Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by keithchircop, Jul 29, 2007.
Borg shown in 1974, 1975, and in 1979 playing in Sweden.
Nice footage of Borg winning the Davis Cup for Sweden. Never saw him so emotional after a win.
He was jubilant wasn't he? That was at 19. Of course you have the emotional Wimbledon wins, but you're right, I've never seen him react like this either. Then, the team's reaction is great. It's lucky they didn't throw him on the court though. That was a big win.
Borg vs Connors in the Wimbledon semi, 1981.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fYIy1qbzEc - Part 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44B8TaTS67M - Part 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljh3fzTDCmM - Part 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND6BqlTwZbU - Part 4 of 4
You're kidding me! Thanks so much Nathaniel. This is a gem and I didn't realize that it had been uploaded recently. They would play in the US Open SF in 1981 as well.
There are a couple more parts now to that match with a fourth one coming... :neutral: ...
A funny short film with Pat Cash appearing as a spectator. Looks like it's filmed in Australia.
Does this site provide old video?
A Terrible Splendour
These videos are brilliant.
The best book I read as research for my book though, was A TERRIBLE SPLENDOUR by MARSHAL JON FISHER, which describes the 1937 Davis Cup final match between Don Budge and Gotfreid von Cramm at Wimbledon.
It describes the history leading up to the 2nd world war and in detail the lives of Tilden, Budge and von Cramm. - A must-read for anyone interested in the history of the game.
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Extensive highlights of the Dallas WCT in 1983/84: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn48OAQjEBM
What a gem¡¡ thanks a lot Cy Borg
Laver-Roche AO 1969...
1985 US Open highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI-TNBvflWM
I remember being so disappointed that the Becker-McEnroe QF never happened.
Thanks for all video links. great stuff
Similarity found: both Murray and Lendl wore Adidas Argyle polos. Maybe Murray is destined to win a few slams?
If anyone have some images of the match Vilas vs Borg in the 1980 Nations Cup, please upload it to Youtube!
A YT user is in the process of uploading the entire Connors-McEnroe SF match from the 1980 US Open: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3xnDOyzh4
The famous Borg-Connors Wimbledon SF from 1981: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fYIy1qbzEc
I'll post this video in a couple of spots, because it really should be appreciated. See Laver vs. Ashe in the 1969 SF, with extremely good quality. Hope you enjoy it. It's about 10 minutes packed with shotmaking action.
Borg Number One,
That was the first video I've ever seen of Rod Laver or Arthur Ashe playing. Loved it. I didn't realize what a great serve Laver had. All those aces! Great shotmaking, as you said. Ah, the good 'ole days!
I know this has probably already been posted, but this Connors rally against Haarhuis from US Open 1991 still gives me chills.
That's great Chris Evert Fan. I'm glad you liked it. They're both great players and they were two very important/influential players as tennis moved into second year of the Open Era.
Does anyone know why Vilas doesn't participate this year to Legend's trophy during the French ?
Where did you find the draw; I haven't seen it yet?
Does anybody have a video of the 'Breakfast at Wimbledon' wrap-up highlights that were narrated by Dick Enberg in 1985, or it might have been 1986?
It was set to the theme music from St. Elmo's Fire. I remember part of the narration that showed a close-up of Becker smiling and Enberg said something about "when he smiles, he smiles with his whole face."
I thought it was '85 but may very well have been '86. If anyone has a video of the finals from either one of those years, recorded from NBC, it would have been at the end, just before they went off the air.
I specifically remember that music from St. Elmo's Fire which sounds like this for those who don't know it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_PrKFCYUM
If someone finds it, it would be great if it could be uploaded to youtube.
Website Roland-Garros :
Fabrice Santoro et Todd Woodbridge feront cette année leurs premiers pas dans le "Trophée des Légendes - Perrier". Le Français, qui avait fait ses adieux aux Internationaux de France en 2009, retrouvera ce tournoi avec lequel il a entretenu une relation particulière tout au long de sa carrière puisqu'il y détient deux records de choix : celui du nombre de participations (20) et celui du match le plus long jamais disputé, qu'il partage avec Arnaud Clément (6 h 33 !). Goran Ivanisevic, Sergi Bruguera, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Richard Krajicek, Albert Costa, Thomas Muster, Cédric Pioline, Andrei Medvedev, Michael Stich, Arnaud Boetsch chez les "plus jeunes", mais aussi Mansour Bahrami, Pat Cash, Guy Forget, Andres Gomez, Henri Leconte, John McEnroe, Ilie Nastase, Mark Woodforde, Michael Pernfors, Emilio Sanchez, Peter McNamara et Mats Wilander se sont engagés. Six équipes - réparties en deux poules de trois - participeront à l'épreuve des 35/45 ans. Six autres à celle des plus de 45 ans.
Merci, Jean Pierre!
belated thanks to all for posting all these awesome vintage vids. ashe laver '69 wimby. wow. imagine. tennis w/o grunts, ridiculous fist pumps, and overworked ball kids sprinting towels to players every point. and, players actually went to/from the court without carry two bags the size of trunks over their shoulders. one of my favorite threads in all of the interweb. thanks again.
Oh it was funny!
Umpire: (fuming) You go back to the service line
Nastase: (calm) I wasn't ready
Umpire: (Still fuming) GAME SET AND MATCH MCENROE!
man, great videos, thanks to all who shared links.
I grew up watching Ashe, Laver, Newcombe, Nastase, Rosewall which evolved into Connors, McEnroe, Borg, Edberg, Wilander, Lendl, and then into the next generation.
