Bungalo Bill, et. al: Critique of my strokes (video)

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  1. jayserinos99

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  2. sanitarium

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    Hey, i'm a certified tennis instructor and i'm about a 4.5 so I can help you a bit.

    I think you can take your racquet back a bit further, maybe its the angle but probably a few more inches would give you a bit more backswing and momentum which brings me to my second point:

    after contact with the ball don't just swing across your chest and stand still, try to swing through the ball, and after your unit turn your body should push forward and land a step forward.

    Basically a little bit more knee bend and a little more extension, then after contact kind of follow the ball a bit / end up moving forward. Always try to move forward off a groundstroke, standing still or falling back is incorrect.
     
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  3. perfmode

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    When hitting your forehand, I noticed that you hesitated and paused in the middle of the swing. Try to get your timing dialed in so the motion is more fluid. That will result in better control and more pace.
     
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    As perfmode mentioned your motion should be smooth. We'd like to see you get the racquet ready a little earlier because you may run into hitting late.

    You seem really tight on the backhand. Use a firm grip, but not very tight. On the top backhand clip you didn't really use your legs. I would definetly incorporate your legs more into the shot. As you hit hit through the ball so your racquet should not whip across your body. Rather it should extend then come back.

    Your shots are looking pretty good.
     
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  5. Rickson

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    You have good follow-through. I think you could use a little more shoulder turn in your backhand, take more of a closed stance instead of a semi-open stance on the backhand.
     
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  6. Kobble

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    You should be extend towards the target more on the forehand. Overall, you have a good forehand.

    On the backhand you get into that cramped looking impact position I see often. Lots of players who hit the ball like that just try to set up the point with it, or just run around it. I can't tell you what the cause of it actually is, because I have never had that technique, but the obvious result is a bent lead arm. If you notice most of Agassi's backhands he leads with a straight arm. From looking at his technique compared to yours, I would say he has less tension in his stroke
     
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  7. TwistServe

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    I was taught to prefer to open stance forehand rather than close stance at the baseline. That way you get more knee bend and more racquet head speed.
     
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  8. Bungalo Bill

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    I think the above posters gave you some good advice.

    Let's get started. Some of this might be nit-picky but nevertheless it is areas I thought you might want to look at. It always helps to have a model. So since your backhand is more of a straight arm backhand I picked Hewitt as the model.

    Since I am conversing more and more with John Yandell, I want to thank him for providing these slo-mo films to the USPTA. They are great aids to us coaches and players so we can compare ourselves to the top players in the world.

    Like always, when you compare yourself to another players strokes, always start from the ground up. Watch the feet over and over again and compare it to yours, then once you note the diffences move up the body and then the swing. This is what I did for this video:

    FOOTWORK:

    You obviously are an advanced player, so I don't know if you know how to do the split step. You might want to watch Hewitt's footwork closely and see the differences in yours.

    Now the problem I am having is one is slo-mo and your video is normal speed - so that makes the little things difficult to spot on your video. So see if what I am saying is true and if it is seek to change it.

    One of the key differences for the backhand side is that Hewitts backleg is more dominant and looks stronger in the stroke then yours. This gives him the ability to push off and take a bigger step forward which allows him to gain aboout an extra 5 miles an hour on the ball but most importantly keeps the racquet path in line with the incoming ball longer. It could also be that he sets up quicker than you so he is able to push forward with more force and penetration.

    On both your films, the non-dominant leg (backleg) was not in ultimate command. In fact, I think the second film showed the left leg move towards the ball first, which forced an extra little quick step to get grounded. But since the ball was coming quickly, you couldnt step into it. That little step was your step forward. The previous film I dont think had a step forward. This tells me your brain is wanting to ground the front foot first, it is the dominant leg and the brain is firing signals to the front leg because it is not so sure how to get the back leg to take control. The brain needs to learn to switch dominance to the backleg which should be supplying the coordination and horsepower.

    Things to work on: Split step into the shots. Turn the leg closest to the ball first (or knee) to get the stroke moving. Step into the ball by having a solid foundation on your backleg. Notice the difference in Hewitts step into the ball vs. yours. Also note how Hewitt turns his body for the shot. Eliminate the extra studder step. Remember stepping into the shot lengthens the stroke for better contact.

    Drills: Hop on one leg (especially on the bakchand side) with the foot farhtest from the ball (I.e if your working on the backhand side you will be hopping on your left leg, then stepping out with the right leg since your left handed.

