Can we right off Dimitrov yet?

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  1. henryshli

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    Can we write off Dimitrov yet?

    Doesn't even look as though he will be a regular top 10 player. Does anyone else here follow his progress?
     
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  2. svijk

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    or should we 'left off'....typos are bad in thread titles :)
     
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  3. PhrygianDominant

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    I say he's write out.
     
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  4. henryshli

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    Oops bad typo.
     
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  5. Evan77

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    no, we shouldn't ... but all of these youngsters are doing nothing ... kinda sad. I have this feeling that Djokovic, Fed and Rafa will keep winning slams in next 100 years (j/k of course)
     
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    He did recently pick up his first win against a top 10 player. I think he's definitely too young to write off.
     
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    So by that logic, the inventors of the modern aeroplane were called Orville and Wilbur Right?
     
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  8. jdubbs

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    I think we need to "right off" Mensa ever contacting you for membership.
     
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  9. Numenor

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    You know, you may be half right. We've been waiting for the next generation to come forth and surprise us, like how Fed beat Sampras in Wimby, how Nadal beat Federer in Miami 2004, and how Djoker won Montreal and made the finals of the US Open in 2007. But so far, I haven't been impressed with any of them. Except maybe for Raonic, because of his 3 titles so far. But he still has a long way to go.

    How wright you are.
     
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  10. Apun94

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    TBH, I havent been impressed with Dimitrov's game till now. I mean the only reason he;s gotten popular is because of his game style. Quality wise he is not good enough to trouble the top guys. He doesnt have a big weapon to disturb anybody. Plus he is just not physically strong enough.
    Nobody really from the younger generation has really been up to the level of the top 20. Raonic is their because of his serve but other than that, that kid isnt really top 20 material baseline game wise. All others are just not there. Just a clear indication that tennis isnt changing for the next 20 years. We saw the change in the 90s when power hitting became the norm, then in the 2000s baseline game started to dominate, not much is going to change soon.
    The young guns still need time and experience. The time is gone when 18-22 years would burst on to the scene and start to dominate the tour. Now, you need to have so much experience both physically and mentally to even compete with the top 20. My personal favourite is Tomic. He's got the game that suits the surfaces, physically he is in great shape, doesnt have a big weakness on either wing, Just needs to improve his attitude and his serve.
    My top 3 to succeed are Tomic, Raonic and Harrison. Others need serious work to do right now.
     
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    I just get a feeling watching the top 4 that they arent going anywhere for the nest 3-4 years. (Yes, even Fed!)
    so, interestingly, the young ones may not be winning slams until they are 25. Raonic is 22, i think, so he may not be winning his first till he's 25-26...
     
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    I hope I'm completely wrong, but I've got an ominous feeling that Federer will retire after not too long. Wouldn't be surprised if he retired at the end of 2012 or after Wimbledon 2013. You know, when reporters asked him questions about retiring, he always used to say that he would at least be playing untill the olympics 2012. Well.. that's in a couple of months. I wonder how long he's going to keep playing after that.
    But again, I hope I'm wrong. Federer is my favorite player and tennis won't ever be the same without him.
     
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  13. ASantana

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    I mean Michael Jordan didn't get his first ring until he was 28 and look at John Isner as well. Recently broke top 10 at 25, 26. Im not sure of his exact age but he is a late bloomer as well. Its too young to write him off though.
     
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  14. tistrapukcipeht

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    WRITE OFF??

    Nah, maybe in one year, for sure you can write off Gulbis, who lost to Greul on the first round of a challenger and lost to Tomic in Barcelona, a guy who won his first clay court match of his career last week.

    Poor Gulbis, the guy is going backwards faster than he's going forward.
     
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  15. corners

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    Way too early to write him off. Kid has serious game. I thought he played Murray pretty well in Bangkok last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Xub1mzCws

    Lost in straights but don't agree that he doesn't have weapons.
     
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  16. FEDERERNADAL13

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    Write off a 20 year old?
     
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    What was Safin doing when he was 20? Or Murray even. Also he will be 21 in less than one month....I know it's not easy comparing different eras but shouldn't Dimitrov be doing a lot better at this stage.
     
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    Murray could enter the conversation at some point, as well.
     
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    Write him off as a multiple grandslam winner for sure. Unless he goes through some miracle hyberbaric/hypobaric transformation and diet change like Djokovic.
     
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  20. monfed

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    How can we write off baby GOAT Grigor? It's just that he hasn't been fed GOAT milk yet. :)
     
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  21. svijk

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    I remember a similar thread on Delpo when he got crushed by Fed in the Aussie open in 2009, he won the USO same year....although u gotta say Dmitrov is nowhere close to Delpo
     
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  22. PhrygianDominant

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    As much as I like watching Federer play, watching Dimitrov with this blatant copying of Federer's technique kind of irks me. There's something creepy about it...I am not sure what it is, something disingenuous. The real problem is that I myself take a lot of cues from Federer on how to develop my strokes, but it's the extraneous and inconsequential flourishes that Dimitrov also copies from Federer that give me this feeling....anybody with me on this?
     
