Can You Forgive Federer?

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Can you forgive Federer for RG 2011?

  1. No - He should have tanked or played down to his age to stop Nadal

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  2. Yes - I would rather Djokovic have won, but Fed should never tank

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  3. Yes - Djokovic is as bad as Nadal and together are an assault against classical tennis

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  4. Yes - He should have won the SF, then withdrawn from the final to de-legitimatize Nadal's title

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  1. Steve0904

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    Well I guess I could say yes and no. The circumstances at RG 2011 were very strange. Above all else I did really want Federer to win, but as bad as Nadal played on clay in 2011 (for his standards), Federer still had virtually no chance to win IMHO. I've just seen it too many times to believe anything different. That ship sailed after RG 2008.

    So, because of this, I would've preferred if Novak beat Nadal in the final (which still wasn't a guarantee, but was much more likely) rather than go through the torture that is Federer blowing half the chance he had in the 1st set which was inevitable if you know anything about the Fed-Nadal rivalry especially on clay, and losing the match to Nadal. Above all, I was a bit disappointed we didn't get the "best" possible match in 2011. I do "forgive" Federer however because I watched him play incredible that day.
     
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  2. Steve0904

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    Actually I have.
     
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  3. Steve0904

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    Which is why I put that word in quotation marks, because I wasn't sure.

    I understand about your favourite players, and I'm in agreement about Novak's French Open chances. They are good, but it is never really a done deal until it's done. Just like when Fed struggled (probably mostly because) Nadal went out in 2009.
     
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  4. The Dark Knight

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    And you still won't give him any slack ? :)
     
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  5. Mainad

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    I can forgive Federer anything (except maybe beating Murray in the final of 2012 Wimbledon)! ;)
     
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  6. Steve0904

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    I didn't say that. Back under the bridge with you.
     
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  7. sbengte

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    Winner !

    Runner up:

    Can't believe the number of "serious" replies this thread got. People either didn't read the OP or their sarcasm/trolling detector needs fixing.
     
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  8. Marty Cintron

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    Sorry dude, but at Roland Garros 2011, Federer was 29, not 33.
     
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  9. tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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    Federer started his career loosing, and will end his career loosing (unlike Sampras)

    Federer is more sensitive than Sampras, lol.
     
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  10. The Dark Knight

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    That is the rumor in the locker room according to some players and coaches that I know .
     
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  11. Steve0904

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    He's being sarcastic. Following up on the OP. You're a new user I see, but we'll teach you soon enough young grasshopper.
     
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    Is there any truth here?

    I cannot find any.
     
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    And in a few years a better 1-handed backhand too.
     
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  14. yonexRx32

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    I liked the last option :)
     
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  15. Povl Carstensen

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    It seems like it is you guys who have something eating away at you.
     
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  16. Povl Carstensen

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    Much truth there.
     
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  17. Marty Cintron

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    Sorry I did not notice the sarcasm, much for me.
    Yes I am an all new user, so thank you for your welcome. [​IMG]
     
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  18. forzamilan90

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    It's called troll blood...pumps their entire bodies. Quite a common phenomenon really
     
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    Sure can! :)
     
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  20. RF20Lennon

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    that finger wag was worth it!!
     
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    In principle I would concur with the above assessment. However, since 2008, there has been a war declared; a war on traditional, classical power tennis, headed up by Nadal and the corporate machine that back him and his ilk. The goal is to undermine Federer's achievements by keeping them always within reach. They want to 'keep the game relevant' by ensuring someone is always close to his records.

    We know this is a manufactured rivalry. The age difference, the string and racquet technology (provided for Nadal by Babolat, a big agent in the aforementioned corporate machine), the non-stop cheating and gamesmanship that lesser pros are punished for but not Nadal and the court slowdown. Anything and everything to tear down Federer and build up Nadal.

    Federer did his best, but like all of us, he aged. By 2011 he was five years past his prime and in no shape to do battle with Nadal on the mud.

    For those of us that have watched helplessly as Nadal destroyed the sport, finally it was time for him to get a taste of his own medicine, in the form of the godsend known as Novak Djokovic. Djokovic showed Nadal what's good for the goose is good for the gander, too, slaughtering him with impunity on surface after surface.

