Can the United States win the World Cup?

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  1. arwor

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    Of course, it can’t.
     
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  2. Kunohara

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    Nice topic bro.
     
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  3. r2473

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    Sure. We win the World Series every year (except when those damn Canadian team win).
     
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    It's not going to happen, I'm afraid... for betting people, I say put your money on Spain and England! I also wouldn't be surprised at all for an African nation to do very well indeed.
     
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  5. Ross K

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    OMG... let's not forget Brasil and Argentina either!
     
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    Poor USA why did you even enter? :(

    I feel sorry for the Americans that actually love football but all Americans are more interested in baseball, US football, and basketball. All the americans serious about football should immigrate to Europe.
     
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    USA have as much chance as England, so no, they can't win the World Cup!

    Ross, I honestly don't think England will reach the quarters unfortunately, I think they will struggle to get out of the group actually.
     
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    England's group looks easy!

    But England havn't played well now for years. We don't play as a team, but as a group of individuals. Basically we rely on our top players and if Rooney plays well we will win the group, if not, I think we are in trouble.
     
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    In answer to the question: No :|
     
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    as much as Murray winning the French Open.
     
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    Correct answer. They'll make it to the knockout stage. And get knocked out.

    ARG will win. But don't forget that the US was up 2-0 on Brasil - only their coach's (apparent) switch to defense in the 2nd half snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    See above - they're going to advance - which will put them ahead of many Euro teams, who have the pick of the athletic litter in their countries. Kickyball in the US is comprised mostly of kids from overprotective parents. And 'sloppy 4ths or 5ths' after other sports.

    His favorite surface! LOL! :)
     
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    They have won world cup/series in Baseball, Basketball, American Football every year since they formed the major leagues.
     
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  14. r2473

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    Except '92 and '93 World Series ;-)
     
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    Not unless every other team pulls out. Sorry but the U.S. has less of a chance than Mexico.
     
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    Not according to FIFA rankings:

    1 Brazil 1611
    2 Spain 1565
    3 Portugal 1249
    4 Netherlands 1231
    5 Italy 1184
    6 Germany 1082
    7 Argentina 1076
    8 England 1068
    9 France 1044
    10 Croatia 1041
    11 Russia 1015
    12 Egypt 967
    13 Greece 964
    14 USA 957
    15 Serbia 947
    16 Uruguay 899
    17 Mexico 895
    18 Chile 888
    19 Cameroon 887
    20 Australia 886
     
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    Those rankings are quite strange, quite how Portugal are 3rd I don't know. Over the past two years in qualifying they have been absolutely awful, they only just managed to qualify.
     
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    Probably because the rankings are based on the results of the past 4 years. Prior to the 2006 World Cup, they used the past 8 years (of results) so the rankings looked downright bizarre at times.
     
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    It would be nice to see Spain play well. Would love to see them face Brazil or Argentina later on.
     
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    there is more chance of manchester united winning the superbowl
     
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    Rankings mean nothing at tournaments like this. They are merely standings...they do not show the potential of a given team including any and all extenuating factors involved, so while I thank you for posting this reference, I stand by my post.
     
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    Did you join this forum to answer your own question?

    Of course you did.
     
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    It seems many of the countries have at least one player that plays for another international team.For example South Korea just scored 2 against Greece and their star player usually plays for Manchester United.

    I really thing if USA players swallow their pride and admit they could do with some help they could improve. Some players should train overseas.
     
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    they have won WC in basketball every year?LOLOL :mrgreen:
    I think someone has selective amnesia here.

    Don't get me started on the made up "world series" name of the baseball league.
     
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    The USA may pass the group stage and that is the end -- will not pass Germany or Serbia in the next round...
    Everything beyond the group stage would be a surprise IMO.

    The rankings are a joke...Russia, Croatia, Egypt, Greece...give me a break, just based on some previous (long tim ago) successes...
     
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    All I really mean is that baseball is starting to get more of an international participation. Especially in the Latin American and Asian countries. It's just that the best players play in the major leagues (and the other baseball leagues of the world really don't matter).

    The NBA is similar and I think a similar numbers of players in the NBA these days are foreign born:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_NBA_players

    So in a sense these are not "world" games like soccer (football), but in a sense they are. In some ways they can be seen as "world all star teams".

    In some sense soccer is not dissimilar. The best teams pay for and grab all the best talent. I don't know much about the World Cup, but I assume each person plays for their country (not for their club). So it is similar to the World Baseball thing that they are trying to get going (but isn't going so well).
     
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    That's all very nice to hear however:
    every best team and championship get the best players wherever they're from.Still noone calls the premier league world league.
    World goes only where there is an international tournament,UNLIKE the baseball american championship which is not.
     
