Can Fed be No.1 again?

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  1. Fedchamp

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    My heart says "yes", but my brain says "probably not".
    The reason appears to be that he hasn't made any visible improvements to his game as Nadal and Djokovic (legal or not) appear to have. It seems that he is satisfied by his early career game and feels that is good enough to keep winning. Nadal's improved serve ,and Djokovic's overall game and fitness improvements are well documented. Any other thoughts?
     
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  2. It's going to be tough. He's basically going to have to be the best player in the world at age 31 and I don't think that's possible with his style and the current crop of players.
     
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    Yes even to a non Fed fan it is sad because there is not anyone really on the horizon that can come up to the big four
     
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    That appears to be a fairly accurate analysis of the situation.I would agree that the Djoko and Rafa have made improvements but Roger does not appear to have made the necessary adjustments to consistently counter the improvements in their games.I really believe he needs to beef up his backhand and hit the shot flatter because while he hits with a good deal of spin he does not have the penetration through the court and this in turn allows the opposition to hit a higher quality stroke to his backhand instead of him getting around on his f/h and being offensive.Just my 2 cents.
     
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    I don't think Fed is going to be able to raise his game to overtake Rafa and Novak. But... it's possible (although not likely) that Novak and Rafa will both suffer a decline (injuries for example), in which case Fed still has enough to take advantage of the situation and get back to #1.
     
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    I agree. The high backhand is a weakness, especially against Nadal. Ironically I think he hits his forehand a little too flat all the time. He needs to put more spin on the ball especially when he's run out of position. He remains the best offensive player in the world, but defensively he lacks a "stay in the point" shot.
     
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    I'd rate Fed's chances as:

    Winning another slam - 40-60% (depending on when he retires)
    Retaining world #1 ranking - 10%
     
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    I feel his next slam will most likely be the US. These days the US appears to have the fastest court surfaces of any slam, including Wimbledon. This is the one slam where he the court surface really appears to be fast enough to suit his game.
    IMO there's no more spectacular a sight in tennis as Federer at full flight at the US Open...anyone remember his between the legs passing shot against Djokovic?
    Incidentely I feel Wimbledon is now a HUGE borefest because of the slow courts and balls.
     
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    Djoko is going to be a cool no. 1. His sense of humor is great for the game.

    Nada is just weird. One arm is gigantic, the other is shriveled and atrophied. He also would be advised to keep his thumb and forefinger out of his ******* while in public.
     
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    Yeah but is he cheating? I find his incredible turnaround quite hard to believe without some sort of illegal enhancement.
     
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    Sounds about right
     
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    We all know Federer was better than this, he set the bar so high that we expect almost too much of him. People need to start understanding that it's just because the all around crop of players has improved but because that Federer is unable to consistently use his tools like before. He use to handle pace as if it was nothing, he would take many balls on the rise. Remember how he was just returning Safins strongest shots as if they were child's play. The main reason Federer is getting beaten by others now is because he has lost that ability and he's being more passive in order to preserve his body longer. I really can't believe Federer has gotten that slow when barely a year and a half ago he was gliding at the AO 2010 and looking near invincible. He's being more passive in his play because he's trying to care of his body because he knows he is going to become more injury prone.

    Did anybody see how fast he was on Monday, was this the Federer you saw in Cincy and Montreal. I think not. Yes he made a ton of errors, but he was moving really well and ripping the ball better than I expected.

    I remember how people kept starting threads about how Federer has lost so much speed, and according to some he has also lost "firepower" on his shots. He has gotten a bit slower, but not that much. He still has enough firepower to give even the big hitters a lot of trouble. The problem however was that his average rally shot has become somewhat weaker. If you look back at his peak form it looked as if he was constantly ripping the ball on most of his strokes and on such a consistent basis it was scary. However since the AO 2010 all I've seen is hitting with more topspin and not flattening out the shot when he has the chance. It's only during the second half of 2010 till this beginning of 2011 that he started applying some of his old playing style.

    Federer's recent failures aren't because he has stuck to his old ways, it's because he abandoned them. Good to see him return to his old ways, I believe it's the right approach.
     
