Characters In The Game Today

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  1. Feña14

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    Do you think that there are as many characters today as there were in the days of PMac etc....

    I personally think that there are fewer but the ones we do have are great!

    Such as Gonzalez with his wicked shots and him running around the court beating the $hi%E out of the ball.

    Also Pavel when he climbed into the fridge V Ferrero at this years AO.

    Any more you can think of?

    Liam
     
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  2. ajc

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    Characters in the game

    Seems like a shorter list these days, even though a player's exposure is theoretically greater through media and the web.

    1] Goran. But is he still in the game?
    2] Guga. No question.
    3] Safin in the press room is usually a treat.
    4] Surely there are more: Schuettler, Andre pre-1999.

    I wonder why it is that the former greats overshadow the current crop? Notably (and in no particular order):
    Boris, Noah, Mac, Derrick Rostagno, H. Leconte, I. Nastase, Patrick Rafter, Patrick Cash, Magnus Larsson. Would Connors make this list?
     
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  3. ucd_ace

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    PMAC??? I don't know what kind of characters there were back in Patrick's days... he didn't even really have days
     
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  4. NoBadMojo

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    remember andrew ilie? what happened to that dude? he was crazy! he was the guy that would tear his shirt off. ed
     
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  5. Richie Rich

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    Hey Ed,

    I remember Ilie. Kind of like a mini Fernando Gonzales - went for a winner on every shot. But he only ripped his shirt when he won - and he didn't win too many matches. Isn't he at home now taking care of the kid he had with that other mentally "strong" Romanian Spirlea?
     
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  6. NoBadMojo

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    ya man..remember some of the other aussies that won more frequently would rip their shirts off when they won to mimick him? i didnt know he 'impregnated' spirlea..she is the chick that intentionally walked into venus on the changeover? the kids' gotta be a terror....he/she is probably ripping of the diaper as we speak :0 ed
     
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  7. galain

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    No way?! I had no idea Ilie and Spirlea were an item. I wonder if they're living back here in Melbourne?

    Ilie was indeed the original shirt ripper. When the Aussies beat the US in a Davis Cup tie a few years back, they were joling that they had to cut a tear in John Newcombe's shirt so he could manage to rip his off as well.

    I think you'd have to include Younes el Anouyi as a "character" - he seems to have a great sense of play when he's on court.
     
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  8. Deuce

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    The difference between 'characters' of then and 'characters' of now is in the passion. Players were more passionate 20 and 30 years ago. That passion often translated into dislike of one another. The playing contingent back then (and the population in general) was made up of more individuals with unique natures. Today, societies are noticeably more homogenous - and this is reflected in the pro tennis scene.

    Also, the money and sponsorships that have come into the game in the past 30 years have certainly helped to create a complacency among the players - which is the antithesis of passion.
     
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  9. AndyC

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    I think it would be a mistake to write of any player at the top of the game as lacking passion. Anyone of them who makes it to the top requires a dedication and most definitely a desire to be there. Perhaps some of them show that passion more readily but they will all possess it.
     
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    Players of yesteryear possessed a passion for the game.

    Players of today possess a passion for the money in the game.

    Big difference.
     
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  11. VamosRafa

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    Very interesting comments, Deuce.

    Do you think the fan/media tolerance of "passionate" players has changed? Just look at the hoopla about the Andy/Todd exchange today (and these guys are friends), and how quickly they "made up."

    Andy Roddick is nowhere near as belligerant as some of the players of yesteryear, but whenever he does something that smacks of gamesmanship or unsportsmanlike conduct, he is railed upon -- particularly by folks who like the players of yesteryear.

    Hewitt also was railed upon, too, but because he isn't as much of a factor these days, no one really talks about him now. And perhaps that's true of Safin, too -- although he's kind of become like Goran in terms of being on the edge. Folks kind of accept him as being a character.

    But I'm wondering -- and just throwing this question out:

    Is it a matter of "our" lack of tolerance for unsportsmanlike conduct these days? or

    Is it a matter of "our" lack of tolerance for today's power game, without so much finesse and without the rivalries of yesteryear?

    I think it's an interesting question. Because people don't seem too tolerant of squabbles/gamesmanship among players, yet they long for the rivalries. Hard to have rivalries without conflict.

    Perhaps the depth of men's tennis has just changed it all. Can't have too many rivalries, when your rivals are injured half the time, and you are required to get along with them and be "Mr. Cool" on the court at all times.

    No answers; just questions. :wink:
     
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  12. @wright

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    Deuce, I don't think it's accurate to group ALL OF THE ATP into one category. So Pete Sampras was all about the money. I bet the real accomplishment for him is the 40 something million in prize money he accumulated over the years, not those pieces of metal sitting in his trophy cases. Federer is doing amazing things with the intent of padding his wallet a little more. Guga? sad because his injury is taking away his earning power that he used to drive a POS car and live in a humble apt in Brazil with his grandmother. Vince Spadea keeps plugging away with the hopes that he can drink pretty drinks with little umbrellas while his butler escorts him around in his new Rolls. Tennis makes about 50 players rich every year, so it's pretty inaccurate to lump guys who are losing money or breaking even with guys who are pulling in 8 figures.
     
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  13. Phil

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    Just because there's more money in the game today doesn't mean that the players are less passionate about the game. In the end, it's all about the game-maybe a few are in it solely for the money, just as they were in the 70's, but most have a passion for the game. Jimmy Connors was all about money, and yet his passion for the game and for winning was genuine. No one is choosing to play tennis because it's so lucrative-it really isn't except for the top 10% of pros. The best athletes-those looking to use sports to change their economic circumstances-gravitate to baseball, basketball, football, and, in Europe, soccer. But even those other sport guys have the passion, otherwise, they could NOT make it so far in their respective sports.
     
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