Can't fix my tennis elbow

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  1. jaybear1909

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    I don't use them :p.

    But I switched to the EXO3 Tour and it has worked wonders. I get some stiffness of the wrist sometimes and my shoulder still feels a little sore but I dont have that weak feeling any more. Once I warm up and stretch, I'm back to my old self. Been taking it easy with the strokes also.
     
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  2. Jazzy

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    I had the tear that could not be fixed too. Tried a shot, that lasted a month. Tried physical therapy for three months, didn't work. Had surgery at Andrews clinic in Florida by head orthopedic. Pre op 2-3 months post op 6-12 months. They said it was worse once they got in and was a 90% tear. Just hit 2 years since and my wrist tendon swells and elbow requires 2-4 ice treatments a week to maintain. Therapist says to switch professions, soo......
     
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  3. mikeler

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    What about switching playing arms?
     
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  4. Jazzy

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    You have to be better than me to do that. Or maybe at 30 im too old!!
     
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  5. mikeler

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    I'd rather play a lower level with my left hand than not play at all. Just saying...
     
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  6. jaybear1909

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    I play around left handed every now and then. I'd actually do pretty decent at 2.5 or 3.0 lefty haha. All about practice! I couldn't imagine life without tennis.

    Update: Arm doesn't hurt at all which is weird. Twisting it doesn't hurt like it did 2 weeks ago. Feels like the old arm really. Shoulder is still a bit sore but it's a "good" sore feeling.

    Using EXO3 Tour and full bed of multi @ 55lbs seems to have fixed it.
     
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  7. vantageboy

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    SUZEE--how is ASTYM still doing regarding fixing T.E.?HARD TO FOUND A ONE HERE IN CENTRAL FLA.
     
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  8. Suezee

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    That's too bad.... check out the astym website, as therapists get certified all of the time. There's a fairly big presence of astym therapists in the gulf area...Their outcome studies show a success rate of about 89%, and according to my clinical experience, that's about what I get. The challenge with techniques that you read about on the Internet is: Can those results be applied to me? There are many individual practitioners out there who get good results, but the challenge is finding something that works for a large number of people. Try to find someone who understands the concept of degenerative vs. inflammatory tendinopathies. At least they might be up to date in their thinking. Any therapy needs to somehow stimulate tissue re-generation (somethimes a needle can do that. Sometimes PRP, if the degenerative areas are identified with ultrasound). But, the KEY to recovery is to re-model the tendon into something strong and functional. The eccentric protocols are a good place to start, but to my knowledge, patients got better, but were not necessarily painfree.
     
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  9. vantageboy

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    thank u very much--what area if im up that way do u work if u dont mind?
     
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  10. mikeler

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    That is a pretty high success rate, probably better than just about any other treatment types.
     
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  11. Suezee

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    I'm in Southern California. I know a great guy who owns a practice in Baton Rouge. Check out the astym website to see if there is someone closer. You can always try transverse friction massage on yourself, then follow it with stretching and eccentric training. Because that sort of thing is not standardized or researched, it is hard to say if it will make you worse, do nothing, or help....but you could always give it a try. Good luck.
     
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  12. vantageboy

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    thank u very much. very kind of u--may look u up in April as we are visiting relatives in San Diego. going to new orleans in december-who do i see if i have the time
     
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  13. danix

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    Been dealing with TE for over 6 months. Tried PT, chiropractor, flexbar, nothing. It was caused by overuse of my arm during home improvement (swinging a hammer and drill) not tennis!
    I can hit forehands fine, one handed backhands kill me though.
    I switched to a PK Ki5 with gut, am hitting a 2 handed backhand, and only playing 1 hour a week. It's gotten a little better.

    Ortho suggests PRP injection as a last resort. Has anyone had success with this? Drak, you mentioned this a few pages back I think?
     
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  14. gregor.b

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    All the strength and flexibility exercises in the world won't help unless you let the area HEAL FIRST. I now need 2-3 months off because of this. It starts as tennis elbow and the body tries to compensate for the injury. Do yourself a favour and rest over Christmas. Your arm will thank you for it.
     
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  15. mikeler

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    Friend of mine got TE the same way. He did no rehab (not a tennis player) and it took 6 months for it to go away.
     
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  16. ollinger

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    ^^ there's something about that six months. My first episode of plantar fascitis, shoulder impingement syndrome, and TE all seemed to subside and go away after about 6 months (did rehab for the shoulder, nothing for the others, Mobic for a more recent PF episode).
     
