Broken Strings And Cell Phones

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    Two of my teammates had a weird situation in a match on Saturday. They told the following story after the match.

    They were playing doubles inside the bubble; the rest of the team was playing outdoors. Ninety-minute unofficiated timed matches.

    One teammate broke a string. She only had one racket. Her other racket was in the possession of the captain (in the trunk of her car -- why, I do not know), who was watching the outdoor courts play. The teammate picked up her cell phone, told one opponent she was going to call the captain to have her bring her the spare racket, and started dialing.

    Seeing this, the other opponent came over and said she wasn't allowed to use a cell phone during a match. The teammate said she was going to do it anyway because she needed the racket and because one opponent had said it was OK. I assume the captain brought the racket.

    Afterward, we were talking about how this should have been handled by all involved.

    My recollection was that you cannot leave the court to get a replacement racket, and if you do, time penalties accrue. I do not know if any time penalties are spelled out in our local rules. The tardiness penalties are 5 minutes = 1 game; 10 minutes = 2 games; 15 minutes = 3 games; 15+ = default.

    I told them I thought the rule was different if you need to leave the court for some other reason, like a wardrobe malfunction. In that case, I thought you could take a reasonable amount of time to address the problem, but rackets are the exception. Then again, maybe that only applies in officiated matches?

    I have no idea what the penalty is for using a cell phone during a match and whether it matters that one lady said it was OK and one said it was not. Would the penalty be a default? Could it be addressed by grievance after the match?

    Personally, I would find it highly irritating if an opponent brought one racket to a timed match and then needed to waste time securing a replacement. I always bring two rackets, and if one of my rackets is being strung, I bring a crummy racket from the garage.

    Still, I cannot imagine imposing such severe time penalties on an opponent who broke a string. Then again, I guess I could offer her my spare racket. Then again, what if she broke that one and I needed it myself . . . .
     
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  2. ollinger

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    Any delay, short of an obvious significant medical problem, during a timed match should be unacceptable. You'll have people keeping tiny folding knives in their back pocket so they can break a string if ahead with 15 minutes left to play.
     
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  3. Mike Y

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    I can't imagine stopping someone from using a cell phone so they can get a racket so they can continue the match.
     
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    What did we do before there were cellphones? :rolleyes:

    Not sure what I would have done. The angel on my shoulder says no-harm, no-foul, especially if the racket was brought promptly and play wasn't affected. The devil, though, says...read the Boy Scout motto. Either bring a spare or acquire one (from your partner, courtside teammate or even an opponent).
     
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  5. mikeler

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    C'mon, a league match and you bring only 1 racket! Maybe it is just me but I hate when people don't bring everything they need to a match.
     
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  6. floridatennisdude

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    She wasnt making a call. She was posting on TT to see whether or not 2 back doubles was a winning strategy.
     
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  7. zcarzach

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    I can certainly see the point about no phone calls (who's to say your player wasn't getting coaching on that phone call?), but at the same time its pretty ridiculous to object to a person getting another racquet. If there is an established penalty for delaying the match, then so be it, regardless of the source of delay.
     
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  8. Douggo

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    This woman's partner couldn't offer a backup?
     
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  9. Taxvictim

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    Lou Grant is right. The issue is not a small delay to get a racquet, it's that she took a longer delay to get exactly the backup racquet she wanted. No doubt there was some other racquet she could have used immediately handy.

    Unless her partner has left-handed racquets...
     
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    Not sure what the rules say, since (thankfully) I don't play timed matches here. But applying some common sense, I can see two issues:

    1. The delay caused by waiting for the replacement racquet
    2. The potential use of the cell phone to get coaching

    I would not object based on 2. That just seems mean-spirited. Clearly there was an obvious reason for making the call, and if the opponent was really worried about coaching, she could have just 'supervised' the call being made to ensure no funny business.

    The delay is more of an issue, especially if the team with the broken string was ahead at the time. If behind, a delay would not be in their favor.

    So were I the opponent, I would have done the following:

    If my team was ahead, I would let broken-string-gal do whatever she wants.
    If behind, I would let the phone call be made, but then insist that play resume immediately using any other racquet (surely between the three other people on the court there had to be at least one spare?), until the replacement racquet arrives.
     
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  11. cll30

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    Once when I was young and poor I only had one racquet, and during a match I broke a string at the beginning of the second set. Since I had no replacement I played the second set with the broken string and still won!
     
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  12. Alchemy-Z

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    No one else had a raquet she could borrow?
    I played a guy who had two sticks in his bag broke strings in both and I let him borrow my wifes raquet (that was in my bag) just to finish the match.
     
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  13. jdubbs

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    Cindy sure has some weird situations come up in her matches.

