Can You Forgive Federer?

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Can you forgive Federer for RG 2011?

  1. No - He should have tanked or played down to his age to stop Nadal

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  2. Yes - I would rather Djokovic have won, but Fed should never tank

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  3. Yes - Djokovic is as bad as Nadal and together are an assault against classical tennis

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    37.3%
  4. Yes - He should have won the SF, then withdrawn from the final to de-legitimatize Nadal's title

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  1. TTMR

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    Honestly, as much as I love and admire Federer, there is one irredeemable act of which he can never be forgiven as far as I am concerned: The fact he defeated Djokovic at RG 2011. Like most Federer fans, I was cheering for Djokovic because I knew what would happen if Federer somehow ended that streak and made the final. At any other tournament, Federer might have had a sliver of hope, but a 32 year old years past his prime against the greatest mud player ever until Djokovic--it wasn't going to happen. Had Djokovic won that match, he would have gone on to end the Nadal reign and expose it for what it really was: a dearth of clay court players post-Kuerten. Nadal likely would have withdrawn for the rest of the year or perhaps retired due to despondency and we could have been saved innumerable boring Nadal vs. Djokovic encounters.

    All Federer would have had to do is pick a different serve and Djokovic wouldn't have "got lucky" like he did at the USO. Federer would have prevented Djokovic from completing the calendar slam, salvaging his GOAT legacy while Djokovic would have vanquished the encroaching Nadal.

    I don't think I can forgive Federer for undermining his own legacy. I guess he possesses a fault common to a lot of struggling business owners: the inability to delegate. He should have delegated to Djokovic on that shadowy June day. Division of labour should have been observed; sit back and let the Nadal-dispenser do what he does best.
     
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  2. timnz

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    Make sure you get your immunization

    There is a virus that has been going around these message boards for about 5 years now. Its symptoms are the addition of 1 year to Roger Federers age. Many have been infected by it....you are showing symptoms, best go to a doctor to get it seen to. ;-)
     
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  3. merwy

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    I find it harder to forgive him for losing that first set in the final after being up 5-2 (iirc).

    You're probably just joking or something stupid like that, but I'll answer seriously: I want Federer to win way more than I want Nadal to lose. Whenever Federer gets the chance to play Nadal I want that match to happen because I love it when they play and I love it when Federer beats Nadal. I know it doesn't happen a lot but when it does happen it make me really happy and if Nadal wins it's nothing more than expected.

    Also, you make stupid threads
     
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  4. Nuke

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    A champion plays to win.
     
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  5. stringertom

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    Forget forgiving Federer...Djok was "Fognini-ed"!
     
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  6. Cup8489

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    Federer was 29 when he defeated Djokovic.
     
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  7. MichaelNadal

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    The FO is still the FO, and it is by no means a foregone conclusion Djokovic would have or should have won that match. It was certainly the time where he had the best chance, but you can't just hand him the trophy considering he had never even been in a FO final at the time.
     
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  8. The Dark Knight

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    Get over it already!!

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  9. kishnabe

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    I rather he try...because he was the better player in the final...tennis wise.....mental wise Nadal got into his head like usual.
     
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  10. Sabratha

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    Federer deserved the win because he was the better player on the day.
     
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  11. forzamilan90

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    That was a sweet match, a great performance by the Maestro. If Djokovic was to beat Nadal that year, he should have gotten past the GOAT. He didn't...end of story
     
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  12. Legend of Borg

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    Rename the thread "Can you forgive Fognini?" and I might read more of it.
     
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  13. tennisaddict

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    I dont care much about the loss to Nadal, but till my death and even in my grave, i will remember the finger wagging after the semis. Epic !
     
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  14. Towser83

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    I feel like everyone has missed the fact TTMR is mildly trolling, or at least joke posting (right down to making 2011 Federer older than he is right now) The subtle sarcasm is not bad actually. Though I'm not sure what promted this thread.
     
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  15. Goosehead

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    brain damage prompted this thread I think :) but the sneaky trick of trying to get through the line that Federer was 32 in june 2011 and not his real age of 29 was vaguely amusing :neutral:
     
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    I think it's amazing that even at 33, Fed was able to dispatch nole in straights plus one set.

    The one thing I can never forgive nadal for is he chose to join the tour late to avoid facing prime fed on clay. Where was nadal in 2002, when Fed had already started to play top class tennis? Probably hiding somewhere. To make matters worse he skipped 7 months of the season just because of a post from monfed saying the Rosol loss had scarred him for life. That's completely unprofessional. It's one thing to stay out because of real injury/illness like AIDS , quite another to take a break just because you're a pansy.
     
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  18. zagor

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    Well not everyone but most yes, 99% of TTMR's posts are basically subtle and not so subtle digs at Fed fans and this thread is par for the course.

    In his view TW is black and white, on one side we have Fed fanbase which solely consists of Monfeds and Magnuses (and all of us became Fed fans in 2006, disgusting gloryhunters that we are) while on the other side we have repressed minorities (other players' fanbases) which are only concerned with supporting their favourite and never take swipes at Fed/his fans/family etc. or engage in trolling of any sort, fortunately we have TTMR to balance things out and call it as it is.

