can you stop stringing in the middle of a stringjob?

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  1. samtheman981

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    jw. I tied off the mains. Can i go back later and do the crosses??

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  2. Hewitt Aussie

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    nooooo. Don't do that. Maybe for a minute or two, but if you leave it too long, it might warp the racquet.
     
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  3. iradical18

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    No, this is definitely a no-no. Leaving a racquet partly strung can damage a frame badly, even break it.
     
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  4. Gmedlo

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    For future reference, if I have a sudden need to put a neighborhood fire out, and I just tied off the mains, should I cut them out while the racquet is mounted? or just leave them, hoping I did an awesome job mounting the racquet?
     
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  5. lilxjohnyy

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    ^^ yea but it probably put ALOT of stress on the racket which may cause it to break later
     
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  6. iradical18

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    If I were you I would stop giving people advice like this. Just because it's been done before does not mean it's safe. There are a few people that have jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge and lived as well, doesn't make it safe, nor a good idea.
     
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  7. YULitle

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    Awful advice. I've fallen asleep at the wheel and not died but damn you if you suggest I try it again. :)
     
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  8. volusiano

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    OK, common sense says that you shouldn't. But assuming that you HAVE to stop stringing due to an emergency. So the real question is whether to cut off the main you already tied off (and redo later), or to leave it there untouched for a while.

    If you already have a good mounting system (6 point or 5 point or whatever) to help alleviate the stress from the racket, why would it be any different if you leave it there for a couple of minutes or 10 minutes? Or 30 minutes, or 2 hours? Everything is static regardless of whether it's 2 minutes or 2 hours, isn't it?

    I can see if you only have a 2 point mounting system, you don't want to leave it like that for too long. But with a 6 or 5 point mounting system, I would think that the racket is pretty well supported, don't you?
     
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  9. JackSkellington

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    do not listen to this guy. Even if you finish it successfully you'll end up with possible irreversible damage to your racket. Just because you can do it successfully doesn't mean it's a good job. I can run a 100 meter dash and finish last place, 10 minutes after the second to last place finisher, but that doesn't mean I did a good job.
     
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  10. theace21

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    You can do it, but is in not recommended. It could cause possible damage to the racket. If it is your racket, that is one thing...but if it is for a customer or friend, you are putting additional stress on their racket. If I saw my racket in a stringer partial strung for any length of time, I would be upset and not return to that place of business for stringing. Any stringer that makes a habit of this should be avoid at all costs.
     
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  11. aussie

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    Personally, I prefer to get a string job done as as soon as possible. Having said that, I used to be really good friends with a guy who ran a pro shop here in Brisbane, Australia. Many, many times he would begin a string job and leave it part way finished overnight and finish up the next day. Never saw, heard of or experienced any frame damage from this practice. This guy had been stringing for 40+ years and had strung many 1000's of racquets. But, not my recommended method.
     
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  12. 1012007

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    I left the mains for 12 hours clamped and it lost all tension. No harm to racket though
     
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  13. volusiano

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    Clamp must have slipped then.
     
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  14. 1012007

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    no they didnt slip. Flying clamps btw
     
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  15. meh

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    If you have to leave the racquet, then finish the mains and string several of the crosses. That way, at least there's tension going in both ways. I don't do it, but I know an MRT who leaves racquets half-strung this way to service customers or whatnot.
     
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  16. DY3K1D

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    what happened to the racket?
     
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  17. hit2mybh

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    a long time ago i had strung my racket about halfway, then the pizza guy showed. halfway through the pizza while my racket was sitting on the stringer awaiting my return, my friends and i heard a noise (small crack), then all of a sudden my racket shattered on the stringer. This was a ProKennex Copper Ace (i said long time ago). Graphite everywhere. I have never walked away from another stringjob since. This was an old crank Prince machine, 6 point also...
     
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  18. lethalfang

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    A 6-point mount merely has 4 extra support points comparing to the 2-point mount. When you compare that mounting system with a fully finished job: 20 cross strings would mean 40 support points to counter the pressure from the main (comparing to 6), and each support point is only about a cetimeter from each other. That means the stress is even.
    6-point mount is better, but it is still under undue stress. Just because the material is holding shape, does not mean that it is not under stress.
     
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  19. Bud

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    When the racquet is mounted, the plastic collars or arms stop the stresses from warping the frame. It's fine to leave the mains strung for a little while if an emergency pops up. Don't cut the strings out unless it will be a day or more until you get back to it.

    If you have a string break in the middle of a match and you finish your day of tennis... that broken-stringed racquet will sit for hours with uneven tension, in your bag. I've yet to see a racquet damaged from either of these scenarios.
     
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  20. Cup8489

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    but that's one string, and at most it changes the tension on 4 of the strings, most likely the mains in the center. if you leave it half done with all the mains and none of the crosses, you're askin for it.

    i did that with my old Prince Thundercloud, and it was not pretty.

    6 point mount too.
     
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  21. Bud

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    The mounting system is there to hold the racquet, prevent it from twisting AND keep the stresses in check and fairly balanced as the racquet is strung. I'd like to see a racquet that was broken while mounted properly in a stringing machine. I've left the mains strung many times without immediately starting on the crosses and have never had a problem... and that's with a 2-point mounting system.
     
