Cahill: Federer is a better player now than he was 6-7 years ago

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  1. abmk

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  2. abmk

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    this is how it would be in reality :

    at any french open , sampras : 0 %

    wimbledon in the 90s , nadal : 15-20%

    wimbledon in the 2000s , nadal : 40%
     
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    Wow Pete Sampras with a 35-40% chance at RG against Rafael Nadal...and Nadal who has actually won the tournament twice with a 0% chance at Wimbledon.
     
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    90's clay has a bee in his bonnet about Federer. Something about Roger rubs him the wrong way, big time.
     
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    ^^

    maybe he means a 9-10 year old nadal :)

    except for borg, I don't see anyone having more than 30% chance vs rafa @ RG ...
     
  6. NLBwell

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    No question Federer at his peak was better than Federer now past his peak. I agree with Cahill in that he is probably a better "player." He's smarter, more rounded, and can execute more strategies. Even Cahill, however, said Federer was 1/4 step slower. Yes, he is slower and has less stamina - including recovering from earlier matches. I don't think his serve is as clutch, either. These things reduce his ability to win matches, even though his game may be technically better.
     
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  8. winstonplum

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    I don't care if he's better or not. The Federer I saw in the first two set last night was spectacular. Best backhand slice in tennis, bar none. No one's even close. And that forehand squash shot--just sick. I mean, I don't think I've seen a player use that shot over and over more effectively in one match. And Tomic isn't a mug. He was playing great tennis in those first sets. He was broken in the first game of the match and then it was tight, tight, tight through the breaker.

    I do believe Fed's competition is tougher now, but who cares? I was glad Nadal got Berdych and 1.0 Nole in 2010. Does that make those slams hollow? Don't make me laugh. A slam, is a slam, is a slam, just like Gertrude Stein said.
     
  9. Federer20042006

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    If he's a better player now, why aren't they gushing over his actual shot making as much now as they did back then? Hmmmmm.

    This "possibly the greatest player of all-time" guy has somehow NOT been the #1 player in the world the vast majority of the time since Rafa took it from him in 2008, but he's a better player now than in 2004-2007.

    In-form Safin needed 9-7 in the 5th to dispatch of Federer in the 2005 AO, but clearly he was no Berdych, who took him out in 4 in Wimbledon 2010 and US Open 2012.

    Federer needed to come back from 2 sets down against Falla in 2010 Wimbledon, and the same against Benneteau in 2012 Wimbledon...but he's a better player now.

    Thank God. Federer 2004-2007 would've probably lost to Falla and Benneteau at Wimbledon, then. It's only logical.
     
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    Cahill knows his stuff. I would say that Fed's peak began in 2012 and will go till 2016 - just in time for Rio.
     
  11. zagor

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    I don't exactly remember the context either so maybe you're right.

    Never denied I'm a Fed fan :)

    However, I don't like commentators acting like fanboys in general, the only commentator I really like to listen to is a Serbian fellow named Viskovic.
     
  12. joeri888

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    Good post from not fed's biggest fan. QFT
     
  13. Defcon

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    Nadal has a freak matchup with Fed - extreme left topspin more than anyone else, and hitting 99% to Feds backhand. That's not a 'place to go', that's an anomaly which was not to be repeated by anyone else.

    If nadal was a righty, he'd lose 99% of his matches vs Fed, there's no doubt about that at all.
     
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    You must have not been paying attention, people talk all the time how Berdych's highest level is the best ever and how he could have completely dominated the game if he was more dedicated :).

    Oh no doubt, from 2004-2007 Fed dropped 2 sets combined in the 1st week of Wimbledon, Benneteau and especially grasscourt beast Falla must be 10x better than those clowns the lesser version of Fed faced in 2004-2007.
     
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    People need to watch some videos of prime Fed - he used to rip the ball off both wings and was ultra aggressive, it was news when he lost games. Today Fed is more rounded and wiser, his defensive game has some new shots maybe, but he also needs to use it a lot more. The forehand is no longer the lethal shot it used to be - Fed used to routinely end the point at will and almost never ever lost the advantage I n a fh exchange. Now he spins it in much more often than ripping it.

