Calling Out the Score...Please!!!

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  1. tennis tom

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    It's really annoying to play a great point and not get credit for it due to confusion on the score. I believe, The Code says to call out the score before each point. I'm all for that!!! I think many rec/club players, play head games or use gamesmanship with the score. After a great energetic point, with many hits, it's easy to get literally turned around and not know where you stand anymore. I always (well, almost always) call out the score before each point. It just increases the odds that somebody, especially when playing doubles, will remember the score.

    Invariably, I find it's the player who doesn't call out the score on a consistent basis, is the one who is ALWAYS questioning it. I make it a point to remember the score and call it out at least when I'm serving. If others would do the same things would be just peachy.

    I feel some players consciously "game" score keeping and some do it unconsciously, after years of developing bad habits. There are those players who ONLY call the score when they are UP, especially at 40-15. Personally, I sometimes don't call it out at 40-love or 40-15, feeling it may be some bad Karma or hubristic to embarrass my opponents shouting-out a big lead.

    There are some who never call the score! I admire them if they can keep it accurately, BUT, if they keep screwing it up, I begin hating them and start calling it out for them. This may annoy them and goad them into doing the right thing, calling it out themselves. If I get really annoyed with "non score caller outters", I'll time my call to coincide with their ball-toss and admit, this is a bit of gamesmanship of my own, but only after they have thoroughly annoyed me first.

    For the time being, I'm foregoing buying a score-keeping watch. One reason being, having to remember to use it and also finding it somewhat distracting and annoying watching someone constantly pressing on their wrist.

    Do any TT'ers have any tips on dealing with "score-keeper/non-score keeper" gamers, to help keep them honest or to do their job of keeping the score too?
     
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    Makin' me feel like a jerk up in here.

    I'm one of 'Those Guys' who only calls it out when I'm winning. Whoopsie.
     
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    Yeah, it's easy.

    If they don't call out the score, say the score yourself. Put a little lilt in your voice at the end so you don't sound rude, like it's just a polite question.
     
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    I trust myself to keep accurate score without having it called out all the time - but I don't trust all my opponents to do the same (with good reason, in some cases).

    So to avoid potential confusion and conflict, I always make sure I call out the score when I'm serving, and if someone else is serving and has not called out the score, I'll say something like "thirty-fifteen, right?" just to confirm.
     
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    This is a pet peeve of mine as well. A guy I play with quite a bit will go 3 or 4 points without calling out the score if I don't say anything and then he's the one that gets confused on what the score is. I've gotten where I'll either say the score before he serves or I'll ask for the score. It's really not that hard and avoids a lot of confusion.
     
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    Isn't it part of the Code? I always call out the score, but sometimes I call it incorrectly, even though I have it correct in my head.

    I'm a veg, Danny.
     
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    Pet peeve too. All players should have their minds IN the game and pay frigging attention to the score. It's important (duh). But, One thing I will do to help is after a long point with lots of great hitting, I will call out the score immediately after this. Even though they are serving. Seems this is when scoring gets fouled up the most.
     
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    I agree, call the score. Seems like some players who don't call it are acting like "everybody should know the score, c'mon" but if you break down and ask "Hey, what's the score?" they often don't really know...
     
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    I have the exact opposite experience. I don't always call out the score on each point and I find a lot of guys I play often times get confused and don't know the score... And they botch the set score too a bunch too.

    I also get the feeling that when I tell them the set score on the change-over they give me this look like "Thanks a-hole!"

    Which I also hate.
     
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    Everytime your opponent is about to serve, and he fails to call out the score, raise your hand, stop him in the middle of his service motion, and ask him the score. After 10-20 times, he should get the hint.
     
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    Not sure I understand--maybe if you did call out the score on each point some of those guys wouldn't be as confused...:confused:

    And calling out the set score before the first point of each game...I hope everybody does that?
     
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    This is a good option if you're looking for the most obnoxious and passive-aggressive way to address the situation.

