Cahill is now just getting annoying.

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  1. ESP#1

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    This guy just came out and said that djokovic will lose to fish. Pretty brash I think i mean I dont remember the last time Fish made a run at Wimbledon. I mean I think i needs to show a bit of respect to the only guy besides nadal and fed to win a slam in the 4 years or whatever it is.
     
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  2. shadows

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    it's not brash, it's a fairly decent bet if you've watched either of them play this tourny.
     
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  3. skip1969

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    so cahill is just getting annoying? welcome to my world, playa.

    behold, villager . . . the awesome power of mute!
     
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  4. woodrow1029

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    Fish is playing really well and Djokovic hasn't been playing his best tennis of late. I don't think it's a brash statement.
     
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  5. ESP#1

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    Its the way he said it. he wasnt favoring fish he was certain of it
     
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    I don't think he has to play his best tennis to beat fish
     
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  7. ESP#1

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    Thank you, my sentiments exactly
     
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    Djokovic is getting hated on hardcore by the media in this tournament...

    I think he's got a SF run in him, and I think he'll be playing better tennis for the rest of this year. I don't see him beating Federer at Wimbledon, but I think he'll be a force at the US Open.
     
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  9. shadows

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    The problem is that he's been playing some of his worst tennis in the last year or so here.

    I'm not kidding, gj011 will agree (if he pops by) that Noles game is sadly passive, and lacking any real spark on the grass right now :(
     
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  10. Blinkism

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    Yeah, I was surprised that Cahill said it so assertively...
     
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    It's funny how everyone loved him on this board until he said one thing they didn't like. The guy is giving you his point of view, which is what he is paid for. He doesn't have to come out and give everyone their due if he doesn't feel they deserve it. Fish has been playing well, has a game that's very well-suited for grass (even moreso than Djokovic's), and Djokovic hasn't been playing well and seems like he hasn't gotten over the clay. Get over it.
     
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    Well grass is his worst surface by far it seems he can't get to grips with the green stuff
     
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    Nothing wrong with what Darren has to say. Everyone has their own opinion.
     
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    What are Fish's credentials on grass? How far has he ever made it at Wimby.
    Nole 'll fry Fish tomorrow...hopefully.
     
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    Djokovic was playing very well in 2008 and had alot of trouble and very damn well lost to Fish at Indian Wells.



    A. Djokovic is low on confidence
    B. Fish is playing very well
    C. It's grass, one of Fish's best surfaces, and Djokovic's worst
    D. Their past matches have been very close



    I don't think it's such a bad prediction TBH.
     
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  16. ESP#1

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    You seem more annoyed at my thread than I am at his comments im just a person stating my opinion also so why dont you follow your on advice

    Get over it
     
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    Fish is very capable of beating top 10 players on grass. I was thinking the same thing tracking the draw, that Fish could take Novak out.
     
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    I don't think that's such a brash and bold prediction to be honest,I'd also say Fish has chance at an upset.Novak was playing very passive and defensive in the first 2 rounds and that might not put him in trouble against Fish who played some excellent all-court tennis against Tipsa(who isn't a slouch on grass).

    I'm still favouring Novak to win but IMO he'll need to raise his level of play from what he's shown this tournament so far for Fish.
     
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    What is the modern 'show respect' to rubbish?

    He's just giving an opinion on a tennis match outcome, he's not talking about anyone's mum.
     
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    Exactly. It is actually refreshing that someone has the stones to say what he believes even though it might not be the majority view.
     
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    Like I said its the way he came off, dismissing Novak completely. My point is Novak can step it up easily, we all know he was the game to beat anyone

    To dismiss Novak with such certainty in my eyes is disrespect, if it was just a prediction I would've cared.
     
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    It's not disrespect :confused:. Again, it's an opinion on a tennis match, and that's all.

    Anyways - those in the media (even loosely) can't go around saying "sorta maybe" and expect to get published. Bold, confident. If he's wrong, no-one cares, if he's right, he gets more coverage.
     
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  23. ESP#1

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    Did you even see the coverage? You can make a prediction without sounding so arrogant, after all isnt winning and losing circmstantial, ie "if Novak plays the way he has been playing the first couple rounds I like Fishs chances" "Novak is going to have to step it up to have a chance against fish" " considering the way they are both playing im picking marty" something like that wouldve been cool
     
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    Well what were Cahill's exact words then? I mean I'm from Serbia and I want Novak to win but I think there's a chance for an upset.
     
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  25. ESP#1

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    Man I cant remember exactly but he just came off like jerk, i agree there is a chance he could be upset but there is also a chance he can win the whole thing, i mean he does have the talent, thats no question
     
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    I don't know...I don't see Fish being consistent enough for Djokovic. He might win a set, but I still think Djokovic will win. But who knows, Fish might pull a Safin and win in straights.
     
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    Cahill just stated his opinion, it wasn't disrespectful at all. He's the best commentator from the ESPN crew anyway.

    BTW, I thought his reaction to the "Big Babe Tennis" segment was hilarious.:)
     
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    Of course,it's possible that Novak steps it up tomorrow and crushes Fish in straights,I mean he's a top 5 player and a slam winner.However given that Novak's form has been really shaky lately,that grass is his worst surface and that Fish has played some quality tennis in the first rounds it's certainly not the worst prediction I've heard.
     
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    You got it mixed up. Djokovic didn't lose to Fish in IW 2008. It was Federer.