    Next up: "My lob hit off a seagull and in for a clean winner. Let or my point?"
     
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    Haha... but... true story:

    I had an opponent once call a let on me after I had hit a lob... he started backing up for the overhead, and then let it go by and called a 'hindrance' let, claiming that a low-flying seagull (or some other big bird - I'm no expert) that had just passed over the court had distracted him because he thought the ball was going to hit it (it didn't).

    No idea what the actual rule is for that, but I'm not the confrontational type on the court, so whatever... I gave him the let.
     
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  15. spiderman123

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    This was a one off phone call during a 4.0 level recreational league played by enthusiasts with no prize money on the line, right?
     
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  16. Cindysphinx

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    Hey, don't look at me. We didn't have any drama in our match. We just lost and went down without much of a fight.

    A squabble broke out on the adjacent court, however, and the league coordinator yelled at the top of his lungs, "Play on, ladies" a couple of times. Kind of distracting, but small potatoes, really.
     
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  17. spiderman123

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    NO WAY! Rules are rules!! Especially in timed matches. Next time you would say you cannot imagine imposing penalties on a player who was 5 min late because he/she was told an incorrect location for the match, by mistake.


    Yes, a very valid concern. Breaking strings of three rackets in a 4.0 match is a very common scenario. :roll:
     
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  18. jdubbs

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    This kind of reminds me why I didn't enjoy league play last year. Too much drama, too serious, too much doubles (I'm more of a singles player), too much politics. Adults taking a game way too seriously. This was at 4.0 as well so the level wasn't that high. I beat everyone on my team and still couldn't play singles.

    Let her make the damn call and get a racket. Come on.
     
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  19. spiderman123

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    Not if this was against the team that imposed a game penalty on them when they were late because of a speeding ticket.

    This is how tensions escalate. One team is ultra strict enforcer of every rule, with a justification, but expects leniency when they are at the receiving side. It would not be "just follow the rules" "but the rule is..." in that case.
     
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  20. jc4.0

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    OMG. Just one more reason I'm eternally thankful I don't play on Cindy's team. If the court drama isn't in her match, she has to broadcast the drama somebody else experienced (but there's always an epic).

    If someone's string broke, I'd let them go get another racquet out of the car. If a cell phone has to be used, then so be it - if all agree. I'd rather play out the match than waste so much time arguing about rules.

    I have two similar racquets at all times in my bag, but our club (and I would think almost every club and park) has "loaner" racquets for those who come less prepared. You shouldn't use a broken string as an excuse to retire from a match, or to win it because of "time violations". That's lame.
     
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  21. Cindysphinx

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    Wow, chill man. I use a gut hybrid, so it could break. Even in a 4.0 match.

    In fact, my partner broke her frame in a match last week. She had a spare, but she was out of sorts for the rest of the match.
     
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  22. MesQueUnClub

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    Yes. A horrible rule indeed... and this from the same woman that imposed game penalties for a team being a little late b'cos they were stopped by cops.

    Cry me a river.

    EDIT : Cindy and her team reminds me of our old 8.0 mxd dbls captain who always had to play the horrible opponents while everyone else on the team gets the nice ones and have a jolly good time. Most times her partner also get to play the nice opponents with her being the only one who has to deal with horrible ones. Happens every match without fail. Well, you get the point.
     
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  23. spiderman123

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    *You* have a problem only if:

    o Opponent breaks string and borrows your racket.
    o Opponent breaks that string as well.
    o You break the string of your racket.


    This is a very unlikely scenario. If #2 did not happen then you can simply take your racket back and it becomes the opponent's problem and you can start counting the minutes to figure out how much penalty to impose, according to the rules.
     
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    Cindy is GOATing the Fed GHOAT setup.

    Cinsanity(tm).

    [​IMG]
     
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    FWIW, from the 2012 Friend at Court:
     
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  26. Cindysphinx

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    Yeah, I guess that is right. It does conjure the fascinating image of my yanking my racket out of the opponents' hands! :)

    I suppose the penalties do make sense and are as justified as they are when players are late. Might as well enforce them.

    Assuming those penalties apply . . .
     
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  27. Cindysphinx

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    What does the PPS say about the amount of time? (Sorry, can't look it up at the moment.)

    And would that apply in an unofficiated match?
     
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  28. kylebarendrick

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    The PPS gives the standard time limits:
    • Delay between points or after warm-up
    • Violation of the 90-second changeover
    or 120-second set break provisions
    • Violation of the 3-minute Rest Period

    and assigns penalties as:
    First Offense ............................Warning
    Each additional violation .................One Point Penalty

    However, it only refers to tournaments and only allows penalties to be assigned by referees, chair umpires, and roving umpires. In a league match, if you wanted to go that route, I think your only choice would be to file a grievance if you wanted penalties assigned.
     
