Broke 3 VS strings in 5h...

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  1. m2nk2

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    ...and I'm not exactly a pro player.

    So it's the first time ever I play with natural gut and they are quite expensive here in the UK, £45 for the string and stringing. So I was a bit disappointed when the first string broke after about 3 hours of hitting.

    It's the VS Team Black (or touch). I played in good dry conditions on tarmac, 55 tension.

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    It's the only picture I have so doesn't say much maybe.

    Then with my other racket, the string broke after just 1.5h of hitting. It was raining for the last hour.

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  2. m2nk2

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    So, the third time, with VS team mains (56) and ALU power rough crosses (54). The string broke after only 15-20 minutes!? The weather was a bit damp.

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    So is this supposed to happen or can I go back to the stringer and complain? I get the rackets strung at a professional place.
     
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  3. mikeler

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    Looks like you shanked it. It happens and is the player's fault.
     
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  4. m2nk2

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    Dunno, I did really clean shots on the shot they broke on. And it has never happened to me before that they brake this fast. But then I only played with poly of course.
     
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  5. Francis27

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    I think your grommets are worn out. And VS Team is a 17G so it would have a bit less durability
     
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    Dampness is a big factor. I've seen gut break on its own just from rain.
     
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  7. ricki

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    I thought that with poly in crosses it should last for hours and hours...
     
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  8. mikeler

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    The break is just below the grommet. Worth a check for sure, but I think the thin gauge is probably susceptible to shanks.
     
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    Yup, at least the first two breaks are right at the grommet. It is most likely your grommets are eating into the string. I once had to sand my racquet a bit after breaking a couple of strings jobs quickly at the same spot. The breaking stopped after the sanding.
     
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  10. m2nk2

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    I'll take some close ups near the grommet when I get back home!

    Cheers for the comments though!
     
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    Gut in an open pattern (1), stiffer frame (2), and damp conditions (3) = early breakage.

    Even one shank can weaken gut but the break can come later on a clean shot. If you are playing on clay that's also going to impact durability, as well as hitting with a lot of spin.

    In that frame I would use 16 or 15L gut if you really want gut. Some racquets are designed for poly, and I think this is one of those.

    Gut lasts a long time in mid to midplus, flexible frames. The more dense the pattern, the longer life you can get. The flatter you hit, the longer it lasts.
     
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  12. TennisCJC

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    Yes, check the grommets. Also, your stringer may have twisted or crimped the string at the grommet if it broke there instead of in the center.

    I am not a pro player either - old 4.0 that played 4.5 20+ years ago and a year of 5.0. But, I do use a fair amount of spin and hit reasonably hard and I have had good experiences with 16G gut in 16x19 pattern rackets as far as durability. I tend to use the mid-priced guts but Bab Tonic+ BallFeel, Pac Classic, and Klip Legend would give me about 15 quality hours and maybe have on for another couple matches after severe fraying.
     
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  13. m2nk2

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    Yeah, I don't think the grommet is the key here, also the string snapped in the middle where I hit the ball clean. And in the second pic below you can see how the other string is about go snap too, that's after 15-20 minutes of hitting.

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  14. scotus

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    My guess, based on how you wore off most of the black-dyed coating in just several hours, is that your playing style is more suited for polys/kevlar than gut.

    You probably are a baseliner with extreme power and topspin. You can still use gut, but you'll have to be able to shell out a lot of money to cover the expenses.

    The alternative guess is that the VS BT7 really sucks. (I have had a couple of people tell me it popped in their bag before the first use)
     
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    many of us on the board can break a 17g non-poly string in 1 hour though...
     
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  16. Lukhas

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    Well full gut in an Aero Pro Drive is already suicide. So at any gauge thinner than 15, I wouldn't even think about it. Grommets also can explain that, but yeah, not sure about full gut in such a frame, despite all the qualities it has.
     
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  17. gameboy

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    The resolution is not nearly good enough for us too see anything. Just make sure it does not feel sharp when you run your fingers on it.
     
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    Yeah, I guess I'll go back to full polys then. Just don't like the idea that APD+polys might break my arm one day lol

    Cheers for your comments!
     
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    ^There's still some solid multis out there you know.
     
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  20. tennis4josh

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    And the rain. By any chance were you playing on grass? In at least one picture it looks like the strings are pretty wet and the coating is wearing off all over the place. You seem to be making contact with ball towards the top of the racket.
     
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  21. tennis4josh

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    This looks like a combination of wet strings and hitting outside the sweet spot. See how the top 10 crosses are worn out with respect to crosses in lower half.
     
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  22. Rjtennis

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    Two of the sticks look like they got fairly wet and that probably contributed to it breaking premature. The other stick looks like it was just a shanked ball that broke the string I would use 16 gut mains and would use ALU regular instead of rough. You also should pull out a stick strung with synthetics when it's raining.
     
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  23. Doctor of Tennis

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    using cheap Indian natural gut in APD

    I just got an ADP strung up with cheap Indian gut and hit with it last night...seems like there is one spot close to the sweet spot looking kinda precarious to breakage and I only hit with it for like 30 min...

    I've used the same Indian gut on a pure drive and it doesn't seem to have the same problem.

    Wished I had known that APD and natural gut together is a bad combo...what other racquets should we not use natural gut?
     
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  24. Lukhas

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    ^Well, use Elasto Crosses. I wouldn't put gut in Wilson Steam S series, the reason is obvious. Neither would I in any Pure Drive-like racquet, already very powerful.
     
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  25. Rjtennis

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    The black VS doesn't wear like that, you can tell by looking at it that it got really wet and that is why it wore off. Secondly, the new VS is plenty durable if nothing else. People hate BT7 for many reason, but I haven't heard of it's durability really being questioned. Maybe I'm wrong??
     
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  26. Rjtennis

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    Using gut in an Aeropro isn't necessarily a bad idea. It just depends on your playing style. Also, I'm willing to bet it is the inconsistency in the Indian gut no weither you were using a Pure Drive or an Aeropro drive. Those two sticks will wear similarly with gut.
     
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  27. Doctor of Tennis

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    I play mostly from baseline, trying to hit like a certain clay GOAT (of course mostly failing miserably at that)...probably not a good style for natural gut, but I can't stand RPM and most polys...

    well, with the Pure Drive, the Indian gut feels awesome, lot's of touch, very comfortable, good spin, maybe a tad too powerful, I really enjoy hitting with it. I've probably put like 3-4 hrs on it, still going strong

    Indian gut on the APD on the other hand, feels terrible, tons of vibration despite having a nice rubber band on it, totally amplifies the "hollow" feeling many people complain about with the APD. In short, my APD feels like a pingy rocket launcher with this Indian gut. I kinda wish the strings broke...can't stand it.

    I got the strings from the same guy on the bay, although different batches, but he probably got them from the same source in India, so probably not too much different.
     
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  28. Lukhas

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    ^Well if you can't poly, multis still exist.
     
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