Can one really generalize about the fans of any single tennis player?

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  1. Russeljones

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    I have now come across several attempts at stereotyping fans whose lives are judged (guessed at) in accordance to the tennis player they have chosen to support.

    Are Federer fans unsuccessful in life, needing his success to be lifted above the mediocrity of their own reality?

    Or is this just bogus bad loser rationalisation?


    Personally I think every fan looks to the sport and particular athlete for inspiration and positive emotions.

    Fan:

    Paul Dickson, in his Dickson Baseball Dictionary, cites William Henry Nugent's work that claims it comes from fancy, a 19th century term from England that referred mainly to followers of boxing. According to that unsupported explanation, it was originally shortened to fance then just to the homonym fans. However, Merriam-Webster, the Oxford dictionary and other recognized sources define it as a shortened version of the word fanatic, and the word did first become popular in reference to an enthusiastic follower of a baseball team. (Fanatic itself, introduced into English around 1550, means "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion". It comes from the Modern Latin fanaticus, meaning "insanely but divinely inspired". The word originally pertained to a temple or sacred place [Latin fanum, poetic English fane]. The modern sense of "extremely zealous" dates from around 1647; the use of fanatic as a noun dates from 1650.) However, the term "fancy" for an intense liking of something, while being of a different etymology, coincidentally carries a less intense but somewhat similar connotation to "fanatic". The word emerged as an Americanism around 1889.

    Supporter is a synonym to "fan" which predates the latter term and as such is still commonly used in British English, especially to denote fans of sports teams. However, the term "fan" has become popular throughout the English-speaking world, including the United Kingdom. The term supporter is also used in a political sense in the United States, to a fan of a politician, a political party, and a controversial issue.


    Discuss.
     
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  2. Colin

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    No, you can't ... and only a Nadal fan would say so. :twisted:

    But, truthfully, with the top men I think you can find a spectrum of fans, good and bad. Even though I'm clearly flying in the clouds with the Golden Eagle (and it's not just the economy-size bottle of wine I consumed while I watched DVR'd Olympics matches), there are some fans of Roger on this forum that are clearly more annoying than some Rafa fans (though they're an exception to the rule, thankfully!). No, we don't necessarily need another thread on how Roger holds the record for most consecutive matches won while wearing a red polo, though I personally would become giddy over that statistic.

    For example ... guys like MichaelNadal who can applaud a good performance from his favorite's rival or Mustard, who can provide some cool objective stats on an array of players, past or present. From the merits of their posts, I can respect their affiliation, even if I don't root for their tennis hero. But then they're sometimes overshadowed by someone who will create 20 alternate accounts so he can spam the board with obsessive posts about how Nadal will win the next 52 French Opens without dropping a set. (I'm not naming any names, but that's mainly because I'm not positive of the moniker of the latest alias).
     
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    In my native tongue I have an equivalent for "fan" and an equivalent for "supporter" which is much more commonly used than "fan". These two words clearly explain the difference.

    Supporter is all about sports. S/he loves tennis, and s/he would enjoy watching nearly every player (except for the least liked on a personal basis).

    Fans are running after a player/team, and don't notice anything else. When they come to the tournament, their main goal is to make 1000000000000000000000 pics of the centre of their universe, get his autograph (at least 5 times), mob him every time he leaves the protected area, run around the stadium for hours to find his practice court, etc. They are interested in the other players only as opponents of their idol, or DC team partner.

    You wouldn't belive me, but I saw lots of these psychos in the tournaments where they bought fairly expensive tickets, came to the tournament from some other country, wasted money on their airtickets and hotel, and ... they would watch ONE MATCH PER DAY. Played by their idol. Though in a slam you can watch 5-7 matches per day(incomplete, but at least you see a lot of players, and can assess their level which is very amusing in the forst few days of the tournament). And in the masters events five matches are guaranteed in the Centre Court, and you can grab another couple of them peeping in the outside courts.