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    On the subject of court conditions and how they've been deliberately slowed down- I feel Federer possibly could have won maybe 3-5 more slams by now if playing conditions (ie ball and court speed) were the same as they were in the 80's and 90's. Even Hewitt, Roddick and Safin may have won 1 or 2 more as well.
     
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    You know, I think players (especially the top 4) are hitting with more pace & spin than previously. This means the ball is coming at Federer faster & higher than previous players. Yes safin could hit with great pace, but it was a relatively lower, flatter ball, which was right in Fed's hitting zone. Federer was able to flail at these shots at will. Now he has to temper his shots (especially the high backhand) otherwise he'll constantly be missing.
     
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    Personally I don't really care if he makes no.1 again. He's proven himself here already. It's the no. of slams that a player's career is eventually judged by. I feel he still has the ability to win a few more. Will his no. of titles ever be beaten?
     
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    I would give him 70-90% of winning at least 1 more slam. I think he's capable of playing on the same level as 2010 AO and 2010 ATP finals again, and in that case he's unbeatable. He even played pretty good at this year AO, except Djokovic was unbeatable.
    And I guess 20-30% of regaining #1. He can easily overtake Rafa for #2 with a few wins, and then who knows what happens to Djokovic next year. He could get distracted and not train as hard since he's achieved what he wanted.
     
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    No, Fed won't be ranked #1 again but winning another slam(or even two) is a possibility.
     
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    I tend to believe that Nadal is the one on PED's. The commentators were openly speculating about Nadal's significantly improved speed of serve. They asked him directly, as a matter of fact.

    I tend to believe that Djoko's rise to no. 1 was more or less inevitable. I considered him to be the most talented player since 2009. He didn't have the confidence or experience to get past Roger and Nadal at that point, however.

    Djoko's breakthrough win was against Federer at last year's USO. Djoko looked both stunned (I finally did it!) and in disbelief (I finally did it?).

    Roger is at an age 29/30 where great men's tennis players begin to "decline." It's all relative though; he's just as good as he was a year or two ago, but Djoko is simply much better.
     
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    Serve speed was different last year, and if he only changed the grip - then why not use the same grip again?
    I also noticed his left bicep looked bigger during last year's US Open. Even at this year's French I think it looked bigger than it is now.
     
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    Fed doesn't need to prove anything to anybody. I don't think he'll get to #1 again but who knows? It is possible.
     
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    Not a chance in hell :)

    He'll be fortunate if he finishes 2011 in the top 3 as Murray is breathing down his neck. If Murray outperforms Fed at the Open, he's pretty much toast and will finish the year at #4
     
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    This is a BIG call. IMO Roger is the most talented of all time and continues to be. As for Djokovic's current form, well I find it dubious to say the least that a player who pulled out of every 3-5 tournaments because of "illness" could have such a monumental change of form. I also find it difficult to believe that (in my memory anyway) only a few high profile players have been caught using PED's. Petr Korda was one. What kind of tests are they using?
     
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    No. ..............
     
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    I think Murray is a joke. I just hope everytime he plays he loses simply because he's such a tosser. In any event Murray will NEVER make no.1, and (arguably) will never win a slam a la Henman. Just my opinion anyway.
     
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    IMO, you will see Murray holding a GS trophy and the #1 position at some point in the future ;)
     
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    Well, for this to happen- Federer will have to be retired, Djokovic will need to be injured and the same for Nadal. Likely? By that time more young guns will be there to challenge as well - Tomic anyone?
     
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    I think Murray is more talented than both Nadal and Djokovic. With a bit of luck he should win a few slams.
     
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    Murray has what it takes to beat all of the top 3 in a slam or slam final.
     
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    I don't think so.

    I'd be interested if he can get to number 2 though. That will give him a great chance of winning Slams, because it would potentially put Nadal and Djokovic on the same side of the draw. That scenario favours Federer's match-up advantage, since he loves playing the Serb and hates playing the Spaniard.

    Bit of a catch 22 though, because it's hard to see Federer passing Nadal in the rankings without winning a Slam or two first. Probably more likely that he'd drop to #5 first. :p
     
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    Just an observation- Federer has lost so many matches in the last few years that he's declined, after winning the first comfortably. He kind of coasts through the first and then starts to miss-hit balls and lose confidence and points. If he can string together consecutive sets of consistent play, consistently, then he can be a force again.
     
