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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Steve Huff, May 9, 2013.

  1. Steve Huff

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    Have been looking for a new car. I have a Genesis Coupe, but am looking to buy a 4-door that's a little larger. I drove a Passat diesel. It was pretty nice. Also, drove a Fusion with the 1.6L turbo. Nice too. Looked at a Dart--Italian flavor, but too pricey in my opinion for what you get. Will look at an Accord and an Altima in the next week or so. Any other 4-door sedans in the mid to upper 20s I should look at. I looked at a Volvo S60, but just a little out of my price range. Maybe the Sonata or Optima or Legacy? Any experience with any of these? Thanks.
     
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  2. LanEvo

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    Honda Accord, the new ones look very sharp.
     
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  3. acura9927

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    Kia Optima with the Turbo.
     
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  4. azn_lefty_roddick_jr

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    If you don't mind going pre-owned, I would suggest my personal sedan of choice, the Acura TL (2004-2008 is my personal recommendation; 2009+ if you don't mind the love-it-or-hate-it styling).

    For low to mid-20k, you can land a 2007-08 TL Type-S with relatively low miles, which is top-spec (navigation, Brembo front brakes, limited-slip differential for 6MT, leather, backup cam, aux, best HID projector lights on the auto market, etc.). Can also get it certified pre-owned for worry-free driving, as well as an extended warranty up to 100k miles.

    Much more comfortable than all except the Accord (and maybe Passat, not too familiar with those). Comes in one flavor - fully loaded, and with 286 bhp and choice of 5AT or 6MT. Excellent gas mileage for its size (~3,600 lbs, 18-20 mpg city, 30-34 mpg highway in my experience), and one of the best looking 4-doors ever made - not bad for a design going on 9 years old now, and still get compliments and questions on whether it's a new model or not from passerby and car meets.

    The Accord gets a decent second vote from me, as they are in the same family. The new 2013+ looks fabulous compared to the previous gen, and I love the look of the Sport trim with those OEM rims. :)
     
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  5. Sumo

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    The TL is one if the best driving cars I've ever been in. That's some good advice right there.
     
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    the new Mazda 6 looks very good.

    also the Fusion, but I would get the 2.0 turbo or the 2.5 NA engine. the 1.6 turbo is not horrible, but it tends to burn alot of gas if you are the type that likes to go fast...
     
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  7. Chace

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    You get alot of car for the money. I just bought the 4 door sport version. Very happy with it.
     
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    Driving a Sonata 2.0T right now. You get alot for your money. It's around 25K miles now, so far so good. Just a visit to the shop for some Software Upgrades to the shift sequence. It's a pretty fast car and relatively low maint for a turbo. I am currently getting parts for a catch can. Turbo Lag is non-existent either, because turbo is not that big.
    Even though it recommends 87 oct, I put in 93 and experience noticable power. Only compliant is the finish off the wheels, it's a gun metal two layer PJ, so once it scratches, you have to get it professionally refinished. Had curb rash a couple of times during tight turning, was surprise to hear it costs around$400 to do, may as well get a used wheel.
    Figured it's a good deal since I get 10yr/100K warranty on a turbo engine (which is very rare).
    Oil changes are pretty easy and I would strongly suggest to follow the intervals as it's a turbo and DI (Direct Injection) Engine. My mechanic friend says DI engines burns richer so your engine can potential burn oil alittle faster than usual.
     
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  9. bandyman35

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    I drive the 09 accord coupe and absolutely love it, the new sport sedan looks great, the white is soooo sharp.
     
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    My Subaru outback is awesome after Ive eaten my granola. Also, subaru backwards is urabus.
     
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  11. acura9927

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    The new KIA Forte, save you some money. Its got a high HP engine option.
     
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  12. scotus

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    Optima looks very nice. I wonder if it drives as nicely.
     
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  13. Fifth Set

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    There are two classes of cars in the mid to upper 20s four-dour group.

    The first is basically a used German performance sedan. The prime example is a BMW 3 series. A nice one could be had in this price range. Yes, it will have miles on it and they are expensive to maintain. But they are fun to drive and you should at least test drive one to understand the difference.

