Can Nadal complete 16 slams or more?

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What it be folks

Poll closed Jul 11, 2010.
  1. It could very well happen, time will tell

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  2. Ain't going to happen, every year I claim his career is over

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  1. jackson vile

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    If Nadal wins on sunday, he will be setting a very strong trend suggeting that he very well may be able to lock down at least 2 slams a year.

    Nadal would only need to win 2 slams a year for 4 years to match Roger.

    We have to consider that ;
    1) Every time people say it is over for Rafa, he comes back better and badder.
    2) Nadal still has room for improvement, very scary thought, and continues to do so
    3) Consider Aggasi who played many years with severly F'ed up back, I believe that Nadal will play until he dies and that is the only force that can stop him
    4) Nadal could skip all hard court games and play for a very long time on the natural surfaces where he dominates
     
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  2. muzza123

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    Doesn't sound like an "only" job, however you wish to word it!
     
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  3. Rippy

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    Those poll options are rather silly, aren't they? Should just be "yes" and "no".

    The second poll option lumps people who just don't believe he'll be able to do it with those who claim his career is over every year, so will result in less people choosing it if they don't agree with both the statements it makes.
     
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  4. jackson vile

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    Neither one is absolute, listen; things aren't absolute and this poll is well... rather polarizing.
     
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  5. meg0529

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    I really wish there were more options here. 16 or more, he'd have to be really luck to win, like all other players drop dead lucky. If Wimby and US happen this year :: fingers crossed:: then 11-12 are totally viable. With Rafa it's difficult to tell!
     
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  6. muzza123

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    Furthermore, last I checked Roger is still active on the Tour, so whilst Nadal may continue to acquire Majors, so might Rodge.

    Less of these type of threads please!
     
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  7. kanamit

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    Can we stop overhyping Nadal please? He'll retire the greatest clay courter ever, but he'll never even win a US open. He'll be one of the greats, no doubt, but break the grand slam record? Give me a break. It will require him to match his peak year for years and years more, when now he's having knee issues earlier despite having to play fewer and fewer tournaments.
     
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  8. jones101

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    I think 12 is deinitely viable, 16 is a LONG way off, but woth Rafa, like Fed, anything is possible.
     
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  9. muzza123

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    Well summarised.

    And Roger hasn't retired yet FFS!!!
     
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  10. cucio

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    The real question is, can Gulbis?
     
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  11. samboy01

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    Federer is done.

    Nadal will be in double digits very soon. After that, the sky is the limit! :)

    I see him ending with:

    3 AO
    8 FO
    4 WB
    1 UO

    That's 16 slams. Add the fact that he would have more master series than Federer, the gold medal AND a convincing head-to-head against him especially in grandslam finals. And there you have it: Nadal is GOAT :)

    Federer fans, I know that Nadal is younger, fiercer and making a move, please don't stab him :(
     
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    It still seems fairly silly to me to have a poll option that, in order to agree with it, you have to claim Nadal's career is over every year. That's obviously going to cause less people to choose that option.
     
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  14. miyagi

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    Poll options are immature, Nadal is my favourite player but I don't think he can get to 16 and even if he does I doubt Faderer will be retiring on 16.

    I would happy with anything over 10 and extastic at any over 12!
     
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    And every time people say Rafa is back and better than ever, he gets injured/exhausted/loses form etc. Can we please put an end to this cycle?
     
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  16. pvaudio

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    The poll options are so asinine. Nadal will not get close to doubling his slam total. His body simply will not work long enough.
     
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  17. meg0529

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    Amen to that!
     
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  18. JustBob

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    When Federer was setting a strong trend, people were predicting 20-22 slams. Considering that Nadal is prone to injury and that the competition is getting tougher, I believe that 12 is a realistic number.
     
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    ^^Yeah akv89 makes a good point. We don't know if Nadal is going to have any more injuries. It's not like his knees will magically remain healthy for the rest of his career.