    I am a Rafa Nadal supporter, and I could describe a typical day in the stadium of a typical Rafa fan.
     
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    Good post. In terms of statistics, isn't it inherently more probable to find more "bad posters" among the largest portion of fans on here? Are there any discrepancies in such a theory? Let's keep it civil (to everyone).
     
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    Both Federer and Nadal fans are fond of generating piles upon piles of irrelevant stats in an attempt to inflate their idol's achievements.
     
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    I have found certain corelations between some fan bases and particular personality traits/world views.

    Of course its not 100%, but they do exist...
     
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    It's always been a damming indictment of all sports nevermind tennis.
     
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    you mean like the self-agrandazing of Nadal's fans??? i agree!!!
     
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    Time to search your closet again, Gorecki...
     
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    Members of a particular players fanbase are going to share some things in common, they did after all find something in their chosen favourite player that appealed to them.

    I'm saying yes. Not all generalisations are true, but neither do they have to be negative.
     
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    Fans of any athlete or team can generally be grouped by age: younger = idolizing and idealizing, older = cynical and skeptical. Younger fans have heros as an attachment to their own ego and self image, so they have a greater need to see that person/team in more absolutes, i.e. he can do no wrong, I must wear what he wears, etc. Older fans have been around the track a few times, generally don't have their own egos and self image attached to a hero, have less need to see the person as infallible, may in fact feel competitive with him and have a need to put him down once in a while. There are of course exceptions to these generalizations (such as Breakpoint and Federer).
     
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    And about a half a dozen posters from the former pro player discussion section and Laver.
     
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    Agree with your post and thanks for the shout out :)
     
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    Yes, Fed Fans=living vicariously thru their 'classy' hero. Often times the beta and omega males, living sadly thru their 'white knight' hero, defending his honor tirelessly and lashing out at anyone who questions his tenuous hold on GOATdom. Most Fed fans I meet in real life at the bars etc...are nice guys who don't have the guts to challenge me when I point out some flaws in his 'omg best ever' resume...smiling politely and then asking me to help them pick up women LOL...I see where they all go after the night is over to vent their frustrations. Fed's appeal lies in that he is a great success but relatable to many dorks; Mirka looks like a Star Trek fan.

    Nadal fans=often times lacking logic. I think the average IQ of Nadal fans online might be lower than any other segment. Some are decent online, but a strikingly large amount seems to be nice enough but rather dim-witted...much like their hero.

    Djokovic Fans= Honorable, courageous, and dedicated individuals. The alpha males in life who realize that being such is all about living life with heart, passion, dedication...not being afraid to cry...working hard and playing hard. Djokovic fans embody their icon's legacy of 'Similing at Adversity.' Djokovic fans probably do well in business, with the opposite sex, and have rich and variegated personal lives.
     
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  15. billnepill

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    You really shouldn't extrapolate your features over your fellow Nadal fans.
     
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    I imagine the average Nadal fan as a hyperactive, scrawny 12 year old with severe ADD and a closet full of matching purple or pink headbands and wristbands.
     
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    That is just ridiculous. First off I am 13. Second of all, pink does not suit my complexion.
     
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    do you think i will find there some sense and logic to help you understand some basics about coherence?
     
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    The bs in this post is so strong I can smell it from here. Lol.
     
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    Murray fans tend to be very humble, hopeful, and exceedingly optimistic even against the greatest of odds.

    We.

    Are.

    Murray.
     
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    You have to learn to 'smile at adversity.'
     
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    Have you met Maximo?
     
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    Nadal fans are mostly women before 35 and young kids, both attracted to the Superman-type physique and heroics. The former would want to sleep with Nadal, the latter would want to be like Nadal.

    Federer fans are usually older, better educated and more realistic about life - women after 35 (with maturity they gradually shift their sexual preferences from raw muscle to intangibles like brains and social success) and most men who can relate to Federer's "normal" body shape and manners.

