Can't understand how some players serve so big?

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  1. BruceD

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    Spin &(Variable)Speed is all you need!
    I had to correct myself and also add.
    An Ace doesn't always come from a FAST SERVE!
    Ask Micheal Chang!
     
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  2. Stevo Karlovic

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    No offense, but this is a stupid debate. These guys are naturally gifted. They're born with the "live arms" and athleticism which allow them to crack serves at 130mph. Their size in regards to height and weight is not necessarily a deciding factor. Look at Tim Lincecum's fastball...
     
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  3. IgnatusP

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    Upper body strength can be an important factor if it allows a player to swing a heavier racket at a faster speed.
     
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  4. Relinquis

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  5. rajah84

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    I sense there are many short people posting in this thread.

    Sorry guys, height is power. But you short ones an hit hard too! :)
     
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  6. Relinquis

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    I'm 175 cm and hit the cover off the ball, if you're short and can't hit a good serve it's your technique, not your height. The examples in this thread demonstrate that.

    Obviously, if you're taller it's easier. But there are a lot of tall guys with mediocre serves. It's their technique that is lacking, no excuse...
     
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  7. heninfan99

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    Yeah, it's kind of amazing. I've seen Justine Henin hit a 117 mph serve.
     
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  8. AtomicForehand

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    QFT.

    I hit a sidearm slice serve as one of my second serves, and it frequently gets an outright ace, and is usually a service winner otherwise. The reason for this is because it arcs so much in the air that people just aren't prepared for it. When I hit this serve well, from the deuce court (I'm a righty), the ball looks like it is going to land on the center T, but then ends up swerving all the way across the box to land short on the outside tramline, then skids away. Same thing from the ad court--it looks like the ball is going to land on the outside line, but then ends up on the T. Surprise!!

    Can't throw this one in too often though, or people get grooved on it. 4-5x/match keeps it acey.

    Another important thing in flat-serve speed is WRIST SNAP. I serve an average of 5-10 first-serve aces per match because my flat serve has good pop and directional control on it from snapping the wrist. And I'm a girl.

    (And yes, I ace the men as well as the women.)
     
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  9. Magnetite

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    To be honest, it's not surprising at all. Most athletic people can serve hard.

    What most athletic people cannot do, is devote enough time to serving, so that they can place a hard serve with great precision and accuracy.

    I personally find it more difficult to understand how someone super tall like Tomic, can have a weak serve (although he is improving now).
     
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  10. Magnetite

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    Actually, the reason for an overhead serve as opposed to a sidearm serve, is partially due to using gravitational potential energy. I'm sure people could sidearm serve very well, but at the upper echelons of serving, I'm sure they would not be at the top of serving speeds.

    Most people do jump when serving, although a running serve would be fun to watch, if someone could co-ordinate it well with consistency. It would be more of an asset for S&V tennis, as opposed to now, where your momentum may carry you into no-man's land, and you would be potentially extremely unbalanced when your serve is returned.
     
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  11. The Bawss

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    Bullsh it. Did you just make up a random number?
     
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  12. stapler

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    you have to be able to serve like goku

    see murray
     
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  13. RafaIsBack

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    To give maximum power to the ball, you must strike it between its ascending and descending phase. That moment when the ball is at the very top, not moving, is when you want to strike it.
     
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  14. Andres

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    Nope. True story.
    I have him on my fastest serves sheet. Lil' Oliver at 134.8 mph.
     
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  15. TennisCJC

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    Ferrer and Serena are both about 5' 9" and they hit pretty big serves. They are both pro athletes and very fit.

    I want to know how the 5'9" guy that played 4.0 USTA was hitting serves that consistently hit the back fence 3-4' off the ground. He was about 30 lbs overweight and balding.
     
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  16. sureshs

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    Some people just have better body-part coordination than others. Without it, they would not make it up the ladder. It is a package which also includes groundies and footwork. Serves are not something totally separate.
     
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  17. droliver

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    You don't have to be particularly strong to serve hard, as discussed good technique is the biggest determinate. Longer limbs and strength do certainly contribute to maximum power though. If you look at an analogous skill, the biggest long-drivers of a golf ball are tremendously strong and use extra-length clubs.

    The comment upthread about leg bend not being important is particularly flawed, as it is part of how you maximally transfer momentum. They're literally throwing themselves into the ball prior to contact. Another analogous movement would be throwing a baseball. While you can find some examples of pitchers who can muscle a baseball from the stretch into the mid 90's, if you look at the guys who throw real hard they all use high leg windups to generate the momentum to impart on the ball.
     
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