    Of course he's ignoring that:

    -A number of Fed fans claim that Fed's 2011 FO performance overall and especially the match against Novak was some of his career best on clay.

    -Saying 29-30 Fed is past his prime is only controversial when it comes to Fed, I'm sure TTMR had/has no problem the same being claimed for past greats like say Sampras or Lendl (try telling him Fed beat prime Sampras at Wimbledon for example), people claiming Nadal was a baby until 2008 and will have no problems with people claiming in the future that 29-30 year old Nadal and Murray are past their prime.

    -The hypocrisy of some Nadal fans who not only claim Fed wasn't past his prime in 2011 but was also in 2012 and still is to this day all the while claiming Nadal was a baby until 2008 that suddenly got too old in 2011 and/or mostly stick to 2008 as Nadal's mythical peak (of course TTMR ignores that while he constantly makes fun of Fed fans saying Fed's peak lasted 4 years).

    -The hypocrisy of some Nadal fans who classify Fed as an extremely overrated, lucky, weak era benefactor but had no problem rooting like crazy for him to beat Novak in 2011 FO SF (seriously, it was a hilarious sight) only to continue with Fed crybaby 2009 AO ceremony pictures, weak era nonsense (business as usual) the moment he did the "dirty" job and/or in general using Nadal beating Fed as an advantage/means to boost Rafa's status when he's compared to other past tennis greats (you see Fed is at the same time a very tough competition and the king of clowns and amateurs).

    -Yet another Fedal FO final was something only he and his fellow Nadal fans (both genuine ones and those who just want to see Fed lose like say Pete fanboys in a Nadal fan clothing) wanted to see and is akin to Fed fans enjoying/overrating Fed's Wimbledon finals with Roddick (and I'm doing Andy a diservice here considering how close he came in 2009) which I'm positive TTMR and his ilk found to be utterly boring and classified as something that only Fed gloryhunters can enjoy.

    -You can be a fan of multiple players (yes it's possible even if you're the embodiment of evil that is a Fed fan) and could have rooted for Novak in 2011 FO SF because you thought that was the golden opportunity for him to get the career slam and will do so again this year (as I will should Fed and Novak meet, regardless of whether Nadal is still in the tourney or not and I'd say it's a safe bet you will as well).

    I could go on and on, specifically about how his precious Nadal fans turned out to be no better than the Fed fans he dislikes so much when Novak started beating Rafa in 2011 (he was called everything from Balkan trash to Lance Armstrong and attention ***** for daring to show emotions on and off court for his grandfather passing) but I'll stop here.

    His strong dislike (relatively speaking) of Fed himself and his fans? Why did Aphex make all those similar (but far less verbose) threads back in the day? The answer is pretty simple.
     
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  19. SwankPeRFection

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    Forgive him for what? Oh, that's right. Ending the streak. Ya... NOT! If anyone was going to end that streak it was going to be Fed. Good for him! The man makes and break records baby!
     
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  20. smoledman

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    Seems like a trolling thread, smells like one, walks like one. Must be one.
     
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  21. Magnus

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    Do you realize how stupid this post is? You can't forgive a player because he...won? Federer's legacy is fine and dandy, he has issues beating the worst possible matchup for him, and Nadal now faces the same thing against Djokovic, its the nature of the sport. Nobody is a perfect mathcup for everyone. Fed's achievement in 2011 was huge, he stopped one of the biggest streaks in the biz, and he beat the biggest player around, in a slam semi no less. He had some bad luck in the final along with Nadal cheating, but he gave a good final overall.

    Players like Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, they are all great, but they come and go. You will never have another Federer. He's one of a kind.
     
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  22. Feather

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    I lold at the first line.

    Second line means this, " Like most Federer fans who are glory hunters and Nadal haters, I was cheering for Djokovic because I knew what would happen if Federer somehow ended that streak and made the final".

    Don't need to speak for Federer fans just speak for yourself.

    For the record, I consider that victory against Djokovic, one of the best victories of Roger Federer and I was cheering him for through out the match. Lastly, for a real Federer fan, it was IMPOSSIBLE to cheer against Roger when he was playing that well.

    Rest of your post is not worth responding so didn't quote that :wink:
     
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  23. beast of mallorca

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    The most painful of them all !!!......................:twisted::mad:
     
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  24. Sentinel

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    If Fed fans were glory hunters wouldn't they have latched onto Nadal when Nadal began winning glory and it was apparent that he would end up with no less than 47 slams. BY now they would have latched on Djokovic since is clearly going to win the CYGS, and in between to Golden Andy.

    Usually TTMR can be quite funny, but this time it seems he created a thread when he "wasn't ready to go".
    You see what happens when you put too much pressure, and you slip in a suppository ... you get a crappy thread :D
     
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  25. Jeffrey573639

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    Obvious troll is obvious but I'll bite. Of course I can't. What an awful crime he did, winning a tennis match.
     