    This being said, if Djokovic does not wake up, he will be in trouble against Fish.

    I do not pay attention to what clowns from ESPN have to say.
     
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    He didn't say Novak lost to Fish in IW 2008,he said he had a lot of trouble with him.The match went to 3 sets and If I remember correctly Fish had 3 BPs at the beginning of the 3d set which Novak saved with some clutch serving Sampras-like so Fish did give him some trouble certainly althought that was on HC obviously not on grass.
     
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    So what does this mean:

    Maybe it is my English, but I read this as "He lost to Fish in IW".
     
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    From what I know "Very damn well lost" means was very close to losing not that he lost.It's a phrase.
     
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    They seemed kind of pressed for time at that point, as it was one of the last questions Carillo asked and it was in the last minute or two of coverage. He responded to Carillo's last question with a single word. With more time I could see him (along with the other commentators) putting together more complete opinions.
     
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  34. The phrase would be "damn near lost." What he said was saying he lost basically. But I think it was worded in such a way that you could see he meant "almost", just a little confusing.
     
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    I forgot the near part, my bad.



    Truth is though, if Djokovic had trouble breaking Benneteau's serve, what makes you think he's even going to touch Fish's.
     
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  36. Morrissey

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    Oh, don't say that, because someone in here will come after you and call you the same thing.
     
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    You're right it's damn well near lost,my mistake.

    The bold part sums up what NamRanger really meant to say IMO.
     
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    Nothing wrong with that comment, I am a Novak fan but think he might struggle against the Fish. He will need to be a lot more aggressive than his previous rounds to get through.
     
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    Don't get so upset. Cahill simply gave his opinion. If you want rational, Fish is dangerous player, especially on fast surface. His game is actually on right at this moment. Whereas, Djoko is actually struggling with this game. Of course, by this time tomorrow, we will know for sure.

    But if I am betting, I will bet Fish to upset Djoko too. It is just the way they both are playing at the moment that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. For some reason, Djoko's game is not even near his performance in 07 and 08. But so far, Djoko is doing better than 08 Wimbledon, but as a whole, in 09 he's not doing as well as the previous 2 years. His tennis is not as good. I would like it for him to player better so it will be more entertaining.
     
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  40. ESP#1

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    I thought Djoko played well on clay this year, the Madrid match with Nadal was a classic, he should've won that match, overall i think hes solid on grass, played well at queens last year made the semi of wimbly the year before, fish has never past the third round
     
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  41. JeMar

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    I'm not addressing you personally, I'm talking to all the people that got their panties in a bunch when Cahill finally said something that people disagree with. Don't think you're so important.
     
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    terrible thread. move along, nothing to see here.
     
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  43. ESP#1

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    Almost as bad as the thread made by a guy trying to criticize another guys second language when he doesn't speak one himself. Arrogance like this is why many countries hate americans
     
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    At their best?

    Djokovic wins hands down.

    Stupid prediction from Cahill.
     
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  45. MAX PLY

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    The fact that folks are so charged by this tells me that Cahill is doing an awesome job! He is employed to give his opinions which naturally reflect his biases. That's why it is interesting-agree or disagree. The fact that he picked Fish outright is cool (irrespective of whether he is right or not)--there are plenty of other commentators who will give you "Well, Djokovic will win if . . . but if Fish does X, it could be hard time for the number 4, blah, blah, blah . . ." For Cahill to say, "Fish will win it because he's crushing the ball now [and typically some reasoned analysis for his opinion follows]" is fresh and interesting. And, for those who think the opinion is "crazy" I actually think he may be right about Marty--he's top 25 in singles and doubles right now--coming off a huge doubles victory, big serve, flatter strokes on grass--not a bad pick--biggest question will be his head and nerves.

    I say, "irritate on Mr. Cahill!"--let's keep making this sport as interesting as possible.
     
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  46. rod99

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    it wasn't criticizing, it was asking a question. there is a big difference.
     
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  47. ESP#1

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    I guess I can see this perspective, always thought it was Brads job to do this though, remember when Brad said Djoko would be number 1 before Nadal? At the time I thought that was pretty bold but understandable.
     
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  48. TheTruth

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    It's just interesting, considering Novak has much greater career achievements, more experience, is higher ranked, and Mardy has never beaten Novak.

    Just trying to figure out what Cahill based his prediction on?

    Agree with the OP, Cahill is getting annoying.
     
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  49. MAX PLY

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    Gilbert does it too and that's also why, in part, he is there (also, I think for some "cerebral analysis" as Gilbert was known as a smart player (a debate for another day) but has clearly been a pretty good coach). Cahill just expands the marketplace of ideas and opinions. In my view, the resources devoted to tennis coverage are just awesome--so much more input from so many more sources. We all have our favorites and those that irritate us (no, I will not say its MJF:)), but all in all, great for the sport.
     
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  50. ESP#1

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    So I guess at the end of the day, its all good, its good that commentators make bold statements, its good that we get annoyed and make up threads and have these discussions, it shows we have our opinions and are passionate about the game.

    Though sometimes i have an issue with the concept many tennis fans have of "its great for tennis" seems like we treat tennis like its a sick child or something and we have to promote its growth, personally I love tennis and enough people feel the same so it isnt going anywhere.

    Not saying thats the way you see it, i have just noticed this within the tennis community.
     
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