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  23. monfed

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    I know what you mean. ;)

    Dimitrov is more Haas than Federer imo.
     
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  24. PSNELKE

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    Yeah I think so, *******s will have to wait for another hero after his retirement.

    He hasn't done anything notable at the age of 21, and I really dont see him making the Top20.
    Raonic, Tomic are ahead of him by a great margin.
     
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  25. PSNELKE

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    With less talent..shame on those injuries, Haas could have been a big one.
     
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  26. Lonely GOATherd

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    I watched him at the championships last year and I was impressed enough. He was playing doubles with Tursanov and the difference in class between him and Tursanov was glaring. Dimitrov hit with more power, more accuracy and with more tact than his senior partner. And that backhand of his is a fine thing. Well rounded game. I hope he uses his gifts well.
     
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    Yeah I know exactly what you are saying. It's like he purposely tried to copy Federer's technique, not to be the best possible, but to look as much like Federer as possible. Don't they even have the same racquet? Or one that looks similar (which would be even worse)? But I've got to add: Although it's obvious that Dimitrov hits like Federer, I don't get the same feeling watching him as when I'm watching Federer. I don't get the feeling of elegance, the fluidness is there, but not at the same level as Federer, and it feels like Federer hits the ball more cleanly as Dimitrov. Also they don't have the same playing style, Federer's style is more offensive, more cold-blooded, the way he mercilessly hits those winners.

    So yeah, it's nice that there will be someone in the tour that reminds of Federer, but he comes off to me as a copycat.
     
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  28. bjk

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    Well, Safin had won the USO by the time he was 20.
     
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    In what way?
     
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    Safin had won 8 titles including the US Open by the time he was 21. At the same stage, Murray had won 5 titles and first entered the top 10 where he's been ever since.
     
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  31. Apun94

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    Yeah I remember in 07 Fed saying he would love to play till OLY '12. Now that he's here and has a good chance of winning, he really should continue as long as he can challenge the other 3.
    Also, Fed has said that he wants to continue as long as he stays physically fit, so I really dont think Fed is retiring any time soon. However, if he wins OLY '12, he may feel satisfied with his career to hang up the GOAT boots
     
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    Dont think anybody needs to pity Gulbis. That man is just a plain old slacker, he doesnt deserve to be ranked higher...
     
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    With tennis becoming so much more physical these days, it's a lot harder for the young guys to make leeway into the tour. They simply don't have the levels of strength and fitness that the top players do. Their bodies haven't reached their full potential yet and they just haven't had the sheer training time that the top guys have had. I'm sure in a few years we'll see a few of these young guys at the top of the rankings, they just need time to get stronger and faster with how physically brutal the game is nowadays.
     
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  34. nadal_slam_king

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    Maybe Dimitrov is baby Federer. Federer did lose at Wimbledon 1st Round, 3 times. And 1st round of Roland Garros, 3 times.
     
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  35. Crisstti

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    I agree. These players should be doing better by now... (except maybe Tomic who I think is younger?).
     
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  36. SoBad

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    Dimitrov is the one of a kind talent player who can lose a bunch of low level first rounds and then go on a streak of winning a bunch of slam finals, so you never really know with him.
     
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  37. PCXL-Fan

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    Have things really change so much in the past 4-5 years?

    Not saying you are wrong, but Djokovic and Murray were able to crack the top 8 at 19-20.

    Mayhaps a number of other factors are at play.
     
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  38. TheCanadian

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    I think we must wait 3 years to have an idea.
     
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    dude look who you're comparing.
    I feel Dimitrov could be greatness, but you're comparing a 20 year old to a 30 year old tennis demigod; don't expect his game to be near the same level
     
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    i think it's more of a mental game. Yea to be a top play you have to be in the best shape, but one thing the top players have over the lower players is being able to hit a shot a bit better every time. They can just hit the ball: a few inches wider, deeper, and sooner more consistently than the lower players. If they play someone that doesn't take advantage of those few inches or extra seconds they capitalize on it. They also don't stay in mental slumps, and are always figuring things out during matches. Very rarely do you see top players out of answers


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNRnLP-fuU
    look at most of his shots. If he hit a little sooner, hit a little wider, and a little deeper he would have gotten a lot more points; however, he still managed to keep up in the overall set with those lackluster shots.
     
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  41. SoBad

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    Dimitrov is very handsome.:D
     
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    That backhand of his was a liability in his match against Malisse. Just saying.
     
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