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  29. Staidhup

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    Come prepared to play or forfeit the match, which translates into having a least two racquet's. All racquet's should be strung at the same tension and be identical. Replacement grips, medical supports, sun glasses, sun screen, hats, water, should be in the bag. I wouldn't put up with this garbage at any level, it's disrespectful.
     
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  30. jc4.0

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    Finally - a photo of cin prin! yeah, I could take ya
     
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  31. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Erm, J.C., there are plenty of photos of Cindy scattered about TW, adn I can assure you she looks nothing like that. (well, do you still have teh Babolat, Cindy?)
     
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  32. Topaz

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    Are you playing Saturday Cindy? If so, I better not see any posts about our match!
     
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  33. Topaz

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    My 3.5 teammate broke a string last Saturday.

    A 4.0 teammate cracked her frame last Friday.

    Must be something in the water!
     
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    I still don't understand which side was ahead when the string broke? How long did it take the captain to bring the replacement racquet? Why did the player bring a spare racquet but leave it in her captain's car?
     
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    I would not have let the opponent make a phone call, but not because of the rules. I would not let them, because the captain was watching other matches and I would not want the phone ring to bother other players. Sure, the captain could have had it on vibrate, but who knows?

    I would have told the team to get the racquet if they want, but they would be penalized for the time wasted.
     
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  36. Cindysphinx

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    FWIW, I play on multiple teams.

    This was a DC team (90 minute timed matches). The other incident was a VA team (2 hour timed matches).

    Totally different people involved.
     
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  37. Cindysphinx

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    : snicker :

    Believe me, if something interesting happened, I would post about it. Don't worry, Topaz. I would make you out to be the hero no matter what. :)

    Alas, I have to play for a different team on Saturday. If I do have to play in your league on Saturday, however, I might have to play singles. Which would mean a 50% chance we would play each other.

    :cue ominous music:
     
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  38. Cindysphinx

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    I don't fully understand either.

    I see from TennisLink that we won that court -3 and -2. So we were probably ahead or maybe tied when the racket broke. Which would make the opponents furious if they feared they would time out while this lady sought out a racket.

    I am guessing the captain had the racket in his car because he had re-strung it?

    I have no idea how long it took for the captain to bring the racket. My guess is not very long. He was positioned near my outdoor court, which was by the parking lot. So he would have had to take the call, get the racket, jog over to the bubble and give it to her. Figure on 3-4 minutes?
     
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    I do still have the Babolat. Her Babolat looks bigger, though!

    All this talk of cracked frames is making me want to get new frames. That new PureDrive is pretty sweet. Maybe Christmas . . . .
     
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    Oooh, we are all rooting for this to happen - we want the blow-by-blow on the Cindy-Topaz super-smackdown!!!
     
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    It would be very predictable. It would go down like this:

    Cindy wins the toss. Hoping to bluff Topaz into thinking she has a killer serve, Cindy elects to serve.

    Cindy is broken at love.

    Topaz wins five straight games by moving Cindy 2.5 feet in any direction and watching Cindy stumble about smacking "winners"into the alleys.

    At 0-4, Cindy starts moonballing and hooking. The combination leaves Topaz so annoyed that Cindywins a game before Topaz closes it out.

    Cindy takes Topaz out to lunch to make up for the bad line calls.

    The End.
     
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  42. sureshs

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    What kind of wardrobe malfunctions have you observed or is that for a different thread?
     
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    Not sure if you'd consider shoes a part of wardrobe or equipment, but I've seen various shoe issues in my time (broken shoelace, tore through sole, etc). One time a teammate blew out a shoe and our coach was scrambling to find someone not currently pplaying with the same shoe size to swap shoes.
     
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  44. Topaz

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    Hahaha! I doubt it! I'm the one playing up, remember? And don't assume I'll be playing singles! ;)
     
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  45. mucat

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    Maybe the lady just wanted to show off her newer acquired swarovski crystal iphone cover??

    Girls... you can never tell what they actually want to do...
     
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  46. jc4.0

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    Just based on her personality I assumed this was the correct image. Somehow doubt she's a sharipova look-alike... but then, who is?
     
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  47. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    she looks more like a fitter Serena, actually, but w/e, you seem to follow her around and pick holes in her posts regardless..

    [​IMG]

    (hope you don't mind, Cindy, but it WAS in the Washington Post, so...)
     
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    Anyone will be a fitter version of Serena......
     
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    See, now I don't seem so crazy that I bring 6-7 sticks with me to every match... :razz:

    -Fuji
     
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  50. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    well, you do, but not for that reason... :)
     
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