    But did Federer accept this gift? No, he squandered it. He couldn't accept his age, he couldn't accept his immobility, and thought that just maybe this was his moment. Maybe I can forgive Federer for his self-belief, but I can't forgive him for the crime that continues to be perpetrated on this sport in the form of Rafael Nadal. Had Djokovic won, Nadal would have been so disillusioned, he would have joined the poker guild permanently. What a shame how things turned out.
     
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  22. Jake Gittes

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    Hey, don't worry. Not all is bad :)

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  23. The Dark Knight

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    Except for the one thing standing in his way of being the goat.....and the reason Nadal is hated and Federer fans have never gotten their revenge and probably never will :

    [​IMG]
     
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  25. The Dark Knight

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    He is widely acknowledged as the goat and widely acknowledged that he isn't the goat.

    If it were not for Nadal he would undeniably be the goat ....and this is why Nadal is hated by Federer fans....I can't say that I blame them. I would hate Nadal to of I were in their shoes.

    As it is now .....whether federer is the goat is merely an opinion which is argued quite fervently all over .

    If there would be no Nadal, there would be no debate.
     
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  26. Jake Gittes

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    There will never be an undisputed GOAT. Right now, more people say Federer is the GOAT than anybody else. And not just the general public. Laver, Sampras, Agassi, Borg, McEnroe, Nadal, Roddick, Safin, Navratilova, you name it :) Scream "Nadal, head-to-head" all you like, the FACT is that Federer is the one widely acknowledged as the GOAT.
     
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  27. The Dark Knight

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    Wrong....if there were no Nadal then Federer would be the undisputed goat by everyone . And he would probably have another 11 slams under his belt ....quite a bit of FO's to boot. There would be no dispute.

    As far as of there are more or less Fed proponents ... I don't know ....but that doesn't really matter. Actually the minority is usually right....

    Remember Chrostopher Columbus said the world was round . Everyone said he was wrong but he was right.

    The reason is that there are more dumb people than smart ones .

    I respect that you think he is the Goat .....but even you would have to agree that there is a logical argument against it .....and that is the real reason for hate filled threads like this one .
     
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  28. Jake Gittes

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    You acknowledged that Federer is widely regarded as the GOAT. And yet you say Federer isn't the GOAT? :lol: The concept of GOAT is abstract. It has no formula. If more people call Federer the GOAT than anybody else, he is the GOAT. I'm sorry if this hurts you but this is the truth. Face it :)
     
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  29. The Dark Knight

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    First off you took half my statement and jumped on it.....

    I said Fed is widely regarded as the goat AND widely regarded as NOT the goat.

    There are two parts to that sentence .

    And no I don't agree that of MORE people regard him as the goat then ho is in fact the goat. For example I would think that Mats Wilanders opinion is worth more than all the people here at TW put together .

    By the same token although even though many of the greats have said Fed is the goat they have then changed their minds and taken that back.

    The truth is at this point it's just a debate as to whether is the goat Ams te only reason for that can be summed up in one word :

    Nadal

    And therein lies the real reason for the hatred .
     
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  30. Jake Gittes

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    Read the bolded part again. And then read it once again. And tell me how hilariously silly that sounds :lol:
     
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  31. The Dark Knight

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    Sounds normal to me .

    There are two very wide factions ....

    Wide faction #1- says Federer is the GOAT

    Wide faction # 2 - says Federer is NOT the GOAT.
     
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  32. hoodjem

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    Yep, classic finger-wagging.

    Fed is the GOAT of finger-wagging.
     
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  33. The Dark Knight

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    OMG that was really funny !

    Clearly finger wagging is more memorable than the greatest match of all time !
     
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  34. Jake Gittes

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    The faction which has the more people is the wide faction. The other isn't. I can't believe I'm having to explain something so simple to you.
     
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  35. monfed

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    Nah can't forgive Federer for making multiple fanbases rather dissatisfied(including the one OP's a part of).
     
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  36. The Dark Knight

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    No....the term wide is a description of a number of people .

    So you can have a wide number of people that think one way and a wide number of people who think another way.

    But the bottom line is who cares ? We are not In school.

    This is about tennis and the point is there is a huge debate over who the goat is. ....

    If Nadal did not stand in Feds way there would be no debate.....and this is why TW fans hate Nadal

    They a pissed off ! I don't blame them .
     
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  37. Jake Gittes

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    The only one pissed off is you that Federer is considered the GOAT by the majority of people :)
     
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  38. Povl Carstensen

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    That is really your problem and says a lot about your mindset.

