Can someone post videos of 4.0 and 4.5 players???

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  1. Bellagizmo

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    I recently jointed ultimate tennis summer league testing out the men's 4.0...After my first 3 weeks, it shows that I'm under-rated and will not qualify for the playoffs according to their 1st season rookie rule....However, I feel that I'm playing in correct level... Maybe some of these guys are over estimating their levels??
     
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  2. NamRanger

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    It depends on where you live. Because a 4.5 Southern California player or a Florida player is completely different from a 4.5 from a oh say, Minnesota.



    This is about right though : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KspyZ4aAG5Q&feature=channel_page
     
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  3. Bellagizmo

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    I live in Texas.
     
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    There really shouldn't be any excuse than; 4.0s / 4.5s in Texas are usually fairly good. Unless you're playing just as good as the guys in the video above (that's a 4.5 tournament), then they shouldn't keep you out.



    Truth is though, if you joined a 4.0 league and wrecking shop, you either A. underrated yourself (which I highly doubt, most people tend to overrate themselves) or B. everyone else just really isn't a 4.0 (which is a likely explanation).
     
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  5. Bellagizmo

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    Indoors I could probably beat those guys in the above video...my fitness and conditioning is not in top shape for the outdoor heat yet...:cry:
     
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    Usually if this is a non-usta league such as a club league, ratings tend to be inflated because players want to compete against better players even when they aren't really good enough. In sanctioned USTA leagues though, it is sorta the opposite because teams want to advance to Nationals and so they tend to under-rate themselves, but its most often due to pressure from captains who want a winning team and seek out players that are above level.

    Chances are you are playing against more players who would rate at 3.5 in an actual usta league. If these so-called 4.0 players also play usta leagues though, then chances are that maybe you are a 4.5 player.
     
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  7. Bellagizmo

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    I looked up some of the names of these guys in the ultimate league..half are 4.0 usta league rated and half are 3.5 guys...maybe that explains why 2 of my early opponents didn't really compete on the court...another guy I would prob label weak 4.0 bc he didn't have a winning shot weapon....He could hit most of the shots back all day but was a nonthreat in the backcourt if I didn't commit unforced errors...
     
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  8. SlapShot

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    I think that the regional thing is exaggerated a bit - the top players in each section are probably close to on par, it's just that the depth of players in MN (or most northern regions) is much, much shallower than the depth in SoCal or Texas.

    I agree with Raiden - most people tend to overrate themselves when they aren't playing USTA league by simply looking at the USTA guidelines, which aren't really very effective with regard to accurately self rating.
     
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  9. luthertn

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    i also live in texas ^^ which part your from?
    I seen some good players in texas
     
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    I live in TX too :). Dallas/FT worth area. Some good tennis players around here. Atleast the one's that come on the courts i hit on usually..and occasionally the beginners.
     
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    Is this true???!!! :shock: Not being American, I never knew this. No wonder no-one ever agrees or has a clear idea on players levels?! This system is surely messed up?

    R.
     
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  12. Bellagizmo

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    houston :)
     
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    this video was really 4.5???
    i mean im pretty sure that even on clay i can beat those guys without much effort and i didnt know i was on that high level nowadays since i dont even play much
     
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    Judging from your posts, you wouldn't be able to get a ball into the court so how could you beat those guys?
     
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  15. Slicendicer

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    Batta-Bing...
     
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  16. Slicendicer

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    I moved to Houston for 3 months in '06 before I injured my back. I wasn't in great shape and hadn't played tennis in 5-6 months. I joined a 4.5 league and rolled every guy I played in Houston, probably 15 or more players in the league, I never lost a set. The #1 league player @ 4.5 was a guy named Louis, anyway... I'm sure there are some very good players in Houston, their has to be... it's a huge city. The 4.5 I played in Houston were low-mid 4.0's from Atlanta standards. Try joining a 5.0 league and see what happens. :)
     
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  17. Wes_Loves_Dunlop

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    Wow if those guys are 4.0's, then i must be a 4.5. Most people on my freshman team serve harder, hit harder, and do almost better in eveyrthing than them.. wow
     
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    Slicer,

    My friend is 46 yrs old and only 5'5....He'll show you a beating along with a side wager...:mrgreen:
     
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    Here we go again.... :roll: 'If those guys are 4.0 then i'm a pro!!1!1', 'Those guys are 2.5 at best...' etc.
     
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    i would not go that low, but yeah here we go again. i'm a high 4.5 ( a real one) and i would roll both of those guy and probably not lose more that 1 game per set.

    i dont know, i play 4.5 and 5.0 all the time and the level of play and overall speed is a good bit higher than these guys.

    my suggestion is to go talk to a pro and get a more informed opinion. i'm not a pro yet, but i take my tests in july, and i say they are not 4.5 by any means.
     
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  21. Slicendicer

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    Wow... you're friend must be a baddass... I have a friend who can beat your friend. :shock:
     
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  22. Bellagizmo

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    My point is you claim to beat every guy in houston like a dirty step child...You're 6'3 and a former college player so you should be able to take out my buddy who's 46 yrs old and only 5'5...Don't tell me you're scared of a short guy?:wink:
     
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  23. Slicendicer

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    Get a life.
     
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  24. Bellagizmo

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    slicer,

    I'm only an average 4.0...set up fair odds and I will play you for big money also....I should be outclassed according to your theory b/c I would only make it in the 3.5 Atlanta region...you claim to be a solid 4.5 so you should beat me like a dirty stepchild everytime...I'll take 3-1 odds:mrgreen:
     
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  25. Slicendicer

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    I have a trip to Houston possible in August. I don't want your money, but I will give you a free lesson.:)
     
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    No, its people still thinking that ratings aren't based off of results, just how hard you hit the ball.
     