    Another option might be to just ask them to call out the score between points on an early changeover if they aren't.
     
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    Code 31 of Friend of the Court says the server Is to announce the score befor each point.

    If it annoyed me that my opponent was not calling score, I would simply point out this rule.
     
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    What I was saying is that I don't get confused as to the game score, I keep it in my head very well and am seldom wrong. Is it too much to ask that my opponents do the same?

    I don't like to yell across the court after each point, to me it seems obnoxious. Sometimes I'll even say the score to myself, or if I'm at the net getting a ball I'll say the score to my opponent. However, I'm a quiet guy and often times I feel like they don't hear me.

    Also, someone was saying that when they don't call the game score they themselves get confused and mess up the score. I was basically refuting his/her point by saying that it's not me that's confused when I don't call the score, it's my opponents. And that really should be their fault because even when I'm receiving, I still keep the score in my head. I have a pretty good memory on the court and I can remember the last 4-7 points very easily. And I've had opponents give themselves phantom points before and botch the score as well. It's really annoying when that happens, and usually that happens on their service games too... It's ridiculous.

    I mean it shouldn't be that hard to keep track of 4 points should it?
     
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    I tried that once when the person I was playing refused to announce the score but it didn't help. After that, I would stop the point before he served and say, "the score is love-40 right?"
     
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    Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard, and yeah, if you're keeping score accurately in your head and you opponent can't, then it's their fault.

    But that doesn't address the issue - since we all know from experience that some people are incapable of keeping score in their heads, what are you going to do about it?

    You can either do:

    1. Nothing, and then deal with the irritation/conflict/confusion when your opponent and you disagree on the score, or

    2. You could just make sure that it's called out after every point, whether by you or your opponent.

    I don't like to yell across the court after each point either, but which of these two options is more pleasant?
     
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  17. West Coast Ace

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    I always bring it up before or right after warm-ups: "server's going to call out the score, right?". I think every other point is ok. If there's a dispute it's hard to screw up two points.
     
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  18. whomad15

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    If I don't hear it I ask "Whats the score?"
    Every time, I don't care how pissed they get, if I can't hear it I'm not going to play because I dislike getting cheated out of points.
    Usually they start saying it for a while but then stop, at which point I start up again.
    They get annoyed, too bad, deal with it. I say the score so you can hear it, you can return the favor.

    Also it helps if you aren't staring at the ground bouncing the ball while announcing the score, as then the sound just bounces back into your face, not across the court.
    It hardly takes a yell, projecting your voice without yelling isn't something that's hard to do.
     
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  19. AR15

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    If you said that to me, I'd think I must have a 2.0 showing up to play.
     
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    Yep an annoyance for me too. And I believe if you are serving and not calling out the score and I get confused as to what the score is it is actually your fault not mine. The rules seem to think so too.

    I'm guessing the rule it there so that all players are reminded of the score before each point so that there is no confusion, so that any errors can be caught quickly and to avoid a mish-mash of the server sometimes calling the score and the receiver sometimes calling the score. The server is to call out the score...its really very clear and not that hard. I'm not the most outgoing guy in the world, but I manage. I've never had an opponent express annoyance that I call out the score so I don't think that's a worry.

    There is actually a player I know who rarely calls out the score when he is serving but pretty regularly calls out the score when an opponent is serving! Right after the point ends and before the server has even gathered a ball to step up to call the score and begin to serve. Very odd and kind of amusing in a way.

    I think some servers are so focused on their serve they literally forget to call the score. If it becomes a pattern I simply ask them if they could start calling the score before they serve. I don't cite the rule or yell at them...I just ask them to start calling the score to help me keep it straight. I've never had anyone take my head off for asking yet. I can't say I'm not annoyed when I have to ask though or if they slip back into the old no score calling pattern.
     