    BODY ROTATION AND POSTIONING:

    I would like to see a little more relaxing in the shoulder area as you swing forward. Stay loose in the shoulders.

    I like your contact zone and as far as I can tell your head is disciplined in the shot. I do think you can go a bit longer in the stroke and I think this will happen with that better step forward as described above. You're contacting the ball at the 45 degree angle which is very good.

    Things to work on: Flexibility training. Especially in the shoulders and back. I think you can get a bit more shoulder turn and with the step forward you will have a good solid backhand.

    Drills: None to speak of, just keep hitting. Find a good book on stretching and flexibility.

    SWING:

    You have a straight arm twohander. None better to learn from then Hewitt. Notice how loose his wrists are even though his arms are straight. Just for you to note that the straight arm twohander is just that, straight arms, but they are flexible especially in the wrists and grip. You need make a tad bigger "smile" on your backswing and forward swing and contact the ball. I think this will happen with a bit more relaxation. Make sure your posture is good throughout the swing like Hewitts.

    With that short step forward, you might have a tendency to pull away from the shot causing errors. I think if you educate your backleg on the backhand to take control you will solve a lot of errors that could crop up in yoru swing. Also, working on your judgement, I am sure at times you probably feel cramped on some shots. I think this might be because you are fast in the feet, but lazy with the back leg. Your brain takes an extra second to get the signals straight to fire the proper leg so the feet can work and on fast balls with no time to think, old signals fire which makes the dominant leg in the backhand stroke your front leg. Prpblems with crossing over may happen or not enough drive from the backleg could result when you need it most.

    Just an observation. I didnt comment on the forehand as I only had one view and one shot. But I can see that you might want a more continuous motion. Otherwise, eliminate the high loop and just bring your racquet back to the pause position you have and fire. Nothing wrong with that.

    Things to work on: Loosen the shoulders. A little more body turn for the backswing. I like your trying to touch your chin to each shoulder. Keep it up. Develop smoothness in all your strokes. Elminate hesitations or stalls on both sides.

    Drills: The best way to elminate stalls and relax is to hit slower balls for a long period of time. Then work your way up to faster and faster balls using the same unhindered stroke. Slower balls allow your brain to gain the necessary information to develop the right signals to fire the right muscles. If you hit with balls coming in too fast, the brain will be forced to "fight" its way through the learning process which usually means firing the same bad habit signals just to keep things going. You want to change patterns, so you must feed the brain slowly and let it learn.


    Enough of me, watch the master!

    http://www.uspta.com/html/e-lesson-twohand backhand.swf
     
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    Wow, Bungalo Bill, you are amazing
    Would you be willing do one for me also?
    Thanks
     
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  10. jayserinos99

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    you guy are great! i'm going to try to work on these things the next time i'm on the court. thanks again!
     
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  11. Bungalo Bill

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    Anytime you're ready.
     
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    bungalo bill = better than my old coach
     
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    "He's better than my old coach" AMEN TO THAT!!

    THE TW TOP TEN:

    1. BUNGALOW BILL (and his tennis tips)
    2. A Phil and Deuce swordfight of a thread
    2. Sliced Bread (or better yet, a peanut butter & strawberry jam
    sandwich with a cold 34 degree F / 1 degree C glass of milk)
    3. The "old" TW Message Board
    4. A bowl full of cheeries (or Anna Kornikovas, or both)
    5. A barrell full of monkeys - or - a bedroom full of banana Anna K's.
    6. Threads like the fairly recent "Are the French Racist Schmucks?"
    (where everything just dissolves into a hillarious chop fight,
    replete with the attendant indignation, self-serving
    hypernationalism, not to mention the not-so-thinly veiled
    ethnocentrism and dare I say it: self-serving revisionist history..
    .......er, am I getting carried away?)
    7. Sen. Jay Bullworth's raps (what happened to that guy anyway?)
    8. The old TW Message Board
    9. Pizza (really thin crust)
    10. (actually #10 should be #1 at the top o' the list, but fair is fair
    and since we're givin' Bungalow Bill his well-deserved "props"):
    10. Barbara Schett pounding on my door crying
    "Ich liebe Sie!!...Ich wollt zu bekommen iher Kinder!!"
     
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  15. Bungalo Bill

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    Gee, dont know what say to you guys, but thanks for the vote of confidence. Gets me kinda fired up! Bring those videos on!!! :)
     
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    I'm going to record about 10 minutes of points during the summer and I'll host them at my site in the fall for you to critique. Hopefully I can improve a lot while I'm back with my old coach for this limited amt of time.
     
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