    That is actually a false myth, look it up.
     
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    I was in two minds about it, to be honest. I know the Nadal match would go like it always has but I also felt that Roger could do well by asserting some authority against Novak and I think his FO win is what kept him as the biggest threat to Novak in majors when Novak was tearing up the field. Besides, it's always better to have one nemesis like Nadal than two. Another fact is that Roger played that match so beautifully that you had to love every bit of it and cheer for him. It's one of those days when you know what a champion can do, no matter how much he's supposedly been 'overshadowed.' Whatever happens I know I'll remember that match and that crowd because on that day, Roger gave me some of the most inspiring moments I have found in the game or otherwise.
     
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  40. The Dark Knight

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    I don't agree with that until you are able to take a vote from
    The entire world.....but even so ..... Just because the majority of people vote for someone doesn't make it true. Just take a look at some of the moron presidents this country has voted for.

    The fact is there are a lot more dumb people than smart people .

    Federer is clearly the most successful player ever .....but that's very different than saying he is the best ever.

    This is what the whole debate is about because "greatest"eans different things to different people.

    But Federer is unique .....If not for Nadal then federer would be considered the greatest by just about everyone.....

    The only thing standing in Federers way for being declared the greatest by multitudes of people throughout the world is : NADAL....

    It always comes back to Nadal.... The blemish on Federers record that is the size of MT Rushmore .

    And this is the only reason he is hated here at TW . There is a campaign here at TW to blot out the blemish....to diminish it....to cover it up with makeup.....

    But it can't be covered ....it's there and it looks like it's there to stay forever .

    If Nadal had lost all his matches against Federer there would be zero hatred .
     
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  41. Povl Carstensen

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    But still you are something special. And where is 5555 when you need him, sigh..?
     
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  42. Povl Carstensen

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    No, it is not disqualifying to have a loosing H2H against a surface goat, we've been over it quite some times.
     
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  43. Povl Carstensen

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    There is no more hate for Nadal than for Federer, and it is really rather uncommon. You however, succeed in being rather annoying.
     
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  44. The Dark Knight

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    I understand having to deal with reality can be annoying . I don't blame you at all.

    But lets have a look at reality :

    Here is just a couple of Nadal hate threads with the actual word hate in them ( I can show you much more ):

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=44539

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=433013

    Now would you care to show me a Federer hate thread ?

    You will be hard pressed to find one because Nadal
    Fans have the upper hand on Fed and therefore don't really hate him.
    On the other hand Fed fans are still in pain and cannot seem to get their revenge
    Try as they might with disparaging thread after thread after thread.....

    It's a sad case of being sore losers
     
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  45. The Dark Knight

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    I respect your opinion and it's a valid one ; however just as valid is the counter argument that you cannot be the greatest if there is someone that continually beats you . Federer is te only one with a losing record against his main rival .

    Both opinions are right and the point is that if there would be no Nadal then Fed would be the undisputed goat.....

    Right now as this board shows Federer is very much a hotly disputed goat.....both camps have valid points .....

    But again no Nadal and Fed is the undisputed goat ...and that's why there is all this hate .
     
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    Federer > Djokovic

    Nothing more to say.
     
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    I agree with this. Success and greatest don't fully have to be 100 mutually exclusive. And this also applies to Nadal, he may be the most successful on clay, but that does not mean he is a clay GOAT. I am sure that with the logic you have shown here, you would agree that Nadal isn't Clay GOAT either.
     
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  48. Povl Carstensen

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    It is cool enough playing against a surface goat. Your argument is answered by mine. If Nadal was an overall goat contender, it would be something else.
     
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  49. Povl Carstensen

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    Not many testify to hating Nadal, the hate the other way is just as evident among the select few into hating if you look around. One of the threads you present is insinuating hate, not stating it per se, the other one from 2005. Please show me much more threads. As usual you are misrepresenting and overgeneralizing.
    Hate against Federer could be explained by Nadal being relegated to a record nr of weeks as nr 2, and thus deprived of a serious goat candidacy by him. It goes both ways. But the whole hate debate is really immature. I am not surprised you are the one to keep bringing it up.
     
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  50. Povl Carstensen

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    It is on the level of "Have you stopped beating your wife?", "Why do you hate me?", "You hate med because I am better than you", really immature rethorics. The most interesting thing is the intriguing level of The Dark Knights insincereness and the blatant bitternes of some select few posters.
     
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