Calling out Match Point

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  1. Kenny022593

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    Yeah, I am clueless and probably wouldn't have gotten it if no one pointed it out haha.
     
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  2. jswinf

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    ^^^Well, it was pretty silly and you probably have a life and all...
     
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  3. Baxter

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    My kid has been taught to do both of these at the tennis academy he attends, so I don't have a problem with it.

    I see a lot of teenage players who don't say much of anything during a match, which I find really annoying. They must have some secret form of communication that I can't pick up on, like people at an auction that place a bid with subtle, almost imperceptible gestures.
     
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  4. Posture Guy

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    if your son's tennis academy is teaching him to call 'second serve', you need to either speak to the people running the academy or find him a new one.

    if I ever played someone who did that, I would not be pleasant in telling them to STFU. I can count to two, sparky. Shut up and hit your second serve.
     
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  5. Baxter

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    And who says tennis has lost its gentility? Seriously, how do you find hitting partners? Anyway, I'll call "second serve" sometimes if there's been a break in play caused by the missed first being picked up because it's rolling back onto the court.
     
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  6. Posture Guy

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    How do I find hitting partners? Because I adhere to the norms of tennis etiquette, I'm a pleasant guy to play whether I'm winning or losing, and I'm considerate of the people I'm playing. Calling "out" when the ball hits the fence is just stupid, and calling "second serve" if the first serve is in the net is even more stupid. The people I play with don't do any of those things, probably because they are not stupid.

    Saying 'second serve' if there's been an interruption in play for some reason is fine.

    it's common sense. People need to use some.
     
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    I will indicate "out" on every out ball no matter how ridiculously out it is. If it is hitting the fence 6 feet high, I'll just raise a finger. If it is a closer call I'll call "out". If someone gets their nose out of joint because I raise a finger on an obvious out call that is their problem not mine. But I've been playing 40 years and I can't remember anyone ever saying anything about me doing that.
     
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  8. Posture Guy

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    beernutz....that I don't have a problem with. But calling 'second serve' after the first serve is netted? That's ridiculous.
     
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    I've never done the second serve call thing either and it seems to be more prevalent in the women's leagues here. When I played mixed leagues and social matches, I noticed a lot of 3.5-4.0 women would say this.

    FWIW, I don't call Match Point either (or Set Point or Game Point) because there are just some things that don't require verbal announcement. Also, I don't want to jinx myself. :)

    One reason I always raise the finger even on 'obvious' out calls is that many calls which appear obvious to the caller are not so to the other team or player. I think at least once a match when playing doubles there will be a high lob that hits 6 feet or more beyond the baseline and no call will be made, then someone on the other team will ask if it was in or out because their view was blocked.
     
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  10. slice bh compliment

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    That's got to be annoying.

    Well...forgive them for they know not what they do.
    They are the same people who win a match and put both arms up like they've won Wimbledon.

    They learned it from watching tennis. They don't know that they are imitating commentators rather than actual players.

    They think they are being a part of the tennis culture.

    They will quickly learn that actual tennis players don't do that. Maybe the right person will educate them. It's not big deal.
     
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  11. jswinf

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    But if a ball hits the fence on the fly several feet up, it's hard to have your view blocked. Probably some of your opponents in these situations have felt like "raising a finger" in return, even if they haven't.
     
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  12. Posture Guy

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    yeah, I've no problem pointing the out finger, and if it's landing within 10' of being in I'll call out. If it hits the fence, I'll do the finger signal.

    never run into either someone incessantly calling blatantly out shots verbally 'out', or calling second serves (except for occasions of delay).

    in fact, I don't recall ever playing anyone who called 'match point', either.
     
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  13. beernutz

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    Well I wish one of them would be man enough to go ahead and do it but like I said no one has ever said a thing to me or indicated their displeasure about this in all the years I've played. Perhaps this is because hitting the fence several feet up on the fly is something that rarely happens, at least in my matches?
     
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    :lol:

    made me laugh (kind of want to do this now...)
     
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    Seems like Federer and those guys shank 1 or 2 per match into the stands...they do take a bit bigger cut at it than I do, though.
     
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    This post made my night - however I do call "love all" at the start of my own service games, I guess its a habbit
     
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    I play regularly with a 67 year old veteran USTA certified instructor who has serious vision problems but is still a solid 4.0. He can see the lines on his side of the court pretty well, but he will honestly (I believe him anyway) ask, "was that out?" when he, or more commonly his partner, flies one three or four feet out. When I play him I just call everything.
     
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    i assume we are only talking about matches that are not just toying around with friends. cause everyone calls out stupid stuff in those matches.

    calling MP or SP or BP in competitive matches is something that appears to be alot more common in the older generation. at least around here that is.
    to be specific i dont think ive heard anyone under 40 doing it.

    about out calls.. i guess im standard. i call out when they were close but just give the finger sign otherwise. serves i usually call "no" just because i dont want to start the whole long - out - fault - wide - whatever debate. no means no so that should be clear.
    if a ball hits the fence or misses it and goes straight for the river instead i dont do anything. if anyone ever feels like that point should be theirs id probably just leave and get something to eat.
     
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  19. Posture Guy

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    For the win.
     
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  20. jht32

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    Calling the ball out or signalling out with a finger when the ball hits the back fence is going overboard and stating the freaking obvious. Of course, there are plenty of people who love to state the obvious.

    When someone "raises a finger" when my your tennis ball hits the back fence, just "raise a different finger" in response :)
     
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  21. slice bh compliment

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    HhhHaa, that reminds me of my daughter's reaction when a girl would loudly proclaim that any of my daughter's serve that went into the net were (ready for this?), "In the net... fault!" Her dad is one of the most competitive 3.5 hack ever.

    This thread also reminds me of a 50s tournament player I used to play when I was a jr, who'd say, "SINGLEFAULT" on every out serve.

    Yeah, sometimes 'the finger' is most appropriate. It's got to be stressful to be so pedantic on a tennis court. I wish people would just be laid-back and play some tennis.
     
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  22. kylebarendrick

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    While watching a pro match (SAP open) I saw a player shank a ball high into the air that landed in the stands. The linesperson dutifully waited the several seconds it took the ball to actually make contact with a fan before calling "out". I do think it is a good habit to signal every out ball as out. That way there is never an argument. I quick flash of an index finger shouldn't bother anyone.
     
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  23. jht32

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    If we present this professional linesperson as an example of model behavior, then we might as well follow her lead and loudly and clearly announce "out" when the ball hits the back fence. That way our opponent and any spectator will clearly know the outcome of the point. Why sneak in a quick flash of the index finger?

    Alternatively, I have found found it helpful to place those huge foam fingers

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    near the back fence during my matches. I use it to signal out using that whenever my opponent's balls hits the back fence. I wouldn't want an argument to ensue because it wasn't clear to my opponent that his ball was out. :)
     
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