Can Murray get to number 1 with no Slam

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  1. janipyt05

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    Just wondering if it is possible and how you guys felt about that? The WTA yes i know no comparision is having that problem however is it important to be number 1 with a slam or not? What does it say about British tennis? What does it say about Murray's REAL ability to be a contender?

    i'm interested in your veiws they are som great people with some amazing posts
     
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  2. Commando Tennis Shorts

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    Unless someone way down in the rankings other than Nadal or Federer goes on a tear and wins a bunch of Grand Slams over the next few years, no.
     
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  3. batz

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    Yes - Murray could get to number 1 without winning a slam if:

    Murray won Montreal and Cincy back to back, Roger had 2 early (R3 or sooner) exits from those tournaments.

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    Murray makes USO final and Roger goes out early.

    What does it say about British tennis? Nothing.


    For the record - I'd hate to see it happen. Murray gets enough mindless abuse without adding fuel to the fire.
     
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  4. CountryHillbilly

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    Yeah, it's very unlikely.
    I was just gonna say that. The last thing Murray needs is to be a slamless No.1 on top of everything. :)
     
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  5. Commando Tennis Shorts

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    Is that true?

    It's times like these I wish I knew more about the rankings system...
     
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  6. wyutani

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    if murray get no.1, new rules will be made so that slamless no.1 wont be considered no.1
     
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  7. CountryHillbilly

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    It takes about 5 mins. Just look here

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_Rankings

    You can make up a slam with 2 Masters.
     
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  9. P_Agony

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    Murray will win a slam very soon IMO. He's almost there.
     
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  10. maximo

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    Murray's the best, why bother with the rest?
     
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  11. It would be a damn shame for all tennislovers,fans, the sport, well everyone...To me he is absolutely not no 1 material, he is an upsetter, a delayed supernova that will fade away soon when everyone figures out how to play him (of course not!!) I just dont fancy him very much...:?
     
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  12. If Fed plays Murray in Us Open the referee can say "-Fifteen-Love" even before the match starts! How about that??
     
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    if it does happen, expect federer to speak his mind
     
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  14. Federer speaks with his racket, thats why he has 15 slams
     
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  15. dragonfire

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    yes, i know, but remember fed & djoko both slammed murray at the AO - federer would filp if murray got #1 without a slam
     
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  16. tintin

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    that would be a bigger joke than the wta players getting there without winning jack:shock:
    I mean a 4th round in Australia
    4th round in Paris and a fluke semifinal in London and you're world #1?:roll:
    worse that Safina who made 2 slam finals and choked in both;);)
     
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  17. maximo

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    He made the QF's in Paris, dodo.

    And how was it fluke making the Semis?

    Federer winning RG and Wimbledon is what i call fluke.
     
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  18. Really? Thats what a call greatness!
     
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  19. batz

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    See above for an excellent example of what I was alluding to.

    Tintin - can I recommend countryhillbilly's link to you; the one that explains the ranking system.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_Rankings


    It's the place where the hard of thinking can find out that a player's ranking is not based on their results in the 3 previous slams - a notion that you seem to be labouring under.

    I'm also trying to figure out why Murray's SF appearance was flukey.
     
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  20. Wolland

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    Safina actually played 3 finals.

    And no, he can't. He would have to do extraordinary well in other tournaments, and Roger, Rafa and Novak would have to lose before the semis, which is highly unlikely. Anyway, I think that Andy has a good chance of getting to that number one spot, but I don't reckon he'll be able to dominate the game like Federer or Nadal.
     
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    I hope not...I mean look what Rafa went through to become # 1!
     
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  22. batz

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    And Murray made quarters @ RG, but internet player bashers don't let facts get in the way of anything.
     
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  23. Very good point, i agree.
     
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    And then TMOP tells me that Fed fans are the most knowledgeable on these boards. :roll:
     
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  25. Even the Fed-fan can be wrong about facts, and i think the Sampras fans are the most knowledgeable...some, not GameSampras though
     
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  26. Wolland

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    Though Rios would love to have some company, wouldn't he?:mrgreen:
     
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    Theoretically it's possible but not likely to happen,I do think Murray will reach #1 sometime in the future though.
     