    Djokovic fans are very diverse. You can see typical bandwagoners, nationalistic people from the Eastern Europe, Fedal haters (as a form of anti-social protest "occupy ATP"), and so on. It is hard to generalize them just like it is hard to define what Djokovic is all about.

    Murray fans are Brits and weirdos. They are usually the quietest, politest and most educated people worth having serious conversations with.
     
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  24. YellowBall77

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    Murray Fans= DORKS
     
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    Pure rubbish.
     
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    Yellow Ball isn't merely an uncanny prognosticator. Apparently, he's also a bad@ss and a true ladies man.
     
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    People who put support of a player (or an era) before passion for the sport aren't really tennis fans. Not to mention that they generally don't know squat about tennis. Unfortunately, they are the overwhelming majority on this forum.
     
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    "whaaa!.....the bs in this post!....pure rubbish!...."

    Haha....not bad......

    Hey Clarky, just a wild guess, but: are you a Fed fan?

    Funny stuff YB.
     
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    Haha.. sorry
     
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    Christ sakes, The majority of the time Mustard googles up stats for the sole purpose of trying to discredit Federer's accomplishments, he has about a thousand posts trying to build up Laver as the GOAT, and admitted he doesn't believe it himself, he only does it because others are supporting Federer as the GOAT. He is on a futile propaganda campaign to build up Nadal and tangentially discredit Federer any way possible. This is the basis of the majority of stats he googles up and pastes here, pathetic. Funny, how posters can't see his true colors, and think he is reasonable. He is somewhat passive, that is the only thing that makes him seem reasonable. If you really take a deeper look, you will see he is one of the most extreme Nadal fans on the board.
     
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  31. Antonio Puente

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    God forbid a Nadal fan should make a case for Nadal. :)

    If anything, this post exposed your fanaticism and zealousness. You apparently cannot stomach a divergent viewpoint.
     
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    :):):)

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Mustard is worth 100 banned zillas/aphex's/djokovicfortheloss because he doesn't clutter up the forums with worthless garbage posts and he is capable of having a civilized discussion even when he doesn't share the same viewpoint as the fedophiles.
     
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    Take your pink headbands/wristbands and get out of the Federer warehouse.

    Okay?
     
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    Federer fans are disgraceful and ignorant, they also think they are in some special club lol even thought 90 percent of people love federer
     
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    You should make your avatar bigger. And while you are at it, you could Photoshop a big ice cream in that trophy cup. It would look like RoFed is doing an advert for Weight Watchers. :)
     
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    I have the stats myself, thank you very much, in my notes.

    And I laugh at you saying I'm on a propaganda campaign as if you are somehow neutral and objective. LOL. As for the GOAT argument, a load of different players have a case for being GOAT, and a lot of people these days seem to think that Federer is the only candidate. In reality, I don't really see how any player can definitively win the GOAT argument, because different eras are different (some drastically different from others). There is nothing wrong with putting Laver's case out there, when a lot of Federer fans are putting forward Federer's case.

    And yes, I'm a Nadal fan, and can sometimes be biased against Federer. I don't deny it. However, I do respect Federer's achievements and how he has played a big part to push tennis to such heights in this era.
     
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    There is more BS in this thread than in Gimelstob's commentary.
     
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    Fed fans vs Nadal fans

    One thing I have realized is that, due to the H2H and the fact that Nadal is always favored when they play each other, Nadal fans always hope for Fed to make it to the Final, whereas Fed fans seem to always pray that Nadal loses so that he doesn't make it to the Final. This makes Fed fans look a little desperate sometimes, but I can't blame them. I think Nadal fans were probably doing some of the same last year with Djokovic, although I think the greatest portion of Nadal fans actually wanted Nadal to play Djokovic for payback, because they somehow still believed in Rafa. This points to the fact that Fed fans seem to have lost hope in balancing the H2H against Nadal.
     
