Calling All String Experts . . . or anyone else who might know

Discussion in 'Strings' started by winstonplum, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. winstonplum

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    I've been playing with Kirschbaum Pro Line II for over a year and really enjoying it. When I first got back into tennis about three years ago, I wanted to try out some of the polys so I wouldn't be breaking strings every two weeks. I started off trying Lux BB Original, and the ALU Power Rough, but once I figured out what I was doing on the court again, both felt to stiff and boardy.

    RPM blast, my next try when I got bought a APD (don't laugh), hurt my shoulder--still too stiff and boardy. It was at that time that I came to these fabulous boards and started doing research about the softer/softest polys out there. The rave reviews about Pro Line II caught my attention and I've been enjoying it ever since.

    The problem is that three years in, I've gotten stronger, I'm hitting harder, and I'm playing 3-4 times a week as opposed to 1-2. These strings are starting to wear through pretty quickly.

    Does anyone have any recommendations for a soft poly that lasts longer than PL II. I know that sounds like an oxymoron--soft/durability, but I'll through it out here nonetheless. What I like best about the PL II is that I get goot pop, good spin, and it maintains tension well. I don't know if it's just me, but the strings play better a month in than they do when the stick is freshly strung.

    When I bought a new PS Ltd. last month, I got it strung for free with Pro Hurricane. Hated it. Turned to mush after about a week and a half. Cut them out and went back to PL II. So don't recommend that string.

    Thank you.
     
  2. darklore009

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    you could try genesis black magic. a soft, powerful poly. or you can try cyberflash. both keep their playability for some time than others
     
  3. UCSF2012

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    If you're playing twice as much, you should be expecting to replace poly more often. You shouldn't be trying to do the impossible and find an arm-friendly everlasting string. It's better for your health to replace polys more often.
     
  4. lynnbart

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    You should give Discho Iontec Black a try. It is comfortable, affordable, and plays very well.
     
  5. Francis27

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    Since you used the RPM Blast you should try its softer version RPM TEAM its injected with micro air bubbles which makes it softer. I currently use these strings and love them! its got great durability too!

    There are only a few soft polys out there and most of them are stiff. If you really want to soften out a poly i recommend using a hybrid with either Natural gut (if you have the money), synthetic gut (i like the x-one biphase from tecnifibre), and or a multifilament.
     
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    Polystar energy deserves a mention.
     
  7. Logic Dude

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    X-one biphase is a multifilament :).
     
  8. db10s

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    Dunlop Black Widow.....
     
  9. fortun8son

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    Or Pro's Pro Vendetta.(I just got a reel at a ridiculously low price.)

    Really, though, if you like the way Pro Line II plays, stick with it.
    You can spend a lot of time and money searching for the Holy Grail, only to find yourself coming back to Pro Line.
     
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    I'll vouch for Black Magic and Discho Iontec black. Both excellent string that compare very favorably to your current string. Try them out and you be the judge.
     
  11. swfh

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    How do you like vendetta? What was the price?

    Also, I'll vouch for black magic as well. Nice and soft
     
  12. fortun8son

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    It's my first time buying Vendetta. I've heard some pretty good things about it.
    It's bad form to quote competitors' prices here.
    If you do a little digging, you'll find the info.
     
  13. drkplayer122

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    I've tried Vendetta and it is very similar to PLII. I prefer PLII though because I felt that it had better tension maintenance over Vendetta.

    Fortun8son is right. Reels of Vendetta is ridiculously low compared to other strings on the market.
     
  14. COPEY

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    Very true, but TW doesn't sell Pro's Pro. ;-)
     
  15. fortun8son

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    ...and it's very tolerant of them to let us talk about Pro's Pro, Genesis, Discho/Mamba and the like.
    No need to rock the boat. :)
     
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  16. COPEY

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    Actually I think the reason they allow it has nothing to do with being tolerant, but rather reasonable and logical. They understand they can't possibly stock every string out there (what vendor can?), and it stands to reason people will use strings from various vendors, so there's no harm whatsoever in allowing discussion about such strings. If this was the "TW Strings Forum" and underneath the description read, "Please try to limit your discussion to only those strings sold at TW", then I'd definitely agree with you.

    Finally, TW isn't stupid, they definitely understand the connection between this forum and string sales, and the fact that they have this forum, coupled with its popularity, directly influences the amount of string they sale. Access to the majority of strings discussed is but a few clicks away.

    I do, however, agree (wholeheartedly) that the OP should stick with PL II. Even better would be to purchase a stringer, that way the cost of trying new strings could be substantially reduced in the long run. That is, as long as he doesn't go nuts and start testing every string under the sun lol.
     