    The second is the reliable, new Asian brand car. It's more in line with the examples you have mentioned. There are many capable cars in this segment and some offer some unique features, such as the all wheel drive in Subaru Legacy.

    But, the prime example of this class is basically anything that has a Honda or Acura in front of it. The reliability on these is just through the roof excellent. Industry insiders explain that this is due to the specifications in the Honda/Acura supply chain. If the vendors can't demonstrate tremendous durability under extreme mileage and stress, their parts don't get into the car. Period.

    So, if it's this class you're after, I would go with a loaded Accord or, if you want smaller (for a savings of about $6k), a loaded Civic. These two cars have great features (the Accord now even offers LED headlamps, unthinkable in this class just a few years ago) and, just as importantly, those high end features will not break constantly (like they do in pretty much every car except Honda).

    In each case ignore any hybrid offerings. They do not add enough efficiency to justify the cost and anything besides a Tesla will be slower than a snail. When Tesla comes out with the ~$30k all-electric smaller sedan, that could be an interesting buy.
     
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  14. Steve Huff

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    The car I have ruled out is the Sonata. The Optima is still being considered, but it would have to be a really great deal. The 2014 Civic is supposed to be really nice. I may wait if I'm not satisfied with what's out there. The Acura ILX may be a consideration (really hate the look of that grill though). The Legacy may be an option, but the only dealer here is pretty far away. I'm worried about the things I've read about Ford's My Touch system. The car drove great, but I don't want a bunch of problems. The Accord and Altima both have CVT transmissions--not my favorite (the Legacy may too). If the Passat comes out with the 2.0L turbo, that may be an option. I'd prefer not to have to put premium gas in it though. BMW and Audi are nice to think about, but my practicality (and my wife's) would probably rule them out. Nice, I'm sure. Mercedes has a new car out that's around $30,000 too, which I may consider. $30g may be just a teaser though. Thanks guys. Any other comments would be welcome. Any one have experience with Ford's My Touch system?
     
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  15. ollinger

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    Ruled out the Sonata but considering the Optima?? You understand they're the same car mechanically, made by the same company?
     
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  16. dr325i

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    Steve,

    Have been the Bimmer guy most of my life. My wife loves Hondas/Acuras.
    Recently, I "downgraded" from 335is to 2013 GTI (2.0T). A lot of fun car, surprisingly roomy inside and the trunk is decent -- huge with seats down. I see you mentioned a Civic, I would give a GTI shot instead.
     
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    No TL on your list? :(

    If you're adding the ILX to your short list, you would be better off with an Acura TSX or even Civic Si. The TSX is so much more car (almost the same size as my TL) for not much more than the ILX, while the ILX is not much more than a Civic Si dressed in Acura nomenclature, and not worth the near-$30k starting price tag, and that's for the legendary 201-bhp inline-4 (Cheaper mid-$20k price, but for an anemic 150 bhp inline-4 taken straight from the Civic? No thanks.).

    Of course, a pre-owned TL is more car for less money than both (without the polarizing beak of the new ones), but it looks like you're convinced to go new. Good luck with whatever you choose in the end, as this market is saturated with many great and competitive models and it's hard to go wrong in today's world.
     
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  18. ollinger

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    no plans to put the 2.0 liter turbo in the Passat, though it's likely the new, more efficient 1.8 liter turbo soon to be released will find its way into the slightly restyled 2015 Passat due early next year.
     
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  19. dr325i

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    TL is one of the most boring full size Sedans out there. The new Accord is 1/2 the price and more fun (less features though).
    ILX is to civic what that Lexus 200h is to Prius --> overpriced.
    Engine-wise. the GTI 2.0T is:
    1) Underrated (go to goapr.com and see the dyno charts)
    2) easily tunable for 20-25% gains

    Between Civic and GTI, it is no brainer.
    However, both may be too small for what OP is looking for...
     