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    I used to play a guy regularly who did exactly that. He never called the score and I'd get P.O.ed after asking him several times, then inevitably there'd be a scoring dispute and I'd get even more P.O.ed. But at that point instead of starting to call his own score, he'd start calling out mine, even though I always call the score and we never (or extremely rarely) had scoring disputes on my serve. Finally I just stopped playing him and I really don't regret it too much.
     
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    I play with a bunch of people that never call the score and it is highly annoying. So easy to call the score out, then no issues, there is never any doubt as to the score etc.
     
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    LOL! Think I know the person.
     
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    Shhh. :oops:

    :)
     
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    You lost me on that one. I'm like most the people on the board who hate this. And it's obvious that so many people experience it it's not a beginner vs. inter/adv thing. I just try to avoid it by airing my preference before a disagreement.
     
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  26. yonexpurestorm

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    theres really only a need to call out the score when three or more points have been played and the score hasnt reached a duece. if you cant remember what happened in the last two points tennis isnt your first problem, its probably the alzheimers kicking in. and once youve reached 30-30 or duece, theres no need to call the score because depending on the last point and the side of court your serving on you should remember. i have people that forget and try and say the score is different. i always remember the score because that is what we are playing for. and if they dispute it i just tell them the score with certainty and they normally cant argue. once i had to actually bring out the usta ref because the guy was forgetting the set score on purpose. we had to back track all the games and his score was impossible due to the side we were on and where we started serve.
     
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  27. tennis tom

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    Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
     
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    If you are going to ask them if they are going to call out the score, you might as well ask them if they are going to follow every other rule in the code while you're at it. Why don't you also ask: " you're going change sides on odd games, aren't you? And, you're going to give me a point if I hit a winner on you, aren't you?"
     
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    The same guys who fail to call out the score will disagree with you on the score. When they flip the script and the score, 40-15 becomes 15-40 and they want a re-enactment of each point I DF the point, game, and match away and never play these slugs again.
     
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  30. AR15

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    What I am disagreeing with Westcoast on, is his notion to ask his opponents, before the match begins, " you are going to call the score out, right?". To me that condescending to your opponent. I would wait till my opponent failed to call the scor out, before I would say anything.
     
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  31. Ronaldo

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    I call this score out and these senile slicksters question every point.
     
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    Pet peeves...

    -Not calling the servers score first when reciting the score. I dont know what genius decided to tell people to always call the opponents score first. Every once in a while I run into a person who does this.

    -Not knowing the difference between 15-15 and 1-1. I can see people not immediately understanding that "Forty; five." is the same as "Forty; fifteen." but people these days dont even bother with game score numbers. They call everything like its the set score.
     
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  33. Ronaldo

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    During USTA League tennis our district used No-ad scoring with 0 to 3 used for point scores. Still call out the score this way by accident. Imagine no-ad with a 3rd set tie-break?
     
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    1st off, I said 'server', not 'you' - so that means both of us - not condescending.

    Just trying to proactively avoid a problem. If you'd rather let something happen and risk a blowup, so be it.
     
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    You know what I would do?

    Every time they start their service motion without saying the score I would just put my hand up and let them serve the ball without saying anything. Then I would say "Hold up, whats the score again?". After you do that a few times im sure they'd get the hint.

    This is a legal strategy as long as you dont "appear" ready. If you're just "standing in the service receive location" but are otherwise not ready you can just put your hand up and the point cannot begin. You cannot "pretend" to be ready then put your hand up though. Just stand there and once they toss the ball, put your hand up. LOL
     
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    This. If I'm receiving from someone who's not calling out the score regularly, I just stand with my racket on my hip in my left hand, and my right hand cupping my ear like I'm trying to hear what the server is saying. After they call it, I go into ready position. Every once in a great while, the server might ask "what are you waiting for?" and I say "waiting to hear you call out the score." After that, they understand when I'm in that non-ready position.
     
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    I like that one Taxvictim! Or if they don't speak loudly enough, I'll tell them to pretend they are shouting at their wife/husband.
     
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    Btw, call out the wrong score just to keep the game interesting. Or ask the other team. Gotta love those Senior moments.
     
