pink.
     
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    Joel, a lot of good stuff on plantar on the 'net recently..I've talked a lot of about it on these boards but the quick summary:

    -you have to treat the symptoms - a lot of times its regarding muscles that are pulling all the way down and finally ending on the plantar.. my own experience in this was due to calf muscle sticking to the bone near the top of the muscle..a couple deep tissue massages along with ART (2-3 sessions) and I was back w/out the orthotics,etc...a company called TriggerPoint makes quite a few products in this

    - more recent research showing in some people its dead tissue caused by lack of blood flow/cortisone shots/etc..for those suffering this way, often times its because the toes are no longer splayed out and constricts the blood flow..some people make a tool that splays the toes, looks like brass knuckles ..or you could get some socks by injinji I think that has spots for each toe.


    flip flops bad/birkenstock or something with an actual arch support =ok

    good luck
     
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  25. chinobambino

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    Take a look at these two sites that the WTA recommends to their athletes..
    http://www.yoursole.com/products/ and http://www.vasyli.com/index.html.
     
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  26. Gemini

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    You don't have to give up flip-flop sandals. They make them with arch support. I have a pair of Spenco "thong" sandals and they work well for me. Chaco is another brand that has a model with arch support.

    I've been using the Superfeet Blue in all of my tennis shoes and they've saved me from HUGE amounts of pain post-tennis as well as the following morning. I tried the Orange but the arches were a bit too high. The Blue is the perfect fit.

    Oh...and I think the 2K10's are a pinkish-red....

    Good luck!!!
     
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  27. Sinner

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    At the risk of turning this into a plantar-discussion thread, I made the mistake of trying to play in my Air Tech Challenge 2's (Hot Lava). After a few weeks, I started getting pain in my arches, which I web-diagnosed as possibly plantar fasciitis. Anyway, I treated it as PF and did the usual RICE, tennis-ball stretching, etc. After it improved, I switched to the Zoom Tennis Trainers. Point-being, the ATC2's were to soft and didn't offer enough arch support (I have flat feet), which was probably the cause of my pain. These new performance shoes, like the Ballistecs and these Breathe 2K10's should all offer enough support. I don't think your PF was the result of the 2.3's (prob flip-flops).

    Having said all that, I think these Mac editions look fantastic. I just wished they offer more colorways of the Breathe 2K10's
     
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  28. JoelDali

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    They are a great shoe but the sole blows for durability, but great traction on HC.

    I was a hater of the Breathe 2k initially only because the BC II were so narrow and caused me immense drama and personal devastation during the winter season last year. I saw a therapissed and then a fortune teller and she suggested that I move to the CB line but I did not like the 1.3 colorways, then the Oreos came out and blew us all away and changed the face of the game forever.

    These new Breathes are very roomy, comfortable and the Macs look amazing in person I think with all the subtle details like the checkboard tongue and artsy inserts. I wore them with black Fed shorts, and a black I love NYC tennis Tshirt from 2009. Love the shoes. Hate the Plantar.
     
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    ^ BTW, how do they fit? True-to-size? Did you go with your normal shoe size? thx
     
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    I have all three pairs, CB 2.3, Lunarlite, and 2k10, and for me, they all were the same size. The 2k10 has a very roomy toe box.
     
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    I love these shoes. Only gripe is that the swoosh is a bit stiff out of the box and digs into the outside of my foot a little but after that it's all gravy. They're holding up pretty well from the hard court pounding and sliding.
     
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  32. JoelDali

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    They feel like LunarLites but more stable. Very roomy for wide footed folks like me.

    True to size.

    No break in.
     
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  33. Sinner

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    Good to know... thanks fellas.
     
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    I've played 4 hours in these, threw the flip flops away and my feet feel much better.

    I'm gonna try the CB 2.3 again in a week and see if the flip flop theory is true.

    One thing I like about the B2K: they squeek whereas the CB 2.3 don't.
     
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    I'm on my second pair of these, wrecked the insides of a white pair in 6 months, which is fairly fast since I play on synthetic grass courts mainly. Now on a blue pair.

    I think these have a few hours of break in, but that's just my opinion.

    I really like how stable but soft they feel, I spend hours/days/weeks on end wearing these for coaching and I don't have any problems at all. The fit is perfect for my foot and I love the low to ground feel. The warmer Aussie summer months mean the cage airflowing system is great and keeps them feeling fresh all day.

    When the new line comes out I may try the new versions but if the sale price is good I will definitely stock up on a few pairs.
     
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  36. JoelDali

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    Yeah, I'm not concerned paying $100 for these. Looks like they'll last me a few months with less play in the fall.

    I really like them and think they look fantastic.

    I never liked the grey ones or the white ones but these and the blues are definitely cool.
     
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    I noticed that too. I love that sound.
     
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  38. the mania

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    So the shoes squeeks on purpose?
     
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  39. JoelDali

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    Well I fashioned a SqueekValve(tm) near the Lunarlon heel mechanisms to release and capture air at certain intervals. I put a flappy skin-like piece of silicon at the release valve point to make the high pitched sound. These generate the classic footwork squeeks you hear from Federer and years ago, Borg with his Diadoras.

    My B2Ks automatically squeek every 90-180 seconds, regardless if I'm on the court or not. At my age you need good footwork, or at least fool people into thinking you do both on and off the court.
     
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    lmao!!!!! :)
     
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    Wow.

    Just.

    Wow.

    I put the flip flops on tonight to walk the dog, and son of a gun my feet were in immediate pain.

    Unreal.

    So, to all those that have Plantar, watch what you're wearing.

    Bad fitting shoes or flip flops can destroy your feet very easily.

    I'm convinced of it.
     
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    Get some Birkenstocks to walk the dog, they have support.
     
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    I always knew you were secretly 97 and a half....
     
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  44. JoelDali

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    Joel Deli,,,,,My PF problem is Virtually CURED...........Halleluyaaa. had it for 2 years now....sick........ K-tape + Resveratrol did the Trick........YES.
    Anyway,,,do you think B2K 10 is bad if you have PF ? and CB is much better for PF ?? CB 2.3 is so heavy though....that is only thing i had trouble with....:???:
     
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  46. JoelDali

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    Eh, I played in the CB 2.3 last night before the dog walk, and its not the shoe. I'm glad since I invested so much into the CB and like them alot.

    I was in shock at the pain I felt when I tried the flip flops after many days of not wearing them. I felt huge pain in all parts of my feet, the Plantar was raging.

    The Breathe 2K10 are a great shoe too. I love how roomy they are - with 2 pairs of the thinner Nike dri fit socks they fit perfectly for me and feel great on my feet.

    I really like these alot and when they go on sale I will buy one pair.

    This has been a great year for Nike all around. Several GOAT nominations in all catagories.
     
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    how do these compare to the Resolution 2's?
     
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    I think they said Resolution 2 BAD for the plantar fascitis. that is bit odd since i use Resolution 2 to walk my dog in. but i do not play tennis in it.
     
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    I am Confused...?? so you are saying CB 2.3 is not good now....but CB is good for PF ???????? what is the difference ?? Are they not the same shoes ??:confused:
     
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  50. JoelDali

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    I've never worn Asics. They look too much like cheesey running shoes.
     
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