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  28. batz

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    As someone pointed out a few days ago, Lendl was also number 1 for over a year before winning a slam.
     
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  29. Wolland

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    But he won it and people just forgot all about it. He proved himself worthy, didn't he?
     
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  30. batz

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    Too bloody right he did - more than worthy.
     
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  31. Wolland

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    Just not on grass. Grass is for cows. :grin:
     
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    8260 - 1000 for madrid + 2000 for cin and montreal (winning both) + 600 for the uso (if he wins) = 9860 after the uso for andy best case scenario

    for roger it looks like this

    11060 - 450 (madrid) - 1600 for early round loss in USO = 9010 now this is saying of course that roger gets no points from cinnci or montreal and goes out third round of the uso.

    possible scenasrio but HIGHLY unlikely
     
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  33. dropshot winner

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    I don't think that this will happen, but it could.

    If Murray goes far in Flushing Meadows and in Melbourne he'll have a lot of points, as he alwasy does well in the hardcourt masters that could be enough to overtake Federer.
     
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    i would actually like it if murray got to #1 without a slam. it would prove that even in the era of the 2 greatest players, anything is possible.
     
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    Its possible if for example:
    1. He wins Montreal and/or Cinci
    2. He loses to Roddick in the US Open final (meaning Fed loses about 1100 of the 2000 points he has to defend from last years's title)
    3. He defends his points from last year's carpet season
    4. He wins the year-end championship

    Then yes, its possible.

    However, I expect him to have a very good shot at winning the US Open...I still think Roddick will do it -- only Fed, Nadal, Murray or Roddick have a realistic chance to win US Open IMO.

    And if Fed played as sparingly in non-Slams as Serena, Murray would have a shot much sooner.
     
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  36. dragonfire

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    agree

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  37. drwood

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    He first became #1 in 83, but he wasn't year-end #1 in 83 (first slam was 84 French, and he wasn't year-end #1 then either, b/c of McEnroe's 82-3 yr)
     
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  38. janipyt05

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    Thank you so much :)
     
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  39. Cyan

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    I hope Murray wins a slam. I don't want him to be the new Rios.... He deserves better than that :oops:
     
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  40. tintin

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    no buddy Murray making the finals last year in NY was a fluke and you can't duplicate it?:roll:
    when you make annual finals in Paris for years it ain't no fluke; but nice try bozo:roll::roll:;)
     
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  41. NamRanger

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    If Murray makes it to world #1 and doesn't win a slam in his career than it would be hard to defend that he isn't overrated.



    However, I don't expect either to happen.
     
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    you can't defend that he's not overrated right now, according to die hard murray fans like maximo, he's the best in the world
     
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    Murray says NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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  44. batz

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    A couple of questions if I may.

    Who 'over-rates' Murray (Max excepted) on here, or in the tennis media in general?

    What form does this 'over-rating' take and why can we call this over-rating, rather than just being rated as the world number 3 should be?

    Thanks.
     
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  45. maximo

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    I don't overrate Murray. I simply speak the truth based on his abilities.
     
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  46. GameSampras

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    What would people actually say about this era now? If Murray actually reaches Number 1in the world without winning a slam..


    Would this era be regarded in the same vain of the Rios era where he spent some time at number 1 without winning a slam?


    Nope... People around here will still try and convince how strong the era is.. Regardless if the #1 player in the world is slamless
     
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  47. All-rounder

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    I know you don't overrate him but the expectations you give him make it out to be
     
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  48. nadalfan4life

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    Did you really just call him a dodo? Besides we all know Murray will never get to number one until he can win a couple grand slams which does not look likely for a while.
     
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  49. maximo

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    Saying he can win Wimbledon and the USO is overrating him? Don't be silly.
     
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  50. batz

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    Chill - he won't. It would involve the occurence of a highly unlikely combination of events.
     
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