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  18. COPEY

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    Surely, but to be fair, it's one thing to bring up a certain string (or two) in the course of a discussion. It's quite another to bombard a post with several different types of strings and their prices. Still, we'll see what happens.

    To be clear, I'm not arguing with you, not at all. In my opinion you're one of the more sensable posters on here, one whose posts I generally seek out to read. It just so happens in this case I disagree with ya, that's all. ;-)
     
  19. fortun8son

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    I like Pro's Pro strings. They are a good value, like Sharp and Hyundai.
    Are they equal to the best? No.
    A good value, nonetheless.

    I must say that their multis kick ***
    Hi-Tech Multifibre and Gutex Ultra...thumbs up.
     
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  20. mikeler

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    I plan to test some more Pros Pro strings in the future.
     
  21. tlm

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    I agree with a lot of the string suggestions above, but none are going to play good for a very long time. That is just the way poly is great for a while and then goes south quickly.

    You say you are hitting 3-4 times with a hard swing, well if you got a week and a half out of hurricane then I would say that is about right. I never use a full poly job for more that a week or so, because not only does it play bad but the shock to the arm goes up the longer you use it.

    I know that many players try to play with poly way longer than they should, but to be honest if you don't plan on changing strings often then you should not use poly.

    I know that many cannot afford it and they will argue that this poly or that one will play good longer and it is okay to use it for a long time. And some do keep their playability longer than others but not by a huge amount.

    My advise is for anyone that plays often and wants to use poly then buy a stringing machine and find a poly you like and purchase a spool and plan on restringing at least once a week. Not only will the fresher strings play better but they will not cause near the shock to your arm like the old stiff poly will.
     
  22. winstonplum

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    Thanks for the all the suggestions. I ended up buying to more packs of the PR II 17 gauge. I guess if you've found something you like, you should stick with it. Almost every poly I've tried has ended up hurting my shoulder while serving, while PL II has never given me any pain whatsoever. I really think it's a spectacular string. So if it's soft and breaks quicker than BBO, so be it.
     
  23. COPEY

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    Test complete? Did I pass? ;-)
     
  24. fortun8son

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    Well, the posts were not deleted by the mods.
    I still think it's not quite kosher to quote prices or sources.
    I was feeling a bit feisty.:)
     
  25. COPEY

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    In the examples you gave, I agree; that's going overboard. I get what you were trying to do, but my point was and is, if you're discussing strings, it's perfectly reasonable to bring up a string by a manufacturer that isn't represented here at TW. Not trying to convince you, however. It's just my opinion, and apparently it's one that's shared (at least in part) by the mods. I'm not sure what your rationale is with respect to why you feel it's not kosher, but that's cool. All I can say is it's a good thing you're not a mod lol.
     
  26. roadworkky

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    Take a look at volkyl cyclone. this is a great value poly w great durability. It's 7.99/ pack.
     
  27. Rjtennis

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    I wouldn't change if you like the way it plays. You can find deals on Pro-line II every so often.
     
  28. TennisCJC

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    Try Tecnifibre poly's: red code, black code.

    Or, try a hybrid with a syn gut cross with your PLII.
     
  29. Crisp

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    Poly fibre TCS seems to be soft for a poly I have found
     
  30. fortun8son

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    Sorry for the earlier derail.
    Pro's Pro Vendetta is still an excellent low priced sub for PLII.
     
  31. JT_2eighty

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    Genesis Typhoon is a nice string. It is holding tension among the best I've tried, and while not the softest out there (the softest tend to lose tension fast too), it is comfortable enough that it offers a good blend of control, spin and feel in a poly.

    Another good one is Polystar Strike. Great control, nice feel, durable.

    Probably the best (also pricey) is Signum Pro Hyperion. Holds tension like a beast, soft on the arm, amazing control. Cost can be prohibitive though.

    But in the end, I agree with UCSF that it is best to replace a poly string often for your arm health. Even the best tension holders tend to be bad for your arm after 12-20 hours of court time. Poly just loses its elasticity over time faster than other string types. Even the softest ones will come back to bite you over time. If you start playing more often, you should be restringing that much more often.
     
  32. fortun8son

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    Hyperion is not so expensive by the reel.
    Brings it down to about $9 a set, which is not bad at all.
     
  33. JT_2eighty

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    Good call. I was thinking of the price per set of Tornado, but even that one is ok once you go for a reel. I also like Tornado, but it played stiffer than Hyperion.

    I also think the best suggestion of this thread was tlm's advice: get a dropweight and self-string. It really is nice to be in control of your own strings, it's not hard to learn, and then you can have fresh stringbeds whenever you like without having to fork out the usual $15-20 for labor that most places charge.

    A dropweight will pay for itself in about 8-10 re-stringings, and a little bit of time invested in learning how to do it.
     

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