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  17. mikeler

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    My shoulder pain earlier this year lasted for about 6 months. I played through it. My heel pain started about 6 months ago and I seem to finally be turning the corner with that. I also played through that.
     
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  18. shaqtus

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    the Flexbar saved my arm, i thought it was going to fall off a couple of years ago, used it daily after taking few weeks off also...started doing some weight training also after it healed up and haven't had any problems since..
     
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  19. drak

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    still not enough time to give you personal results and it was on Achilles which has less probability of success then TE, I only know it has worked well for some folks I know, well worth a try IMO. No side effects or downside so if nothing else works?
     
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  20. Limpinhitter

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    I got tennis elbow for the first time this year after 40+ years of playing tennis. I found a sports massage therapist who specializes in tennis players' injuries. She gave me a couple of forearm massages concentrating on "trigger points" on the front of my forearm. I thought she was going to tear my arm off. Each 1/2 hour session took about 3 days to recover from. But, it was VERY effective. It didn't completely cure my tennis elbow, but, between her explanation of the issue and a little internet research, I am now able to massage my own trigger points for relief.

    Having said all that, and perhaps more importantly in the long run, I would also tell you that I've recently learned to keep my grip loose throughout my swing, including impact with the ball. This is critical because, not only does this increase power and more consistent clean ball striking (a firm grip slows the racquet down and deviates your swing path), but, a loose grip assures that - because you are holding the racquet loosely - the shock and vibration of ball contact does not travel past your hand.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  21. Robbnc

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    I had PRP on my elbow in Feb 2008 and did a write up on it on this forum. I was pain free in a matter of weeks and remained so for the next 3 1/2 years. And that's playing a LOT of tennis. Regrettably I have to report a new case of TE. My guess is that I got it from sanding a motorcycle gas tank and not from tennis. But at any rate , it hurts to play tennis.

    If I could afford PRP again I would do it in a minute , but I'm not working (at least not at a public job) and have no insurance. I am probably going to go for prolotherapy which is a lot cheaper. I have used this on both achilles and shoulder with success. I'll report back on how it goes.
     
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  22. Robbnc

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    Amendment to my post above : I just talked to the doc and he is going to do PRP for $ 300
    since I'm paying out of pocket. So next Wed at 3pm I get round 2 of PRP for TE. If this one lasts 3 1/2 years like the last I'll be very happy.
     
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  23. usta2050

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    Try Prokennex Kinetic
     
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  24. mikeler

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    These are great on the arm. Many people are also reporting success with the Exo Tour.
     
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  25. danix

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    I have in fact switched to the Ki5. I don't like it anywhere near as much as my Becker London, but it allows me to play a little.
     
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  26. pattenww

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    Microgel Rad is pretty easy on the elbow as well (I find a worm dampener like the shock buster) actually adds extra help.

    Too me more headlight the better with bad elbow if you have a one hander, like me..
     
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  27. pattenww

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    PS- I am officially a year with TE and have tried it all. next step will be no gym and no elbow rehab excersizes untill 100% pain free then stretch and strengthen it - elbow
     
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  28. mikeler

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    Have you tried switching to a 2 handed backhand?
     
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    you tried a PRP treatment and it did not work?
     
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  30. pattenww

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    Nope on prp..$800 bucks here in Richmond..
     
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  31. pattenww

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    Yep, It just feels sooooooo awkward..cant get my hands away for my body. It would totally eliminate the issue..but would take a full season (could easily see dropping to 3.5 and still loosing most matches..) at least and def'n would want to get an extended raquet..like a speed 16 x 19..

    To hit a good one hand and be injury free you need to be sooo strong and timing has to be perfect.
     
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  32. mikeler

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    It would be easier for me to transition if I had to since I started out my first few years with a 2 hander.
     
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  33. drak

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    that's double what I paid includig initial exam. I would try to shop around a lot more docs are doint it.
     
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  34. 5263

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    so far everyone who has tried Vitalzym for TE has worked quickly for those I know of.
     
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  35. michaelscoots

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    flexbar! It saved me...and I tried doing almost everything. Do a search on "flexbar and new york times"...read up and then order one. It will fix you! Do 15 reps 3-6 times a day. Stay away from poly string and keep your tension in the mid 50's highest until you're cured. It works!
     
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  36. achokshi99

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    Flexbar is good, it helped me. Also I have found weisscanon explosiv to be amazingly soft on my arm.

     
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  37. TopspinAce

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    What Racket is Best for Tennis Elbow? Please Help
     
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  38. Robbnc

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    The one you don't use.
     