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    well, i have a friend, that can beat both your friends together :shock::shock:
     
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    We'd need to ask Drakulie, but I think that most of his videos are from an open clay court national championship. I do believe that it was 35s and over, but still, give me a break! There are so many delusional 4.0s who have never seen a video of themselves playing.

    Remember when Drakulie pulled a fast one and showed a video of multi-time USTA national open champion in the 40s (a guy who used to be a 7.0 when he was young) who was playing a defensive point and people were rating him a 3.5 or lower?
     
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    u know, usually guys who comment something about game in general know more than those who write 50 posts per day saying how fed/nadal is incredible
    so please... whats ur level btw?
     
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    They are all easily 4.5 (most of them are probably 5.0s) if not better. Those two players specifically in that video would 6-0 6-0 most players here. I'd take maybe 2-3 games max per set if I was lucky and in shape. The reason why Drak used that video is because they are playing on a green clay that is very damp, meaning the ball will be traveling at very low speeds after the bounce.
     
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    That's if you are playing in a regional / national USTA tournament. However, local tournaments in SoCal, Florida, Texas, Virginia, and other warm weather states tend to have a more abundance of 4.0/4.5 players. This means that ratings generally for a Texas area tournament should be about right, especially in large cities such as Houston, Dallas, or Austin. While a local 4.5 tournament in Minnesota, can have a bigger range, meaning the occasional 4.0 will sneak into the 4.5 simply because there aren't enough people, or vice versa. So yes, sometimes in smaller states, you can get a 4.5 who really isn't a 4.5 (local tournament wise, not regional/national levels).
     
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    how do they rate the level of play in Australia?????
    With what type of rating system is like you guys have in America.

    cheers
     
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    Agreed. I play in Southern California and these guys are solid 4.0-4.5. This would equal an 'A' player in older nomenclature.

    Thanks to the OP for a perfect example of a 4.0-4.5 player.
     
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    I dont think Tennis Australia has anything like the NTRP thing but I could be wrong.
    There is a pretty comprehensive ranking structure that includes players from 12/under to Open and Professional Level

    This is the ranking system and calender:
    http://www.tennis.com.au/pages/image.aspx?assetid=RDM39725.4746934606

    The ranking list
    http://www.tennisrankings.com.au/
     
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  37. raiden031

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    First you say that a 4.5 from one area is different than a 4.5 in another area, now you are saying that in some areas there are simply more players playing up at the wrong level. I don't think that a 4.5 tournament with a bunch of 4.0 players means that 4.5 is different in that area than another, just that there are a shortage of 4.5 players in that area. As long as there are USTA leagues to normalize ratings in any given area, then NTRP levels should represent the same level of play everywhere.
     
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    That's what I was trying to say. Yes at the very top Minnesota's 4.5 is just as strong as a Southern California 4.5. However, when you start moving down in depth, some of Minnesota's 4.5s aren't quite at the 4.5 level yet, while SoCal still has plenty of them to go around. So what sometimes happen is that when you move to Minnesota, and let's say you're a 4.5 player. You go play a tournament there, and you completely blow away the competition. Most likely it's because everyone overrated themselves. When regionals/nationals come around though, everything usually fixes itself.



    But anyways, I think the NTRP system is pure bollocks anyways. The rating system is just too easy to sandbag/overrate in, which results in a few tournaments where you either simply get blown away, or you blow someone away.
     
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  39. BAB AERO

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    Thanks nfor304
     
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    I played in Ultimate tennis a few years ago. The ratings in this league are not supposed to be USTA ratings. I played 6.0- and was moved up to 6.0 after a good season. USTA has me rated as a 4.5
     
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    something must be wrong with me.

    I dont see these guys being anyhting less than 5.0
     
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    I play in NSW and I've never seen it used anywhere for competitions or leagues, though I havent played anything like that for about 4 years since I mainly just play tournaments.

    The only time I remember seeing it at all was at the Sydney International where they had a clinic type thing to grade people
     
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    I disagree. I could put up a fight with these two and I'm somewhere between a 4 and 4.5.

    A 5.0 (open player) player could (and has) kicked my butt, 6-0, 6-0. Actually a number of Open (5.0+) players have spanked me pretty badly. They are completely different animals than these two shown on the video.

    IMO, the guys shown are solid 4-4.5 players, however.
     
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    I take it back...these guys would probably beat me 2 and 2 easy...:)
     
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    you must be joking

    if you watch that video, the receivers high, short, slow slice return of serve at 11 seconds would 50% of the time be hit with an outright winner by a USTA 5.0 here in Southern California.

    the other 50% it would be a difficult punishing shot to get back.

    but if you watch that rally the server literally does nothing with the ball, no angle, no pace, doesn't run up to net, nothing..... just politely hits the shot back to the opponents forehand - not even the backhand.

    As for the rest of the rally, there are numerous short slow balls hit by both players that would have been killed by a 5.0 player

    at 27 seconds, guy closer to us gets presented with a sitting duck short shot down the middle (bounces in the middle of the service box) and literally hits an even shorter worse shot to the opponent which gives the other guy a great chance to slice approach the net, 2 bad shots in a row.

    These guys are IMO very consistent 4.0s or low 4.5s (lack of weapons on both sides)
     
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  47. Shangri La

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    You can always find some 'weak shots' when watching someone else play, at any level, even in Federer's matches. If anyone knows which tournament it was, then we will have an idea what level these guys are supposed to be at. If it was a national event, you can even find out who these guys are and their ratings.
     
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    take a look at the blue shirt guy's serve motion, smooth strokes, and footwork, no way can he be a 4.5, much less 4.0. actually it wouldnt surprise me if he played at 5.5+ level at a younger age.
     
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