Change at the John McEnroe Academy?

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  1. ford oliver

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    Does anyone know what is happening at the McEnroe Academy at Randalls Island in New York City? Gilad Bloom was there the past two years and it appeared that the junior program was gaining momentum and doing well. Now it seems that he has departed...anybody close to the situation who can shed some light on it?
     
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  2. 10istalent

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    They offered lots of scholarships to great junior players and built up a nice group. Bloom was replaced by Lawrence Kleger, who is Noah Rubins coach. It will be interesting to see what happens.
     
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  3. hound 109

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    10istalent could you elaborate what type of players received scholarships (school grade & star ratign......or age group & national rating)? What was the scholarship worth? & how many were offered?

    Thanks.
     
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  5. 10ismom

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    John McEnroe Academy had a cast call tryout for boys and girls in summer 2010 and he picked several. Here is a piece on it.
    http://www.prlog.org/10806390-john-...to-new-tennis-academy-on-randalls-island.html

    Here is another cast call, "Nick Bolletieri Discovery tournament" this June. Although the webpage mentioned a week long training as rewards, I read it on Zootennis that the winner of the whole tourney will receive a 1 year scholarship at the academy.
    http://www.imgacademies.com/nick-bollettieri-tennis-academy/tennis-department/discovery-open/

    On the other note, I agreed with Tball2day that there is no specific criteria for scholarship at different big name academies. Many times I saw it was offered to a junior who won the Orange Bowl, National championship or a promising/pro potential junior that caught their eyes. No doubt the academy will develop them further.
    The paying parents as consumers should ,however, do their homework before paying for the "world class" quality training at these academies.
     
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  6. tennisconsultcom

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    Too often parents buy 'Brand" instead finding a right coach. "Academy" does not train, the coach does.
     
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  7. 10ismom

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    Hope those academies have "qualified" coaches, LOL!!
    Again, it is parents' job to do their homework.
     
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  8. hound 109

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    Anyone know the answers to these questions?

    Or to the OPs question?


    Thanks for those links 10ismom.
     
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  9. tennisconsultcom

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    Average market rate for one hour lesson is from $60 to $100 for a good coach. I do not know many coaches who works for academies and get paid like this. But I see many students who work for $20/hour for academies.
     
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  10. 10ismom

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    What kind of academies you are referring to? The many (everywhere) ones, the summer camp ones or Bolletieri, Evert, McEnroe?
    $20/hr is an ongoing rate for kids who work for summer camps, not the qualified coaches at the academy that you would pay for a serious junior player.

    Parents can and should ask/request the details before they make their decision.
    Parents are not that stupid and should have a clue!
     
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  12. tennisconsultcom

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    I agree with you. There are "Academies" and "academies'. If Academy cares about their coaches, it cares about the players as well. It works well for everybody. I hope, parents and players keep in mind some really good advises from the forum. Look closely for academies that were founded by really good coaches with a proven successful record. Be careful with academies founded by businessmen who care about money only.
     
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  13. ga tennis

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    If i had alot of money and i could work at the academy as well as my daughter train there i would pick I.M.G.The facility is AMAZING!!!I am lucky to have the coach we have now but when she is 12 or 13 the level of competition she could compete against at I.M.G. would be awesome.I would still want her to live at home so she would be with her family everyday.
     
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  14. Tennishacker

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    Agreed

    I just don't understand why the USTA didn't partner with Bollettieri before IMG?
    Even now, you would think that they would open/operate a training center similar or exact to IMG/Bollettieri.
     
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  15. 10istalent

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    There is a tremendous rivalry between John m and brother Patrick. Usta-east offers free training so John offers free training for the top kids. There is a lot of movement between the two programs. The scholarships vary. Some kids are full, some are just groups and conditioning, and some are just discounts. Lots of 4 star get discounts, blue chips are full, and 5 stars tend to get free groups, discount privates. They were re-evaluating their players recently looking at their potential and adjusted packages, so there was a lot of change recently.
     
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  17. BMC9670

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    Academies, programs, systems... lot's of wasted time and money, IMO. Find a coach, not a good coach, but the RIGHT coach (there is a difference) and develop the player with the right guidance, training, competition, and so on. The idea that a scholarship to an academy is going to produce a champion is so backwards.
     
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  18. hound 109

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    Great info. Thanks 10istalent. :)
     
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  19. HIGH-TECH TENNIS

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    "Academies, programs, systems... lot's of wasted time and money, IMO. Find a coach, not a good coach, but the RIGHT coach (there is a difference) and develop the player with the right guidance, training, competition, and so on. The idea that a scholarship to an academy is going to produce a champion is so backwards."

    Completely agree with you, BMC9670.
     
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    In 2010, Randalls Island did a Playoff to see who would choose their Scholarships (1 Boy and 1 Girl)....

    Both who got it are HUGE Fail's (Aleksandar Kovacevic and Sabrina Xiong)

    Randalls Island now offer over 10 scholarships on a Wednesday Program which has good Players.

    However, their coaches have produced Squatsky in terms of players, and McEnroe is in in for the Money. He is in process of Creating 2 more McEnroe Academies through Sportime's in Westchester and Long Island.

    Over 20 decent players from ages 8-14 have fled Sportime when Gilad was Fired to go to Academies in Queens, NJ, and Long Island. Rumour has it that the place is in a complete chaos right now trying to hold their paying customers together.

    Another problem is that they aim for Rich Manhattan kids by charging $1500 week and up. but those rich kids often don't want to be Tennis Pro's, but instead play for Recreation, and use their Academics to get them into Ivy League Schools. McEnroe pretended to want Inner-City kids but there's not 1 in the Program. The reason being (The Rich Manhattan elite) don't want Inner City Kids at their Fancy Club.

    It's a total mess.....
     
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  21. Milan

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    Very True. Actually Pat and John are trying to steal kids from each other. It sounds like they really don't like each other right now.... The McEnroe's have completely gained control over NY Tennis (Sadly)....

    USTA is now FORCING kids to be home schooled, and John doesn't believe in that, so he takes all of the kids who don't want to be home schooled.
     
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  22. chalkflewup

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    Now? The distance learning is nothing new, at least not new in Boca. Any full time program has kids in a paced learning system. If John doesn't believe in that, sobeit...but it doesn't mean he's right just because he did it that way 40 years ago. The world has certainly changed.
     
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  23. klu375

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    There is a whole bunch of home-schooled kids in JMTA...
     
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  24. 10istalent

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    This is true. McEnroe academy really wants you to homeschool, though John publicly says different. Their strongest players are homeschooled (rubin, loeb, golivin, ect). Many kids are panicing because of all the changes going on.
     
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    Home schooled kids are always a bit off.
     
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  26. Alohajrtennis

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    Troll.....
     
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  27. chalkflewup

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    Agreed Aloha. And just a reminder to report anyone to the moderator that crosses the line. Kudos to the moderator for locking an earlier thread today that was out of control and hurtful.
     
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  28. t135

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    This is really interesting.
     
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  29. chalkflewup

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    Are you sure Rubin is home schooled?
     
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  30. TennisNola

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    I am sure he is.
     
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  31. chalkflewup

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    Thanks. I had heard otherwise but unconfirmed.
     
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  33. tennis5

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    Yes, I am off thread, but Noah doesn't seem too tall from this picture?
     
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  34. BMC9670

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    He's 15, he may grow a bit, but judging by the mom and sister, not much. Is his dad taller? He may end up like Rochus, Benjamin Becker, Gaudio, Ferrer, Fogini , Robredo, Clement, Santoro or any number of "shorter" players.
     
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