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  20. Steve Huff

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    Yes, I know the Optima is mechanically the same car as the Sonata. It's better looking (in my opinion), and the suspension has been tuned a little better. The Passat was really nice. Maybe I should wait to see how the 1.8 Turbo performs. I looked at the CC also, but just a bit expensive. A used Benz or BMW would work, I guess. Just can't see getting rid of my Genesis Coupe (with 10,000 miles) to get an older, higher mileage car, and paying more for it. A TL might work though. The writeups on the ILX haven't been great, but the TL seems to be a really nice car. That would have to be used also.
     
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    I have driven or owned several of the cars on your list. Having owned two generations of BMW 3-series, I would NOT recommend owning one past the warranty period. I had an '08 TL and it was a nice car, but the driving dynamics were extremely boring. If I could go back in time I would have upgraded to the Type-S instead and maybe would have kept that car longer. The current TL is nice but it feels like a huge car. I test drove the Kia Optima SX Turbo and was pleasantly surprised by it. Engine has more than enough power, feels more athletic than the TL. Also test drove Subaru Legacy. It has the CVT with the 2.5 but the 3.6 has a traditional automatic.
     
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    Funny how everyone has basically these same observations and the huge sample sizes of Consumer Reports' work backs it up.

    The choice is basically boring but reliable Asian brand vs. interesting but demanding German brand.

    You would think that someone at the car companies would figure out how to do both fun and dependable. Yet, here we are in 2013 and they don't seem to have a clue.
     
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  23. acura9927

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    I drive a cheap 12 Hyundai Accent SE and dont laugh I think it has tremendous handling. All you need to do is put on high performance tires on any car and it changes the ride, I used Conti DWS.

    As for me, I would suggest the GTI for German cars, seems the GTI still kicks the competition butt in shootouts no matter the other makes bring out.
     
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    If I was in the amrket for a new car I could check out a Passat TDI. I currently own a Jetta 04 Jetta TDI. Have 160K miles on it. Dont plan on getting rid of it anytime soon. Did have to replace a fuel pump, and Im getting ready to replace the shocks and struts. But I think most cars with 160K will have the same issues.

    The diesel vs gas debate is an easy one in my book. If you drive mostly highwat miles diesel wins. If you are more city driving diesel is not efficent enough to justify the extra cost.

    I get 35MPG city with my Jetta. When I take the long trips Ive had as good as 53 for 800 miles but average 46.
     
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  25. diredesire

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    Yeah, I was curious why Steve was interested in an 2.0T. The TDI is fun to drive (a lot of lower RPM torque), and the fuel efficiency is really nice. It's a higher end trim, though (in the US), maybe that's why? It should be noted that the newer TDIs have potential High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP) issues, and have pretty strict requirements on fuel type. Check out tdiclub.com for more info. Steve -- if you're looking at the TDIs do your due diligence and read up on the potential pitfalls of the newer TDIs. Good news is IF you do buy a TDI, the support you'll receive from that forum is absolute tops.

    I drive an 03 Golf TDI -- I also average 46 MPG (that's mixed city/highway). I've actually only had one tank below 40 MPG, but this isn't going to be the "usual" -- the newer (04+) TDIs are a little less efficient puttering around town than my ALH version engine.
     
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    ^^^wow - only 46mpg put of a TDI golf? I know you guys have lower octane fuel in general than we do, but I'd be gutted at that! I average 55mpg and I drive pretty hard generally - on a sensible run i'm usually into the 60's.
     
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  27. Ash_Smith

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    As for Steve's original suggestion I was going to say look at the Hyundai i40 - but looking now I realise you don't get it over there (you still have the Sonata instead), shame as it's a great looking car and drives really well (plus, fore once, the estate version is better looking than the saloon!).
     
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    I had a '98 Jetta TDI. 40 - 46 mpg and super reliable.
    Loved the car but had to sell due to moving.
     
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  29. diredesire

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    I'm just going to assume you're referring to the imperial "gallon" ;)
     
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    genesis is pretty new. what are you shopping for?
     
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    Why do you need four doors?
     
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    not a recommendation, but what about the Genesis sedan?
     
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  33. Steve Huff

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    I rented a Genesis Sedan for a week. It's ok, but really want something with better mileage. If gas gets any higher, may just wait for the '14 Civic.
     
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