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    One of the fellows I play doubles against on occasion is a 70+ veteran who plays the nationals in his age group.....so he still has good game. Nice guy who has given a lot to tennis over the years, but gets the score wrong at least once a set....usually on his serve and in his favour....and don't get me started on his line calls! Usually in his favour and like a soccer referee will never change his call. Last time we played his partner couldn't convince him the ball was in....he made the call 'out' and that was it! I can't bring myself to make 'even-up' calls, so I just suffer his game in frustration.
     
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    Practice the 'even-up' call, you'll get the hang of it, you don't go to hell for making bad line calls (I hope). You'll be pleasantly surprised how well it can work against a cheater. Suddenly, their vision improves and they start worrying that their opponent is better at it then they are. Works every time, with the exception of against psychiatrists.
     
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    I call the score serving or receiving...but then again, I'm a control freak
     
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    I am one of the few in my circle who calls the score when serving. To be fair, the other guys just about always know the score correctly and so there is no negative implication to me from not having the score called out, though on the unusual circumstance when the score is "lost" it does make them look extra foolish.

    One thing though, if you don't call out the score, don't complain when you start your serve ritual (not the serve motion) when I loudly ask you what the score is.
     
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    I always call the score when serving.

    if I play someone who doesn't call the score often enough after the first game or 2 I start asking (right at the end of the point every time) "that puts us at 30-30 right?"

    and they will usually give a quick "yep"

    tie-breaks I notice are the most confusing and mind game situations...I dunno how many times I've played people who don't call a tie break score when they are behind until its like "5 ALL" and if they get ahead continue to call the score.
     
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    That's good. I'd feel bad if the guy messed up his shoulder trying to abort the serve (having shoulder issues myself). But you're right - it is legal - wouldn't want to start and play a point 'in good faith' without knowing the score.
     
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    Yeah the problem is that they're probably going to mess the score up one way or the other, so I usually go option one. I can't tell you how many times I've replayed points that really shouldn't have been replayed. I think in matches I'm just way too nice. I really want to develop a more assertive and aggressive personality. Where it's like I don't take **** and I don't replay points because my opponent didn't see it, or wasn't man enough to call it out.
     
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    My coach told me if they don't call the score, call it yourself, but give them a chance to call it, don't call it as soon as the point is over. And call the score loudly facing them and when they don't have their back to you.

    A lot of misunderstandings if players say the score and not call it. I call the score as if the other guy has got bad hearing.
     
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    What I do first is I call the score out for them....If the problem persists...I start stopping them in the middle of their service motion and make them call it. Most people get the hint and start calling it out. I don't argue with them...just stop them in the middle of their service motion. :)


     
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  48. jc4.0

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    I feel you

    I ALWAYS insist that the server call out the score. If they don't, I'll call it for them, even if it breaks their service motion. I've played way too many alzheimers victims who forget the score, if not who's serving, or what day it is, or what planet they're on - and then as you say they'll argue you down that the score was 40-30 instead of 30-40 and they just won the game, when it's actually deuce.

    The rule says if there's an argument, then you have to go back to the first score agreed upon - but you don't want to go there. Just call out the freaking score before you serve - and loud enough that everyone hears. Doesn't matter if it's "love-40" on your serve, why would that matter? One point at a time, as they say.
     
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  49. Cindysphinx

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    I think if there is a scoring dispute, you either go back to the agreed upon score. Or you replay the disputed points. Or you spin a racket.

    I don't interrupt the server to force them to call out the score. I will only interrupt if they called the wrong score, I am sure they called the wrong score, I am sure I heard them correctly, and they are not in the middle of their motion.

    We can straighten it out after the point. Then again, I might be more strict in singles. I play dubs, and with four people you can usually figure out a scoring glitch pretty easily.
     
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    "OK, first set, 0-0, love-love, I'll take some serves now, and who are you, dearie, where's the nice person I was playing before? Oh, our court time's up? My goodness, where did the morning go?"
     
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