Cheating help!

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  1. ranman123

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    I was watching Depaul vs. Marquette and the calls they make are ridiculous. The umpires agree with the calls. It's going to happen to me ( I will be playing Illinois State tenis next year). How should I react to a bad call? When you overreact you most of the time lose the match. I don't want to be sucked into that. Thanks for your help.
     
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  2. Clemson_tennis

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    unfortunately it is something you will have to live with. Umpires will only overturn egregious calls and even then it's not a sure thing that they will act. Some players are worse than others but you can forget about getting the shots that barely clip the line called in your favor.
     
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  3. MissD

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    Don't worry about things you can't control! Cheaters will always be present and sometimes you need to fight fire with fire. Check out this article on gamesmanship http://www.tennisparentsolutions.com/high-performance-tennis-training/confronting-gamesmanship/
    It sounds like you could benefit from mental/emotional bolstering too, if you're worried- try The Tennis Parent's Bible, it's great for players, not just parents and available on Tennis Warehouse! I hope it went well! If not you'll be ready for the next time.
     
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  4. MC86

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    To be honest I think that the line calling is one of the worst things about college tennis. It also punishes aggressive players as they know they have to be careful about playing too close to the lines as even shots that hit the line stand a decent shot of being called out.
     
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  5. Clemson_tennis

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    Completely agree. I have heard some people say its not that big a deal but if you watch the pros you will see just how many shots, with all the spin they hit, actually do clip the line and are shots that would never ever be called in in college tennis. It does punish aggressive players and also punishes precise players with good touch and ball striking ability. It encourages safe play and defensive tennis, especially in the tight moments. The biggest black eye in the sport for sure.

    There were several close line clippers in the A&M match that Cal called out and the A&M fans had conniptions but you just simply are not getting that call in college tennis. It's unfortunate, but no player in college tennis would call a close one in. Only the egregious ones are worth getting bent out of shape over and even those aren't guaranteed to be over-ruled.
     
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  6. MC86

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    They should just use the same system as used in Futures and have the umpire call every line. It's not perfect either but at least the mistakes are going to randomly distributed rather than systematically biased against whoever plays closet to the lines.
     
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  7. Nostradamus

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    yea, those umpires are useless. if they are not watching the lines like a Hawk with supposedly a 20/30 vision, What are they doing out there sitting up on that high omighty chair ? and they are supposed to advance to Pro level tournaments if they are good ..

    Good at What ?? keeping quiet and smoking during changeovers ?
     
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  8. Nostradamus

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    One thing I dont' understand is then Why does ATP tour level umpires jump in and Over-rule a call that is very close. and these calls were made by line judges who has the best view of the lines. so ATP tour level umps have no problem jumping in and over-ruling.

    and yet these college Umpires won't over-rule on a ball that 2 inches inside the line. I just don't get it
     
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  9. JLyon

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    If you truly do not understand the difference then there is no helping you understand :-|
     
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  10. MC86

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    The way to get around that problem is to have the umpires make the calls rather than having them having to overrule players- something they don't appear to be comfortable doing. If you play even a college event in France (never mind a Futures) you will have an umpire who will call every line.

    Are they ATP quality officials who will get every call right? Certainly not! But the mistakes will generally even themselves out and there will be no punishment for either more aggressive players or even players who are simply fairer.
     
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  11. Nostradamus

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    I like you. but only problem is the vision of the ump. they can't clearly see every line from the chair
     
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  12. mcpro50

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    You have to just try not to think about it, and keep in mind that overall, they should go against you as many times as they go with you. Losing your cool won't help the situation.
     
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  13. MC86

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    As I said, they won't be perfect, it will simply be an improvement on the current system.
     
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  14. JLyon

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    You talk with many officials and calling every line from the chair is actually tougher on the players and you will have more mistakes.

    Cheating is not as rampant as one tends to think. Yes there are close calls, but an official calling all lines is not the solution, just cause to create more headaches.

    I have done all lines due to ITF Tournament and I never want to do it agree. Far sidelines and service lines are not easy.

    Now smaller schools probably do not even have chairs so a roving official is in a bad situation as well standing at a net post while also having to listen for issues on other courts as well.
     
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  15. MC86

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    I've been in the chair plenty of times myself and I agree it's not an easy job. At the same time though the chair is in a far more objective position to make the calls.

    My point is this, both players and umpires will make mistakes calling lines. The difference is that umpires mistakes will be (generally) randomly distributed while players 'mistakes' will systematically disadvantage both more aggressive players and fairer callers.

    I agree that for smaller schools who don't have a chair umpire you can't rely on roving officials to call every line, that just wouldn't work.
     
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  16. NortheastTennis

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    Ive noticed that matches officiated with a roving official actually see more overrules than matches with officials in chairs maybe because they feel overruling is the only way to keep the match under control. Still I have seen much more cheating from the top teams than mid to low tier teams
     
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  17. Clemson_tennis

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    I have seen some coaches of upper level teams encourage their players to "squeeze the lines" in big matches.

    I agree with MC that honest players are punished sometimes. McLachlan of Cal was a very honest line caller and was giving Adams the lines on Adams heat-seaking forehands. I was wondering, what if Adams was playing a less honest player and he started to call some of those forehands out? The whole match could change because Adams would not be as confident going for the lines on his precise forehands. It's a shame that a dishonest player can actually get ahead like that.
     
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  18. MethodTennis

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    Yeah using the system called 'not cheating' is a personal favorite of mine, some people struggle with this concept though. At the end of the day if they want it that badly they can have it as far as I'm concerned. Playing high standard competitions I have never really had many issues with cheats. The advantage we have is that its the same people week in week out playing these open events, people arent going to cheat friends or people though know as often as complete strangers. There-in lies the problem.

    They never see most of the people the play regularly
    Coaches put a lot of pressure on them to win
    They see older team members doing it in their first year or two and think its okay

    At the end of the day even at a very good level like futures or college tennis everyone is there just to have fun, most of the guys arent aiming for the tour, theyre there to experience it because they love the game, the problem can be when they love winning more than they hate the bad reputation and more than they love just playing.
     
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