    Another difference is the passing shots, Feds used to regularly hit those magic passers that made everyone go oooh, but now he's not fast enough and many times will hit it back for an easy putaway.

    Clutch serving is another area where Fed is not as good. They used to compare him to Sampras for the ability to hit aces when down. Not anymore. But the bp conversion has always been poor I think.
     
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    I actually agree with this, I think Agassi's perspective was skewered by him facing Fed in his 30s (even if Agassi was the best player in his 30s I've ever seen, his highest level of play was in 1995 and 1999), while I do think Fed is a better overall player than Sampras (by a small margin, they're close) there's little doubt in my mind Fed would have been an easier match-up for peak Agassi than Sampras.
     
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    No doubt about it son.

    Somewhat off topic but it will be amazing to see how much Nadal will improve his mental strength, BH and tactics by the time he reaches his peak at the age of 30, of course given that the field gets stronger/game evolves every year those improvements still might not be enough to make him a "part of the equation".
     
  18. TheFifthSet

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    In 9 attempts, Federer and Djokovic, both of whom are far superior to Pete on clay, couldn't even take Nadal to a 5th set at the French.

    Yet you believe that 2 out of every 5 times, Sampras would win against him.

    In short, what the hell is wrong with you?
     
  19. merlinpinpin

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    As Cahill would tell you, that's what great players do--they get better with age, always. It's a shame actually that Laver is not planning a comeback, he wouldn't lose a match in like forever with his much-improved game. The only ones who would have been able to stand against him would have been Tilden and Gonzales, had they been alive.

    Although I guess he would be shooled at Wimbledon by 152-year old William Renshaw, whose improvements would be too many to list in a blank version of the Bible.

    Or.

    You can also keep an open mind and see that, although today's Federer is more canny than he was at the time, he would stand no chance at all against a 6/7-year earlier version of himself (playing on the same form on the day, of course). Just like Nadal at 31 would have no chance at all against Nadal at 24 or 26.

    Oh, and today's Laver would lose to 1968's Laver 100 times out of 100, I would bet Cahill's house on that.
     
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    Federer bagled those 3 guys and won gs during this alleged strong era, so...
     
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    Federer is tactically better, than when he was in his peak. Unfortunately, that is not the only thing that defines "better".

    Corrected to suit the Vamos Brigade mentality.
     
  22. Apun94

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    1. I really hope you are kidding me when you say that Fed is uninspired these days. Why would he go on playing now when he has just won 2 majors in the last 3 years and is clearly not dominating like he used to. For a player of Fed's record and ego, thats big.
    2. NOPE. His BH is better that ever before. That's one of the reasons his ground game is still so good especially considering his inconsistent FH and decreased footspeed. Go watch the IW match against Nadal.
     
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    NOPE, he's very uninspired, flat and subpeak.


    Yeah, whatever, we'll see how much will your boy Rafa dominate from 2015 to 2018 and whether you'll sing the same tune then.

    Your hero said he was injured in IW so we can ignore that match.

    His BH was way better in 2007, watch his 2007 AO (whole tourney), 2007 FO final or his 2007 TMC SF against Rafa.
     
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    1. Okay let's do what you do, stubbornly saying one thing without providing any sort of reasoning; NOPE he's very inspired
    2. Don't know what you want to prove by referring to Nadal. QUITE sad indeed.
    3. Ok, use the "Rafa is injured" card when it's convenient.
    4. The 07 AO in general was outstanding for Fed. Fed has always dominated Rafa on that surface. That's just not to say that Fed had a better BH then. Rog has himself said more than once that he is hitting his BH great these days. I dont have the link but in one interview he said that his shoulder is getting stronger now to really drive through the ball. You want to watch a great Fed BH match, what about the WTF'10 final...
     
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    NOPE, he's very uninspired, flat and subpeak.