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  26. West Coast Ace

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    Pretty much sums it up. Djokovic fell behind early, almost made it a match by winning the 3rd, but couldn't win the 4th to push it to a 5th. Better guy won. And it wasn't like Fed wasn't competitive in the final - as someone said, blew the 5-2 lead when he missed that dropper in the 1st.

    Like any other major, if Djokovic is destined to win it, he's going to have to earn it.
     
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  27. Legend of Borg

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    I just got trolled so hard I didn't even see it coming.......
     
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  28. Sabratha

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    Nadal would have single handed owned Federer anyway as he is a much better player on clay and now on grass.
     
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    Give another few years and he'll be a better player indoor too.
     
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  30. zagor

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    Can you elaborate a bit further Fed "fan", I'm not sure I'm getting the point you're trying to make and it's relation to the thread topic?

    Peak (also known as 4 months of 2008, on a mission and strong Vamoses) Nadal has always been a much better player than Fed on any surface basically, Fed is only slightly better at year end indoor exos (due to Fed being more greedy than Rafa) and even then Rafa would have beaten him in 2010 if he wasn't tired from his epic match against Muzza.
     
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  31. heninfan99

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    TOTALLY WORTH IT!
     
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    Their pain runs deep....that image eats away in their days and nights.
     
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    Sucks the most for the Djokovic fans. Federer is the reason the Serb didn't win the CYGS that year. The Serb would destroyed the Spaniard in the final. Federer did a huge favor to Nadal and stopped Djokovic from making history big time. Winning the CYGS on HC, clay and grass, Graf territory. Impossible for a male player, apparently.
     
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  34. The Dark Knight

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    Can you really blame them? OUCH!
     
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  35. veroniquem

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    My problem is to forgive Nadal for gifting RG 2009 to Fed.
     
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  36. Legend of Borg

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    Forgive him for not being able to beat Soderling.

    That's his real crime.
     
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  37. Talker

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    Didn't see the match. Had laundry to do that day.
     
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    Nope.

    1,000,000 Nopes.
     
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    What's all this 32/33 rubbish?? As someone else pointed out he was 29 when he beat Djokovic at RG. Tsonga's 28 now, Berdych not far off and there's no one calling them old men. Fed's been given a free pass with that since he passed 25 and it's belittling to all other opponents' wins against him. Fed himself has said a year ago that he was a better player then than he was years ago. You can laugh all you want but it's true and he knows it and has no issue with it. The increase in shanks etc. are in no small part due to some few players being able to go toe to toe with him from the baseline all day and all night and the extra pressure that exerts due to his baseline hugging style,
     
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    "When did you stop beating your wife?" :)

    Meh. I'm a self-confessed Federer fan, but I sleep soundly without even dreaming about tennis, let alone that particular match. Anyone associating deep pain with the result of a tennis match needs to get a life.
     
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    This is the way I felt as well. Originally, like say before the match started, I actually wanted Novak to win because I knew Fed had no chance at Nadal, so I would've preferred a Nadal loss since a Fed win was bordering on the impossible. I don't care what anyone says honestly. That's how I felt.

    But then when Fed started playing unbelievable I had to cheer for him. It was a sight to see. It might be the best win of his career, final or otherwise. Without going into too much exaggeration, I was so happy to watch him win that day.

    But I have to disagree with Zagor here. If Nadal is waiting in the final at RG (or playing the 2nd SF), I'll probably be pulling slightly for Djokovic since we've seen how Fed-Nadal goes on clay. But if Nadal is out before that point, I'll be cheering for Federer beyond a shadow of a doubt. But then of course, I don't mind Novak, but I wouldn't call myself an "equal" fan of either like it seems Zagor and Towser are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
     
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  43. zam88

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    if federer doesn't win that tournament, nole wins the CYGS... and that would've been worse than Nadal getting another dirt slam.


    Now, I would've DEFINITELY traded federer losing that match, but then beating nole at the 2011 USO
     
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    For some reason I read that in the voice of a Jawa from Star Wars, "Utini!"
     
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    Soderling and Rosol had sucked the pain away. 17 slams and 7 Wimbledons....no more pain for sure.
     
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    ROFL... :mrgreen: The aids-thing made me crack up entirely!! :lol:

    Great post! :)
     
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  47. ivan_the_terrible

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    Cut the OP some slack, has anyone ever been to Winnipeg?
     
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  48. Relinquis

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    wanting your favourite player to lose for the possibility of his main rival losing in the following round is absurd...

    you're not really a fan, you're more defined by hating the rival player than anything else... no?
     
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  49. The Dark Knight

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    OMG !!! That is funny !!
     
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  50. zagor

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    I'm not an equal fan of Fed and Novak, Fed has always been my favourite player of all time but besides him I have a number of other players I'm a fan of and since Fed achieved so much (and I don't care one lick about the GOAT debate and whether Nadal will get Fed's slam record and similar) I'd like to see my other favourite players get a piece of the pie.

    I also don't think it's a "done deal" Novak will win FO title down the road, tennis is unpredictable, he might get injured, Nadal might be in one of his unstoppable CC forms next year for example etc. so I'd like to see him take it this year when he started CC season so well (of course there's still a ton of CC tennis to be played this season).
     
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