    Another thing, some people used to think Roger would get 20+ slams. Then 2008 happened and some thought he wouldn't win another slam. From USO 08 to now he has picked up 4 slams. Nobody knows for sure whats going to happen in the future. There might be a new wunderkind to challenge the top 10, maybe even Donald Young could enter the goat discussion...lol
     
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  20. drakulie

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    If nadal was healthy, he would already have won more than 20 slams. So yes, once he gets healthy, he will never lose again...... even after he dies.
     
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  21. TMF

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    This thread doesn't add anything to a discussion except gloating Rafa. Expecting Rafa to win 9 more slams is just as bad as Davey saying Serena winning 8 more slams, or Roger will win 25 slams.

    Some posters need to get a life!!!
     
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  22. seffina

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    I see 13-14. 7 to 8 FOs, 3 SW19, 2 AO... maybe 1 USO.
     
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    I am a strong Nadal supporter, but for him to get the all-time majors record will require some obvious luck. Same as it did for Federer. Ten slams I am certain of. Twelve is very likely.

    As for Federer vs. Nadal. If Nadal gets 13 slams, and wins ever slam at least twice, then I will give Nadal the nod over Federer. In the end, Federer has done his job. He wiped Sampras of his baby, and kept Roddick hype off my tv set. Hopefully, there will be two people with more slams than Pete.
     
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  24. decades

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    I have him at 7 french
    2 ao
    3 wimby
    1 uso

    so 13 it is...
     
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    One word..Nope
     
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    He can do it.
     
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  27. Berundi

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    6FO
    1 W
    1 AO

    He can do it.
     
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  28. rosenstar

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    Basically, the OP is suggesting that if Rafa continues to dominate for the next 4 years, his career could potentially eclipse (or at least be lumped into the same category as) those of Federer, Sampras and Laver.

    However, it is very hard to dominate tennis for 4 years. I can't think of many players who have done this, maybe 5 in the open era (Samp, Fed, Borg, maybe MacEnroe?). 4 years without injury, for any player, is alone a remarkable achievement. 4 years of dominating tennis? Very unlikely.
     
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  29. thalivest

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    I think Nadal would need to dominate the next 2 and a half years, win 7 of the next 10 slams or so. There is no doubt his career will start tailing off after 2012, so he has to win as much as he can before then. I am not sure if winning more than 16 is realistic for him, catching or passing Pete's mark is more realistic. If he wins within a few slams of Federer including a U.S Open people will consisder him the better player anyway.
     
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  30. TheLoneWolf

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    I can't predict Nadal's future achievements, but I can predict threads predicting his future achievements.

    I predict, within the next 2 years, threads including titles like:

    Nadal will be GOAT.
    Nadal hasn't reached his peak yet.
    Nadal should retire.
    Nadal will be lucky to get 10 slams.
    Nadal will not reach the FO Final.
    Nadal will reach FO Final.
    Nadal injures his knees again.
    Nadal's right knee caught cheating with Shakira. Uncle Toni appalled.
    Nadal will be exposed for steroid use soon (This one started by Drakulie PhD)
     
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  31. kishnabe

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    LOL...I would say Nadal 12 if he stops improving...but if he does...he would obtain more but not more than Federer! As Federer will have 18-20 slams by the time he is done!
     
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  32. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    kanamit, you do realize many thought Nadal--with his type of game--would never be victorious at Wimbledon as well (no matter the arguments about today's "kind" of grass). There are no absolutes, so one would think this would apply to his chances to finally make a breakthrough at the USO.
     
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  33. Leonidas

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    12-14 GS and Nadal would as GOAT as federer. WHY? cause Nadal has:
    - stronger rivals (yes, Federer himself, Djoker, murray, delpo and soderling are way better than hewitt, animal party safin or former roddick)
    - has olympic gold medal (DO NOT FORGET THAT)
    -has winning H2H by far against federer.
    -has so far 2 davis cups.
    -has more MASTERS 1000 than federer.

    so, Nadal 12-14 GS would not be 16, but he would be same tier as federer
     
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  34. TheLoneWolf

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    Except there isn't such a thing as GOAT. Pancho Gonzalez told me so through the Ouija one time.
     
