Bud Collins and "the Grand Slam"

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  1. Lionheart392

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    Evert and Navratilova were not at their peak in 1988 but were still formidable opponents. Back then playing into your 30s was much more common wasn't it?
     
  2. kiki

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    1971 major finals: a close 7 guys race

    US Indoors: Laver b Newcombe
    AO: Rosewall b Ashe
    WCT:Rosewall b Laver
    IO:Laver beat Kodes
    FO:Kodes b Nastase
    W:Newcombe b Smith
    USO:Smith b Kodes
    Masters:Nastase vs Smith
     
  3. krosero

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    Djokovic is now 1 match away from sweeping all four Grand Slam titles. Three other men -- apart from Laver and Budge -- have gotten within 1 match:

    Crawford in 1933 (came within 1 set)
    Hoad in 1956 (within 2 sets)
    Federer in 2006 (within 2 sets)
    Federer in 2007 (within 2 sets)

    The spoilers were Perry in '33, Rosewall in '56, and Nadal in '06 and '07 and maybe this Sunday too...
     
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    Hingis in 1997 missed by one match too with the women.
     
  5. krosero

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    Not sure if you meant '98, when she came into the French holding the other three titles just like Djokovic does now; she lost that year in the semis to Seles.

    In '97 she lost to Majoli in the French final and might have gone on to take all four titles, since she had won the AO and did go on to win Wimbledon and the USO -- and if she had done that she would also have won a calendar Grand Slam. Federer might have done the same in '06 or '07.
     
  6. krosero

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    Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have all held 3 of the titles simultaneously, but this used to be rare. The start of the Open Era was a completely different situation, largely because so many players were skipping the AO.

    Borg never held 3 titles simultaneously. He came within 1 match of doing so in both '78 and '80; in each of those years he won RG and Wimbledon and went to the USO final.

    Connors came close just once, taking Wimbledon and the USO in '74 and going to the AO final in '75. His loss to Newcombe there was a close one, and if he had pulled it out I wonder if he would have entered the French. He had been denied the chance to pursue a campaign for the Grand Slam in '74, because he played World Team Tennis. But in '75 he didn't join WTT, so with the AO title under his belt he would have had a second chance at a Grand Slam. And at that time he was seen as virtually unbeatable, even with his loss to Newcombe, who was seen as his main challenger -- so you can imagine how the prospect of a Grand Slam would have loomed for Connors if he had managed to beat Newk.

    I just wonder if that would have been enough to get Connors to enter the French, after the bitterness of the '74 dispute.
     
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    I was under the impression that you meant if a player just won one more match they would have held all four majors at the same time. I thought that would be the case with Martina Hingis in 1997 since she was in the finals of the French and won the other three majors.
     
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    Between Laver and Federer, the only player to win 3 majors in a row was Sampras, with 1993 Wimbledon, the 1993 US Open and the 1994 Australian Open, before his ambitions of holding all 4 at the same time were thwarted by Courier in the quarter finals of the 1994 French Open.
     
  9. krosero

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    I was talking about precedents for what Djokovic is doing, ie, holding 3 titles simultaneously, then entering a fourth and making the final.

    Hingis held 3 titles when she entered the '98 French, though she only made the semis there. Still two matches away from sweeping all four.
     
  10. krosero

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    Yep, still 3 matches away.
     
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    Jack Crawford's name would be much more known today had he beaten Fred Perry in that 1933 US Championships final. In the big picture, Crawford didn't just lose the match, he lost tennis immortality.
     
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    And no one will remember who I'll Have Another is by Tuesday.
     
  13. Paul Murphy

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    He's right. The use of grand slam instead of major is wrong.
    But it's everywhere now and some people I speak to understand majors only as "slams".
     
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    Of course he's right. He knows more about tennis than anyone alive. Except D. Dell knows where all the bones are buried. I'll give Dell that.
     
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    Hi Joey, still banned, eh??

    Well anyway, I'm bumping this thread so as to take you out for a walk, to get ya some fresh air so to speak. So, how are things in Doucheville? You still mutually 'trading-off' with that other douche Mother Marjorie?

    Bye for now douchebag.

    :)
     
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    you miss your old friend Joe, don´t you DP?
    It´s o.k. to come out of the closet and admit it:)
     
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    Speaking of "missing someone". I miss Tennis Old Man.
     
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    Delete post.
     
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    well, the old man must have been before my time.
    but i miss joe pike, he was an original and a nutcase
     
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    Yes, I miss him too. Old Man could explain how he came to the 99:83 Laver/Rosewall balance.
     
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    Crawford should have won. Crawford had some asthma trouble, but not serious. His friends secretly plyed him with alcoholic drinks during the 1933 US final, and by the end of the third set, Crawford was unwittingly drunk and could no longer play.
     
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    LOL, This is hilarious. I do wonder who he is talking about. Can't we all appreciate beautiful movement on a court , or a perfect tennis body/ build in any gender? or do bisexuals have twice the gift, than the rest of us ?
     
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    Busted! :oops: - you got me tremblings-lol ..... and sometimes my own douchebaggery gets the better of me as well. ;-)
     
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    Wasn´t he known as "Gentleman Jack"?
     
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    Yeah, that´s always been the best method to beat an aussie:)
     
  26. Dan Lobb

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    In this case, Crawford was beaten by his own friends, who mistakenly thought they were doing him a favour.
    Crawford refused to take prescription medications for his asthma. Even then, there was some thought that drugs would unfairly enhance performance.
     
  27. Dan Lobb

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    What a crazy way to lose the Grand Slam!
     
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    Gentleman jack or crazy jack?
     
  29. Dan Lobb

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    Apparently, Crawford didn't realize he was being given booze in his drink. That's the story.
     

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