Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by ogruskie, Mar 21, 2008.
It's just a joke, my friend.
You're the one saying you couldn't imagine having a minuscule amount of fat on your stomach. In other words, you're the definition of close minded.
I must quibble with this slightly too. In my experience as a former sprinter, we were almost always more ripped than the distance runners in terms of body fat and muscularity, and we weren't doing ANY endurance training. In fact, once the season got going, we wouldn't run more than 400 meters ever, and would take a good rest after going 200 meters.
I'm in my 30s today, not in good shape and I still have below a 12% body fat level. I mostly just play tennis and do some mild sprinting. I think diet is the most important factor, but after that I'd always recommend weight lifting over endurance work as a way to get ripped.
That just shows that high intensity training burns more calories per duration of time than endurance training. In other words, sprinting or jumping rope is far superior to running on a treadmill or doing the elliptical.
12% is not miniscule. That's huge, IMO.
I also used to be a sprinter. WildVolley has it right.
Yes, everybody knows El Guapo is guapo.
Some of it is genetics, but a lot of it has to do with your physical condition you had during the majority of your high school and college years. At some juncture in your adolescence, your set point (i.e. leptin-bodyfat axis) starts to become static. If it's very low, then it's easier for you to keep lean for your adult life, given all other activities and dietary habits equal.
It's not just about being lean. Some of it has to do with the muscle mass (FFMI) you carry, but also the relative anaerobic conditioning of the muscle mass you were carrying. If that was all very good when you were young -- and it would be excellent if you were a serious sprinter, pole vaulter, wrestler, etc. -- then it will carry over into your adult life. One would think that this applies to soccer and tennis players too, but that tends to vary more.
If you're into your 30s and in the situation Phil is describing, then it's much harder.
If true, this is very interesting and also scary. A friend and I were discussing how fat school age kids are these days. Even compared to the 1980s when I was in school, kids today are balloons. If your set-point theory is correct, these kids are going to end up having trouble with obesity their whole lives.
In fact, that's the argument that a lot of dietitians are making to the American public. Childhood and adolescent obesity raises the chances of Type-II diabetes and heart diseases in your adult life, significantly.
I think that the people are going a little to harsh on the OP. To the OP, get stronger. Getting stronger will build on muscle and get you bigger musclewise. Look at Nadal, he is a big guy and moves magnificently.
Don't be worried about getting too big. Work on getting stronger, quicker, building some muscle, and you'll eventually figure out when you're sacrificing speed, movement, and flexibility for extra mass. Also, if you play tennis consistently you'll realize that you getting bigger is difficult because you're burning so many calories with tennis that gaining them back and getting a surplus is very difficult, especially eating healthy.
I was talking about optimal BF%. In middle age, family, work, Dunkin' Donuts, all intervene in lives and make a lot of people FAT. But, it isn't necessary if you watch your diet. You don't have to hit the gym 5 days a week like some of the crazy triathletes on this board. <cough, cough>.
Don't leave us crazy goin to the gym 5 days a week tennis players out of the fun.
Yeah, Dunkin' Donuts has been the downfall of many a good man and woman...I'm not a crazy triathlete like you, but still I have to hit the gym 5 or 6x a week. I do quite a bit of cardio. I love food-not crap food, but the good stuff, and I refuse to "diet" (other than cutting sugar and unrefined carbs down to almost zero). So I go to the gym. If I didn't follow this routine, I would look like the sumo wrestler Konishike.
I admire your determination, Phil, but hey, some people like a little pain. You're on the treadmill for 60 minutes so you can enjoy your next meal. Now that's what I call dedication to food!
You know I'm bustin your chops, Phil.
That is one huge dude. His grocery bill is probably like the average American's mortgage payment.
Sounds like you are pretty fit, Phil. As you age, try for leaner. It's my view that the older you get the leaner you should try to be. (think joints) Older age group athletes tend to be very lean, even in tennis. Look at the builds on the USTA's top 10 guys in 50's-80's. Lean, lean, lean. They also tend to be pretty short. <moan> My goal is to get down to 160 lbs for this tennis season. I'm down to 167 now.
And how tall are you, Robert? 167 seems like a slim weight for anyone over 5'10.
Yeah, but the thing is...you're absolutely right about that! Also, I like to drink a beer now and then...
I've been fitter, but I'm getting to where I want to be again. I agree that leaner is better, especially if one is counting on living a long and life with minimal pain. Not many obese or even moderately fat 80-year olds out there. But with my build there's only so far I can go. I couldn't get to 167 even if I went on a three-month hunger strike!
Yep. If the current trend continues, 1 of every 2 kids born in this generation will develop Type 2 diabetes. That's a scary, scary statistic. It's debatable, but some estimates already place diabetes care consuming 25% of medicare/medicaid funding. Throw in the fact that 9/10 people on a "diet" will fail or will regain lost weight and it looks grim. We don't just need increased activity and adherence to proper eating but a complete paradigm shift in the way our population looks at food/eating/activity. The good thing is, my job prospects for the future look outstanding!!
I'm 6' and a hair.
Skinny legs, larger upper body. 30 inch waist. Strange build, really, but years of running and lifting have left me this way. When I did Ironman UK I was 160 lbs. I looked like a Biafran refugee, yet I was eating 4,000 calories a day at age 62. Hard training will do that though.
Man stop being so turrrrrrible.
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