    Yes, it will be a sad sight indeed when your double standards get utterly exposed when Nadal reaches the same age Fed is now.

    Can't wait to see all the improvements he will make, it's gonna be very exciting.

    Well it's not that great of a feat to beat an injured Nadal, yes?

    Fed just says those things to keep interest in the game, because of his humility etc.

    Fact is, his BH 2007 was much better than today.

    Fed has always dominated Rafa indoors (on that surface), it doesn't mean he his BH was better in 2010 than in 2007.

    Not to mention that Nadal was tired from his marathon with Murray the day before (his fans said so, including a certain vile individual).
     
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    I started following tennis in 05 because of Federer. I wasn't old enough to understand at the time the technical reasons he was so unstoppable. However, I can say without a doubt that Federer is NOT a better player now than in 05-08. All there is to it.
     
  27. NadalDramaQueen

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    Get over it haters, Fed isn't a better player now than he was. He adjusted and even improved some aspects of his game in order to compensate for his physical decline, but all those things do is delay the inevitable. If we're talking about his ability to win matches in general, his best will forever be behind him.

    As for specific things like his backhand and serve, forget it. Watch some of his clutch serving back in the day or matches that were basically backhand exhibitions. He is still a great player and everybody always works to improve, but there are some things that can't be made up for with practice, especially when tennis has become so physical.
     
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    Yeah it's really bad that he's about to lose the number 2 ranking for number 1. It's really unfortunate.
     
  29. heninfan99

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    Cahill often talks utter nonsense.

    Why did Novak lose his last three matches to Nadal??? The ultimate GOAT wouldn't do such a thing.

     
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    I think what Cahill meant was that fed has more weapons now than he used to and works a lot harder but theres nothing to make up for the speed and the athleticism he used to have
     
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    What? you think everyone is JV? :) Come on, pick one.
     
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    Too much biased fanboyism in these posts. Federer, Djokovic and Nadal will go down as three of the best players to pick up a racket...can't we all agree with that or?
     
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    ESPN folks are nuts. No way Fed's better than in his prime. His forehand, backhand, footwork, speed - almost everything was better then. It's only (maybe) his serve and his tactics which could be better now. But not by much.
     
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    I think he has several accounts actually (like say Bullzie has) so I can't do that.

    Of course that's just my opinion, for all we know I could be wrong :).
     
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    Based on analyzing the post history here, I noticed the infamous JV had horrendous spelling and grammar. Almost ghetto like. You can't just get rid of that.
     
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    The thing is he's learnt more, has more experience, has more shots at his disposal... but his ability to execute them consistantly is not as good and doesn't last as long.
     
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    These people are stark raving mad. Federer is not even close to what he was 4 years ago, much less 2005-2006. He's practically a tomato can himself by now.
     
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    This is some hilarious stuff :lol:

    Apart from the delusional percentages also have to call bs on the first staement. Downplaying the extent of your delusion by claiming you never said he'd even have a decent chance, when in fact you give him up to 40%. 40% is not decent? :lol:

    If Sampras had 40% chance to beat Nadal at RG, Federer would have 100%. That's how ridiculous your percentages are.
     
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    Sure you can, if you cut down on the # of words in your post and put a bit more effort/thought into it.

    Some people also consciously post in sort of lazy style, not because their spelling and grammar sucks.
     
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    Based on the content of his posting history, I just don't see JV as being someone who would do that or is even capable of it.
     
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    I think you're selling him short or rather underestimating the lengths he would go to when it comes to attacking Fed, especially after the shock he suffered when Fed won Wimbledon last year :).
     
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    Maybe, but JV rivals NA or DR for inane stupidity.
     
  43. ultradr

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    It's certainly possible. It's just possibly that competition got stronger.
    I think he now defends better with backhand against top players.

    But his foot speed gotta be slower now. And as Cahill once pointed out, Federer
    still plays touch conservative on break chances. That's something got worse
    since so called his "prime" years.
     
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    Can you post the link to Cahill's quote? It would be a great quote to show people right now.
     

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