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    argentina can do it.
     
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  31. SempreSami

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    Clint Dempsey plays for Fulham, Tim Howard's at Everton, Demerit was at Watford last time I looked.
     
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    ^^ Also Altidore at Villareal/Hull.
     
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    Well untill they get knocked out they've got a chance, so they could win it.
     
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    Really? Did not know that. Well if they're in the US team maybe they can help.
     
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    Yes, the way each sport is organized (and the history behind it) is interesting. The naming of each individual league, tournament, etc. is also interesting. I can see that you assign great importance to an (arbitrary?) name given to these specific leagues and tournaments. I assign more importance to the component parts and don't really care what name is (arbitrarily?) assigned.

    Enjoy the WORLD cup.
     
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    Wel Mexico did manage to get a tie against the 83rd ranked team in the world (which is 20 ranks lower than Canada), so maybe you do have a point. ;)
     
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    She's right, FIFA rankings mean jack **** most of the time. Mexico is better than US, sorry. Historically and H2H.
     
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    Ok forget the rankings then.

    Odds:

    USA 66/1
    Mexico 80/1

    Anyway, useless debate since neither the US nor Mexico will win the World Cup.
     
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    Yeah, but that's because the US baseball is where the big bucks are.

    Malakas, you're right, World Series is a bad name. But when it was created we probably did have the only baseball league. You're not grumpy because Greece got destroyed earlier today, are you? :)

    Better stick to being a Nadal honk... :)

    Not lately, amigo! Our 8th string athletes are whipping Mexico's rear.

    To the question: no. But they can make it to the final 16 and might luck one win out.
     
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    On the contrary, some US guys play/played in Europe (some in Spain I recall) and for any American football player the biggest pride is playing in Europe, just like for any European basketball player the biggest pride is playing in the NBA.

    So I couldn't disagree more about the pride thing: I'm sure they're proud of having some players that are actually appreciated in Europe. If you're good enough to be appreciated in Europe, you made it. Also that should and will make a difference for American football overall quality as it does for Asian football too.

    The way of improving American football(soccer) was not hiring Pele, George Best or Beckham, really. The only way is getting American players playing in Europe. That is making the US team a better team each time.

    Of course they can't win the WC by now, but they are NOT and will never be again the "joke team" that they used to be. Now in Europe the American team is taken seriously.

    The Spanish commentators and newspapers, at least, talk about US team with much more respect. In the past losing a match against the US "soccer" team would've been a freaking disaster. Today, is not impossible to conceive. See England taking barely a draw yesterday. This is another US team than the one we use to know in past decades.
     
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    No I'm not of course.Otherwise I would be grumpy pretty much all next month lol.This discussion actually started before our match.

    every name is a symbol and that particularly name symbolizes no..not just symbolizes actually screams : ethnocentrism and arrogance.That's my issue.

    Thank you.I hope you can enjoy it too.;-)
     
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    I love West Coast Ace's arguments.

    "Nerr we're good at other sports."
     
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    Relax. It's a marketing inspired title from way back and has become part of tradition. Get over it. :roll:
     
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    Historically? Like the asskicking we handed you in the R16 of Japan/South Korea 2002? Or like when you've never beaten our "A" team on US Soil? The only time Mexico beat a US team was last summer, when our U-20 "C" squad lost to more or less the same that lined up against South Africa on Monday. Dude, I used to live in Mexico, I know all about football down there. We own Mexican football. Period.

    Please be somewhat informed before you post garbage like this. In the 2007-2008 season, 1/5th of the English Premier League started American keepers. And that's just keepers, we've got plenty of players playing in leagues all over Europe.
     
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    Technically it is a World series.

    You only need a minimum of two countries in order to make something a world or an international event.

    So, as long as the Canucks participate in the MLB, there's no need to harp on about this issue.
     
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    usa have about a 1 in 943 chance of winning
     
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    Easy, eh? Which is why after the first matchday, England are 3rd out of 4th in the group, below the "Yanks" (we're Americans, by the way, not "Yanks" or whatever stupid name you want to call us) and the Slovenians, whose captain couldn't get a game at WBA in the second division?

    Love the arrogance!
     
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    Yes the US can win the world cup, we tied yesterday against England but we should have beat them. Who cares what Eurotrash and other foreigners think of US chances in the World Cup they don't live in the US so they have no clue about anything about the US.
     
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    no,when the rest of the world don't even have participation rights.
     
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    I know it was supposed marketing,however some posters here seem to believe that the name holds truth which is amazingly arrogant.I am relaxed thank you.:)
     
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