Honestly? I don't think the game was ever played at a higher level than it was during the heyday of McEnroe, Borg, Connors and the like. I like Nadal and Federer and the Joker, but put them back into that era, or bring those guys forward, and I just don't see them winning multiple majors.
I have trouble getting into televised tennis these days. There's very little artistry to the game, even less imagination, and while the top few guys play at a high level, the rest of the field doesn't impress me in the least. 30 years ago you'd see high quality tennis in a major quarterfinal. Not any more. One thing that drives me nuts about today's players is there is simply no one playing right now who has any clue how to operate at the net. Maybe Federer. But of the top guys, they are all weak at the net, and most are simply clueless.
Things move in cycles. All the people who have only been watching for 5-10 years think net play is an aberration, that it's all about slugging it out from the baseline. I pray this cycle passes and we evolve once again back to a more all court game. More fun to play, and sure as heck more fun to watch.
It seemed appropriate to post this here.
Sampras vs Pioline - 1997 Wimbledon Final.
Agassi - Sampras 1991 World Tour Finals Round Robin match:
Henman vs Chela @ Roland Garros 2004, some absolutely sublime clay net play from Timmy
I have been looking and wondering for quite some time now regarding tennis matches....why are they so hard to come by? Very few seem to be available on dvd....
Does anyone know anything regarding copyright by downloading old classic matches? For personal use of course...
I have to agree...
I laughed myself silly when Roddick almost lost to McEnroe in world team tennis. Roddick, a top 10 player of course...Roddick was playing as if his life was on the line...imagine having lost to the then 50 year old McEnroe?
I think the rivalry and variation of the past was so much better than the ones in recent years.
The great Guillermo training in his club :
Great find Jean Pierre, I love discovering YouTube videos with less than 1,000 hits which are actually still really fascinating - hidden gems
Guillermo still has a beautiful one-hander
Vilas-Fillol, Final ATP Buenos Aires 1976; very nice to see, images of the match and Vilas holding the trophy!:
Bjorn Borg vs. Jimmy Connors in the 1978 Wimbledon final.
Yes, more or less true.
Well, he did actually grow up (at least partially) - with wooden racquet, and vas already as 10 year old kid showing vast amount of talent and technical prowess hitting with - wooden racquet.
There are some recordings of this - were present at youtube, and elsewhere, practice session with Robert Lansdorp.
Sampras mentioned more than once that he would even today start kids with wooden racquets to some extent (agewise) and that he would never have developed such sound technique if he hadn't started and honed his game (in terms of his basic technical skills as junior) with wooden racquet.
No, not really. On the basis of sheer facts, I disagree on several statements here.
Sampras was not as tactical genius as Wilander is. But he is much underrated by many (notably at tennis talk, and modern tennis followers oblivious of the tennis past) in that (tactical and tennis-brain) context.
He won that match fair and square, playing better tennis in that match, and (for the exception of Wilanders ability to climb on the high ball and attack it with that double-hander) technically (in terms of stroke mechanics) more accomplished player already then than Wilander ever was.
First of all, 1989. was the year that followed Wilanders peak year, 1988. He has lost his father prior to US Open, I believe.
According to his own statements, Wilander:
1. Lost his motivation almost completely - for dogfighting it out with the rest of the guys at the top, after defeating Lendl in that famous 5-setter in 1988. US Open.
2. He acredited, according to his own statements in swedish radio - at least part of his decline to switching from his Rossignol to then current line of the Prince racquets (CTS Lightning Midsize or similar model, which did look like an oversize version (110 sq. in. visually), played with it already at Wimbledon that year and lost a five set match to none other than McEnroe.
He said that he is regretting to this day that he made that switch.
Now, we all (well, most of us who played with both of these - Prince used by Wilander, and Pro Staff 85 used then by Sampras) know which one is more "modern", and has more power potential. Sampras racquet that year was not as heavily leaded as in subsequent years.
3. Wilander himself mentioned Sampras and Agassi being two of the last dinosaurs on the tour playing the old kind of tennis, constructing their points, and taking the initiative and oportunities at the right moments.
Sampras is today much (in the eyes of many pos(t)ers here at this forum) and simply so underrated even as someone playing tactically very mature and smart game, almost in every point. Check his match from AO 1997 against Alberto Costa, and some of the baseline points.
That stick he used was anything else than easy to play with, and not so far in some regards (head size) from wooden racquets.
Well, generally yes, but when you compare players from different generations on case to case basis - difficult to talk in such absolute terms.
Wilanders game was not overpowering, yet, he wins the RG in 1982. against who in the final?
And was it due to his better touch than his then opponent in the final - or more power?
Or, if we claim otherwise - how come that the other guy, a player from than older generation did not win - utilizing his "superior touch" ?
Rossignol Wilander played with, or Vilas's Puma Vilas - later to be used by Becker - were not miles from each other - puma being somewhat more playable in my eyes than Rosignol...
Of course, if we speak about today's player's, and player's from the 70's, the differences are obvious, but in general I agree: different eras.
You couldn't play today's tennis with yesterdays equipment, nor would you need (or be need to be as inclined) to play as subtle in the vice versa situation.
I can see the point here, but metaphysics of this last part of the post are not all that easy to put in the whole context for everyone...
Vilas / Cash 2012 !
One of the best posts ever.
Vilas training with Ion Tiriac at Roland Garros 1977:
anybody knows where i could find marcelo rios' full matches please? (if there are around the web at all)
here is Rios-Agassi Miami '98
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