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  39. El Diablo

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    ^^ not the message people want to hear, but it's the right message. Not only is it often necessary to stay away from tennis for an extended period (NO racquet is "good" for TE, some are merely worse than others) but also from the gym (gripping while your elbow is bent is the culprit) and even writing (use the fattest pen you can find).
     
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  40. gregor.b

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    After you have 2 months off with no exercises,only light stretching,something soft eg,Prince tour,most Volkls, Black Ace or maybe new Radical.
     
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  41. Robbnc

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    I just though I would throw this in if anyone is interested. 8 days after my PRP treatment elbow pain is barely noticeable. I plan to take another 2 weeks off, followed by 1 week of light weights and then hit the court.
     
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  42. mikeler

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    That is terrific. Good look with your recovery. Come back to the game slowly.
     
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  43. Torres

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    On the equipment side, you need to remove that +36g which you've added to the handle for starters. It completely unbalances the racquet and messes up your swing mechanics which will inevitably contribute to arm/elbow strain.
     
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  44. El Diablo

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    Fore those of you playing through TE, be aware of what you may be doing to yourself. Played yesterdy with a guy whose wife had TE for a while with no improvement from a variety of approaches, she finally went to surgery last week. Surgeon (a friend of both myself and this couple) told them the attacment of the tendon had become the consistency of jelly, barely holding in place. He had to remove the entire end of the tendon and reattach it to another nearby location.
     
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  45. 2ndServe

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    you need proper technique and to get stronger, swing with a weighted racket for 5 min before you practice, but work on technique first.
     
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  46. CHOcobo

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    two biggest thing that helped my tennis elbow are, adding weight to the racket to over power the force of the incoming ball and technique, most importantly. you still can get TE with a heavier racket if your technique is bad.
     
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  47. jk816

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    This elbow stuff is insidious!
    I’ve been dealing with a rather vexing case of medial epicondylapathy. It presented in August with soreness right on the epicondyle itself (not on the common flexor muscle or tendon, but at the insertion point to the epicondyle). The soreness was post-activity (no pain during tennis, always after) and worst after heavy pronation (mostly serving, but forehands as well). Would also have some discomfort during some daily activity (picking up boxes, sometime shaking hands, etc). None of the more severe pain many other have reported though.

    Saw my orthopedist and was diagnosed with mild medial epicondylitis and prescribed the standard forearm stretching and strengthening of the common flexor grouping. I also modified my activity by eliminating serving, but still hit otherwise. However, I’ve always suspected that there was never any “itis” involved as no one has really noticed any inflammation. NSAIDS and icing have never helped beyond dulling pain receptors.

    With no improvement by November, I shut down from tennis in Dec and began working with PTs; a lot of the standard stuff I was doing, but also ART, ultrasound, transverse friction massage & kinesio taping.

    Five weeks later, no improvement; but in really looking at the details I noted that there is never any pain with arm fully extended and worst at full flexion (hand at shoulder). I can make the pain at full flexion go away by moving to full extension. The PT also pointed out the physical change in the triceps brachial tendon near the elbow when going to full extension; at full extension it becomes narrower and moves away from the epicondyle. At full flexion it widens out. I then noted I could make the pain diminish at full flexion merely by pressing inward on the tricep just above the epicondyle.

    I’m really beginning to wonder if the problem I’m having is not related to the tendons of the forearm flexors at the medial epicondyle but instead due to some irritation of the surface of the epicondyle by the tricep brachii or related fascia. If that is the case, much of the isolated treatment as well as rest have been largely in vain (although it might also be encouraging in that I’m not really dealing with medial epicondylosis, my primary concern).
    I’m also not sure how to get the triceps brachii to revert to however they were prior to onset. Has anyone else come across this in their elbow travails?
     
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  48. drak

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    I am finally going to update my PRP shots for the Achilles. It's 10 weeks since my first shot and 5 since the second, have been peding about 4 times in the past two seeks, taking it easy but so far it's good and back to normal. I combined the PRP with an eccentric exercise program and the combo "so far" has seemed to hopefully have gotten me over the hump. I will update again after a few more weeks of heavier tennis, but so far so good.

    Drak
     
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  49. TennisMaverick

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    Don't think about that. Just let your non-dominate shoulder rotate into the ball, or if you really want pace, throw that shoulder forward into the ball. Everything else will just happen.
     
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  50. Chas Tennis

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    May I ask who prescribed the eccentric exercises? Orthopedic Dr, sports medicine Dr, physical therapist, other? Do you know if the technique is being used more often? Can you suggest any references on the technique?

    Good luck in your recovery.
     

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