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    Murray could easily go on a Djokovic streak. Federer, likely not.
     
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    That is the kind of hate post that is truly irritating. Every player is moderately good before breaking through and being better than that. Djoko won masters and slam (and WTF + olympic medal) before 2011. He was consistently in top 3 for years. He beat Fed and Nadal several times before 2011. It's not like we're talking about a mediocre player, breaking through out of nowhere. Toni always said Djoko would become Rafa's main rival. Read Rafa's book: he says they knew Djoko would be the next big thing. By your logic, Fed was simply a top 8 player when suddenly, for no discernable reason, he started winning everything (non clay) in his 23rd year (2004). Suspicious, no? Guess what? One is not born #1, one becomes it. That means before becoming it, they're ranked something else. Man, convoluted logic if there was ever one! Who else has more talent other than Fed and Rafa? Who was more likely to challenge them?
    Health problems as well as tennis difficulties (serve motion) or confidence issues can be fixed or fluctuate over time. So what? That's what always happens in tennis. There was never a time when we didn't know Djoko had a lot of talent/potential.
     
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    That's because players are always juicing.
     
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    Lol. I really wouldn't know but in that case, there is no reason to single out Djoko anyway.
    Personally, I disagree. If it was juicing, people would be amazing right away. It takes time to fix losing to certain people, becoming more competitive, accumulating confidence. It doesn't happen overnight. It is clear it's always (or most of the time) a painstaking process.
     
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    No Roger Federer will never become number one again but I think he can win ONE or possible TWO more grand slam singles titles. Federer is too inconsistent now. But he proved at the French Open he can string it together he is dangerous.
     
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    As I said, it is my opinion.
     
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    Don't see it.
     
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    First, no I dont think Fed can get back to #1. He has shown he just cant hold it together long enough anymore. He will be like a older Pete or Andre and be able to hold it together for a tournament and win but not enough throughout an entire season to get a #1 ranking.

    As for Andy Murray, breathing down Rogers neck??? Really?? Is is close to 2000 points behind Roger in the rankings right now. I dont think that is breathing down anyones neck right now.
     
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    Never write off a champion... though Nadal and Djokovic seem to have his measure these days.
     
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    I doubt it. Unless Djokovic and Nadal get some serious injuries i cant really see Federer beating them.
     
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    I share your opinion,too.
     
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    By the looks of it Nadal won't get to no 1 again as well :)
     
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    I don't think he could be No.1 again. But maybe he can won 1 or 2 more grand slam titles.
    But I really hope he could be No.1 again. Return of the King.
     
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    Fed can be #1 again on the Champions Tour which he can play after remaining retired for 5 years.
     
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    Not a chance, he would be lucky if he reaches the quarters in the US Open
     
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    An opinion motivated only by irrational hatred and not substantiated by any fact.
    Pulling out of tournaments all the time? Really? He's played every single slam since 2005 and the only master I can think of he "pulled out of" was Madrid 2010. Never pulled out of WTF either AFAIK.
     
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    People on this board really need to quit lathering up in the Fed butter... reading all this "Fed will win the French Open", or "Flight of the Golden Eagle to Victory" are waaay over the top for this has-been... He won't even have a glimmer of hope at winning another slam unless Nadal, Tsonga, Djoker all get hurt.. And he gets an incredibly fortunate draw, and even then I don't think he'll do it... Move on from this old dog.
     
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    You think he will retire with 16 slams?
     
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    If you look at videos of Fed on youtube right before he plays a much now, you can totally see how is footspeed has declined. It may only be 1/2 a step, but a 1/2 step at such a high level can be huge.

    He also, doesn't seem to have the focus that he used to, and the drive that he used to. It's understandable because he's already won so much and now has children.

    I highly doubt he can ever regain the #1 ranking unless, Djoker and/or Nadal get injured. He just doesn't seem to be able to (or want to) play every tournament at the highest level.

    I think he'll just focus on the major's and try to keep his ranking reasonably high so he gets a good spot in the draw.

    He may prove everyone wrong however, but it's not looking that way.
     
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    If he can play like he did at the WTF and FO, then yes.
     
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