Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by tennis-silver, Apr 29, 2010.
tennis? I think some in our are do.
Yes, in most school districts home schooled kids can participate in all extracurricular activities. It makes sense since their parents pay the same school taxes as anyone else does in the district, yet there kids don't take up a seat in a classroom.
ok sure, thanks for the info. Wasn't sure if I had that right.
can you clear few things up first?
It was simply a typo - I meant some in our AREA do.
TennisCoachFL seemed to know what I meant.
do you have kids?
TCF assumption is wrong in our area. The kids that home school can not participate in our soccer program that is related to the school. How about the parents that rent, they do not pay property tax like the rest that own homes
Yep - got one of those instant families lol.
Ok so it may not be in all areas that home schooled kids can play team sports.
Thanks for the info.
yes. i did.
I believe TCF clarified it with "most" not "all" -- additionally, in some states (not all), the home school program is an extension of the public school system. So, those that rent and don't pay property tax can still play on the high school team.
Thank you. I did say most as I obviously do not know every school district in America. And I have no idea what renting has to do with anything. Homeschoolers may rent, some may own, regular students may rent, others may own.
As a landlord with several rental houses, I pay real estate taxes and include that in when I set my rental rates. So renters 'pay' real estate taxes too....the money just goes through the home owner and then on to the school district!!
yes, i am, and i do. i take part time classes at the high school but it doesn't matter. you can play either way.
TCF is trying to make sense out of homeschoolers should be allowed to play HS tennis, "It makes sense since their parents pay the same school taxes as anyone else does in the district" I am merely giving an example where homeschoolers parents that rent DO NOT PAY the same taxes as anyone else. It might be justified for TCF as a landlord but in the eyes of the town/state when you own a home you pay property tax, renters do not own a home they pay monthly lease. Besides, I did not bring up the issue of Tax TCF did. It has more to do with regulation and rules than Taxes. I think 20-25 states allow Homeschooler to participate in public school sports. But many states at least 25 if not more do not allow it. It seems homeschool parents have a problem with rules and regulations that are put in place and written by the town/school. I think the rules and regulations are obvious and speak for themselves.
Homeschoolers want equal access. Yet when they are given equal access along with rules and regulation they cry freedom.
They want their cake and eat it too.
To me its common sense. There is no difference in the percentage of homeschool parents who own or rent vs regular students. Some of each own, some of each rent.
There is no reason to deny homeschool kids access to sports in their districts...none. There is no common sense rationale. In fact, since the homeschool kids are not taking class space and teacher time, COMMON SENSE says that they should be welcomed into sports. Their parents are paying taxes for the schools, teachers, sports, etc. They are paying for services they do not use so allowing them sports is fair.
Pro Tour.....I respect your information on racquets, you have helped us in the past.
But you never, ever, ever, ever concede a single point to anyone. No matter what the topic, you have to be 100% right about it. You would tell a heart doctor with 30 years experience how to operate!
Thats fine, this is only a silly forum. But it gets a little annoying sir....no one is or should have the need to be correct on every single topic. Chill, relax, admit you are wrong at times....its healthy and good for your stress level!
TCF, it seems you are taking this a bit too personal and attacking me for having a difference of opinion just because you home school. I have nothing against homeschooling and might consider it and ask you about it. No one is right nor wrong in this matter. You are confusing common sense with the law. I go by what the statues and policies are in my state. The law is the law in these states, some allow some don’t, end of story. Here is a link from your advocates, they see both sides.
And no I do not have to be correct 100% please respond to this http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=4604182&postcount=60 “anything I am doing wrong” it is addressed to you.
I pay $11,000 in taxes a year and the neighbor down the street who homeschools rents for $800 a month (the landlord pays $3500 in taxes) , how are they paying as much taxes when it cost $11,000k per kid per year to go to public school in our district. They are cutting sports programs in our districte the last thing they need is more students who want to play sports that are not eligible. But, the real issue is academic minimum grades that the school requires you to have a “C”to be able to be eligible to participate. Homeschoolers do not have to go by this standardized testing score even though statistics show they are smarter. But rules are rules and if homeschooler are regulated then yes but many homeschool parents do not want this regulation. It is a double edge sword. Like I said they want their cake and eat it too. Well I am sorry it does not go this way in many states.
If a regular student gets caught with drugs or drinking they are kicked off the school team. Homeschooler do not have to go by this rule.
There are many rules some I agree with some not. Homeschooler have a big advantage over regular students especially in sports. Why even bother participating, I know I know it is their right in some states. But seriously TCF would you want your daughter to participate in HS tennis?,,,,, I did not think so, she will blow them all away by age 12.
bump, in light of the recent debate
Well here in Texas it's a no, UIL rules are explicit that to play in extracurricular activities must be enrolled students. I know there has been some push from the strong homeschooling community we have down here but I have it seen any changes in the current rules.
Thankfully Florida allows it. Tim Tebow won a high school state title while being home schooled.
Home schoolers are not subject to the same discipline rules as regular students because they do not come to the school. I do not think they should be allowd to play. If they want to play they can enroll in school. In Atlanta some of the academy kids are home schooled so they have more time to train. They too should not be allowed to play s hool sports.
I'm leaning towards agreeing. Also, I would want to know where the home schooled kids are playing - is it in a district where they live and pay the school taxes or do they have free reign to choose any school to play for? If so, I would definitely be against it.
Totally disagree. In Florida and most states that allow participation, home schoolers must be academically evaluated each year. Their must pass the same district residency standards as any other kid. Their parents pay district taxes. They have the same physicals. They must obey the coach and all team rules.
The only difference is that from 9-2 they are taught outside of school.
Its insanity, classrooms are too full, teachers over burdened, physical facilities need repair. Why on earth would we not ENCOURAGE some parents to take the burden off the schools and support proper homeschooling??
Not sure what public schools you know, but in many there is not a ton of discipline. Bullying is rampant, bad language, smoking in the boys room, you name it.
I would bet the average home schooled kid has WAY more discipline from 9-2 than the average school kid.
What and where do public school kids get disciplined until they have shot the place up?
Home school parents should be disciplined for sending them there.
This remark deserves no response
My kids attend a great school system that does discipline the kids and has high academic standards as evidenced in the test scores and other factors.
There is a flip side to this silly comment, home school parents should be disciplined for keeping their kids at home so they can do what they want with them, and get away with it. Use your imagination if you know what i mean.:twisted:
What are you suggesting. All parents should keep their kids home and let them wander the streets all day long? Can you imagine if we had 40 million kids home all day long!!!!
It has been proven that after school programs have lowered crime rate in some neighborhoods, meaning if the kids stayed in school for a few hours longer, chances are they will less likely get into trouble. And you want to decrease the # of hours!!!!! better yet, totally removing the # of hours of school attendance. It does not make sense.
Jeffery Dahmer father played college tennis for Wisconsin and played tennis with Jeffery who was on the HS tennis team for three years. Dad had a phd is chemistry, his mother had a masters in child education. Jeffery brother was not a mass murder like his brother who grew up in the same household. What happened? Was Jeffery born to become a mass murderer? We know he was taunted at school and he was left alone at home for several months ( his first murder) while his parents were going through a divorce . Would that turn you into a murderer? We know he dissected animals, would that turn you into a serial killer? He was a very good and well behaved student at school. Was his brain hard wired to turn into a mass murderer? I think it is a combination of everything, the perfect storm.
We can't completely blame parents for how their kids are going to come out, the debate is as old as nature VS nurture. So if child did not bond to parents and were taught love, they are destined to becoming a psychopath ?!?!!
Here is another take on "shooting the place up" http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-13-columbine-myths_N.htm
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