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    Mustard is a Rafa fan (he's technically a **** for Muster, hence his handle), but he's objective and ::GASP:: knowledgeable about tennis history that dates prior to 2010.

    Laver needs more people making his GOAT case, imo. There's no denying that Fed is the most accomplished player of all time, but people will argue about the GOAT forever and Laver needs more love than he gets, imo.

    I feel like 97% of all fans of players are pretty normal, likely attracted to a player or their game due to allegiance to a nation, a style, a look, a memory etc. Unfortunately for the 97%, the 3% of ridiculous freak shows are drawn to anonymous internet message boards, where anything goes.

    It's impossible (and downright wrong, imo) to draw parallels or generalizations of an entire fan base from what is posted on these boards, MTF, or anywhere else. You've got the most passionate of all fans, some bordering on mentally unstable (these people exist in every fan base), and some who post 20 times a day. Normal people aren't like that. Hell, I feel like I'm here all the time and I've averaged 1.94 posts per day in my 6 years here. I can't imagine posting 10+ times a day on average.
     
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  40. jerriy

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    Complete and utter ********* rubbish.

    Clearly Fed's fans aren't primarily motivated by success but by his game first and foremost. That's why they believed he was the goat way back before he collected the trophies he has. In fact one of the criticisms of Fed fans way back then was that they were wrong to consider him goat because (at the time) Sampras was still the more successful guy in the stats. But clearly Fed fans weren't interested in the stats in and of themselves but only as a confirmation of what he demonstrates on the tennis courts. Only *********-type bandwagoners are interested in just simply who had the biggest amount of success (since that is the reason many of them became ********* in the first place: they desperately wanted someone, anyone, to halt Fed in whatever way possible :lol:

    On the other hand, Fed's (now leading) stats are but only a mantle to the real jewels: his game. That was, is, and will always be the first and primary love. If you don't like Fed's game - you can't even be a legitimate fan (which is something that happens all the time with Nadal: lots of people are a fan of him while still not being a fan of his tennis)
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    I think the apparent contradiction lies in the fact that you are generalizing. The "Fed fans" you refer to (the ones who followed him from the very beginning) are a minority, as I'm sure is also the case of Nadal.

    The vast majority are bandwaggoners. And that's where RJ's insight rings true.
     
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  42. jerriy

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    That's the LITERALLY specified intent of this thread :)
     
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    Checkmate. :)

    Actually, not. You are generalizing based on 5% of the posters. You can't generalize based on such a small percentage. But, like I said, this applies to the Nadal camp too.
     
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    Considering that people kept going about "Federer Warehouse" etc even before Federer's Wimbledon, there must have been a significant proportion of Federer fans (at least on this forum) that stuck by despite the 29 month slam drought.
     
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    Please, Mustard is knowledgable and a straight shooter.

    What?! A mentally weak crybaby with no BH who can only win anything of note in a weak era (or when the true warriors of the tour are tired from their epic battles) and can barely keep a ball in the court unless he has a roof over his head has an entire warehouse dedicated to him?

    Have I mentioned his whale of a wife? How about his immense luck, cakewalk draws and choking opponents?
     
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    First of all, russeljones is NOT a Rafa fan. Secondly, if you don't want to be called *******, don't abuse the other fans. Thirdly, even when Rafa fans do not like Federer, they are still civil to Federer and his fans (I am not speaking about this forum, many of the local pundits look as if they are posting directly from the nutteries and haven't seen a tennis match in their exacting lives).

    In Roland Garros this year a saw how Rafa fans leaving PC court because they didn't like Federer's game gave their PC tickets and re-entry cards to the fedfans desperately trying to get to the first Fed's match. Both groups knew whom they cheered for because all of them were wearing their cheering gear.
     
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  48. Fedex

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    Are you a psychologist Netspirit?
    Generalisations like this are hard to do but that was a damn good effort.
     
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    That's the question, isn't it? :)
     
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  50. Russeljones

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    He is actually always reasonable and comes across as well mannered.
     
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