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  22. chrisplchs

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    if you string the mains, stop for an extended amount of time and then come back to finish the crosses, you deserve to get kicked in the nuts.

    Every time you tension a string, the racquet gets distorted because of the various forces acting upon it. While modern racquet are built to survive nuclear fallouts and Marat Safin's abuse (alright... most of his abuses), leaving a racquet with only the mains tensioned on the mount decreases the lifespan of the racquet significantly.

    Will you or your customers notice? Possibly, depending on the racquet and the person. If it is a person who players once a month and strings their racquet once a year, then the racquet will never go through enough stringing and flexes to render the racquet "dead".

    So basically, finish stringing what you started as soon as possible.
     
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  23. Bud

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    Oh, brother! Another person professing to know about the elusive dead racquet syndrome... and one who states that I deserve to be kicked in the nuts for leaving my personal racquets in the stringing machine with the mains strung only :lol:

    I'd appreciate if you'd post a link to a legitimate scientific study concerning dead racquets. I think you, like a few others on the boards, simply repeat information because you're too lazy to research it :cry:
     
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  24. iplaybetter

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    its a huge nono, but i have seen so many rackets left on machines at big stores
     
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  25. Bud

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    Ever seen one break or shatter because of this?
     
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  26. iplaybetter

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    no but i cringe every time i see it
     
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  27. oiler90

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    Dont start stringing unless you plan on finishing the racquet. Common sense should prevail here.
     
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  28. jflores

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    Saw one today at my local store too. It wasn't even mounted properly also. Just makes me angry that the customers don't know it's wrong and pay ridiculous prices for poor quality stringjobs.
     
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  29. Deano

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    The racquet you saw was unfinished and not mounted properly? How was it mounted?
     
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  30. Mansewerz

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    You can take a quick break, I've left it for a little bit while I was looking over some YULitle vids. I did it for like 10-15 mins, but no more, and even I took way to long. I'd just start right away.
     
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  31. Zach

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    I've seen at least 15+ frames left with just the mains finished at our country club. The only time I've ever left a racket with just the mains finished was to look to look up the correct starting knot grommet, etc.
     
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  32. prostaff18

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    it's not a good practice but it's not going to break any racquets. I have never left a racquet for more than 10min, and I probably will never leave one more than that in my life.

    I'm just saying that if any of you say that you have NEVER done anything that did danger to the frame you are full of it. If you never make mistakes then you never learn anything. Ask any tournament stringer and they say you need to string 10's of thousands of racquets to even think about going to a big tournament to string. You have to string that number of frames so that you have seen everything and know what to do in every situation presented to you.

    I'm not saying that it is ok to leave the string job unfinished but I think that saying that the racquet will shatter is overkill! Now if you repeatedly do things that hurt the frame then you do run the risk of the frame becoming weak. The racquet will develop places where it bends during stringing and after a while these places can fail. But leaving a racquet once for a few minutes wont hurt anything. But just don't make it a common practice.

    also about racquets becoming dead it does happen. If you check the flex you will be able to see the difference over time.
     
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  33. FedererISBetter

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    I had a tournment one day and couldnt finish stringing a racquet... first time stringing one of those ozones, and basically ran out of time due to complications so I just tied the mains and threw it in my car. Finished the crosses next day, made it a pound tighter than usual.... and the costumer was pretty satified. Thats the only time I did something like this, and now I feel guilty : (
     
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  34. Mansewerz

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    You took it off the mounting???????????
     
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    LOL, they'll never know...
     
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  36. zidane339

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    Wow,pleae don't tell me you took it off the mounting?Or are you just kidding?
     
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  37. FedererISBetter

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    Yup, took it off the mounting... ran into the car... threw it in the trunk... and head straight to the tournment. I got lucky I guess.
     
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  38. FedererISBetter

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    It was my double partner's racquet... he played his usual game. Perhaps its all mental lol
     
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  39. Mansewerz

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    That's one of the biggest no no's when it comes to stringing! the mounting system is there for a reason. That racquet could've broken. bet it warped like crazy? what racquet?
     
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  40. FedererISBetter

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    There was no visible warping... it was Ozone white.. something like that. But lol, I was in a hurry... either to get DQ or disapoint partner. I chose disappoint partner lol. I promise not to make any more newbie mistakes : )
     
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  41. Mansewerz

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    I forgive you!
     
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  42. iplaybetter

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    ok god :confused::twisted:
     
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  43. Bud

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    You're fortunate the racquet didn't crack. That was really irresponsible to treat a customer's racquet like that.

    When you pulled it from the mounting, the frame compressed big time from 12 to 6. There's no way to remount the frame, after that much compression occurs, and finish the string job properly.
     
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  44. ag200boy

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    on my first stringing, i strung an old racquet and left the mains tied off for a couple hours and the 28 in racquet shrunk to 27.25 inches
     
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  45. Bud

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    This was when you pulled it off the machine, correct?
     
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  46. the wise wizard

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    i would say leaving a racquet half strung for maybe 10 min is legit but no more
     
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