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  35. Rippy

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    Federer has beaten Murray, Djokovic, del Potro, and Soderling on his way to slam titles. :confused:

    (It's also amusing how you've only included the factors at which Nadal beats Federer)
     
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  36. dmt

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    Rafa will likely end up with 10-12 slams. I mean i am a fan but he has a chronic knee problem, plus hardcourts are his weakest surface and he might only win one or two more majors on hardcourts or he may never win a major on hc again. He is a lock for Roland Garros for the next two years, provided he is fit. He'll probably win wimbledon this year but he isnt a lock for wimby like he is for FO. Lets not get carried away here.
     
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  37. TheLoneWolf

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    You fail to notice his most precious quality (from a competition standpoint.) He's a stubborn and determined SOB. If he gets close to Fed's mark, it's going to be difficult to dissuade him to stop there.
     
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    Who won the Olympic gold in 1980 and 1984?
     
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  40. oberyn

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    I thought this was already noted in the record book with an asterisk. :confused:

    My sports almanac already has Nadal winning 2004-2010 French Opens, Wimbledon 2007-2009, and U.S. Open 2008-2009. Doesn't yours?
     
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    you´re right, but, how many? I´m sure most of his GS are not against nadal, murray or Djoker (the one against Soderling does not really count since Soderling was a novice and played way worse than he was playing). If you drop federer´s slams against hewitt, safin, roddick and so on, he´d be 7-8 or so right? fair enough, those slams do count, but you´ll agree that those rivals were not so good. That´s obvious
     
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  42. Leonidas

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    no pros were allowed to play i think. dont take credit away from him. federer lost to blake and nadal beat djoker and gonzalez on FAST HC. YES. Plus, you remember how happy was federer when he won the doubles thing? Sure every tennis pro wanted badly that gold medal. Not saying is a GS, but it should count way more than a Masters 1000 for sure
     
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    Murray, Djokovic, and Soderling have done nothing to prove they are better than Roddick, prime Hewitt, or prime Safin. It is ridiculous to claim Soderling is better than any of those, the guy hasnt even won a Masters title yet. Atleast Del Potro I can see he managed to beat Federer in a slam final during a stretch he was dominant again in slams.
     
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  44. Rippy

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    Not really.
     
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    same for you mate. im not trolling. first, you should get the facts right. back in the eighties, i think either pros were not allowed to play Olympic games in tennis or for some reason no good player would take part
     
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    Dude, you got it all wrong. My post was addressed to Berundi (who some people believe is a previously banned troll.)
     
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  47. DragonBlaze

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    Yea but the same happened against Nadal this FO.
    And Federer is a mentally weak crybaby who played way worse than he usually does against Nadal in all of the slam finals. So that means Nadal has 0 slams...

    Actually in the end Nadal has 0 slams, you know why? Because he never had to face and win against the raging beast of a tennis player that is no doubt the undisputed GOAT (or will be) and on top of that is one sexy mofo,
    the one,
    the only,
    el toro,
    raging bull

    Rafael Nadal!

    And no one else, except Fed has done so in the history of tennis (and Del potro!)

    So really

    Fed has 3 slams (2 against Nadal + Cincy)
    Del Potro has 1 slam
    Nadal and the rest of the ATP tour present and past combined have 0 slams

    Therefore,

    Fed = GOAT

    wat u think?:confused:
     
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    This... 16 is possible if he remains injury free and manages his schedule more intelligently in the future. I think he needs to sacrifice a HC tournament after Wimbledon to save his knees for the USO.

    He's already locked up the MS1000 record... with no end in sight there. He'll probably hit 25+
     
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  49. Bud

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    IMO, this is a pretty realistic scenario :)

    If Nadal ends up winning 14 majors... it will be questionable as to whether Federer is the more accomplished player of the two. Especially if he wins 8 FO's, more total titles and an additional gold medal at Wimbledon in 2012.

    Nadal is going for a double back-to-back win at FO/Wimby tomorrow. This would place him above Agassi, IMO.
     
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  50. Berundi

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    The point is if you were comparing Borg and Nadal for greatness, you couldn't consider Olympics, which is why gold medals are absolutely meaningless in GOAT discussions.
     
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