Check out this serve...

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  1. Shaolin

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  2. hummer23

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    indeed, taht is quite stupid. a highly ranked high school player here in new jeresy, dan urban of newark academy does teh same thing. he plays righty but serve lefty or soem such garbage. sad thing is, hes pretty good.
     
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  3. sliceroni

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    Hey, I say whatever works and gets the job done. If he's kicking my *** w/ that serve I'm not going to complain.
     
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  4. wahiawaboi668

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    it looks like a volleyball jump serve.
     
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    What's the point of it? Is his left arm that bad that he can't toss consistently with it or is he just trying to be different?
     
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    i dot understand why someone would do that, (refering to teh picture) does he have issues tossing with his left hand, complete lack of coordination? does he hit a 2 handed backhand?
     
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  7. gmlasam

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    That is an interesting serve.....like a hybrid jumping volley ball serve. He was probably a volley ball player originally.

    It maybe the next big thing after the obreviated serve.
     
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    Hmmmm...so are you implying that ppl that have two handed backhands lack coordination also? BTW...the majority of tour ATP pros have 2handed backhands. ;)
     
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  9. mishadude

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    Can't imagine he'd be able to jump like that for more than a set or two
     
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  10. gregraven

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    I've seen him play several times at the Costa Mesa Tennis Center, and although his game is unorthodox, he's no less successful than many others at the Futures level. By the way, he can perform his leaping serve for three long sets. And if you think his oversize-head racquet is odd, last year he was playing racquets modified to have two handles (arranged in a U shape). Nice guy, too.
     
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    Thanks for posting that site, really enjoyed checking out all the pictures, does anyone know if this guy Kevin Arias is related to Jimmy Arias ? He looks just like him, but he's too old to be his son and too young to be a brother....http://www.tennis.info/Star2004Q2.asp
     
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    But you aren't allowed to run like volleyball...
     
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  13. Prince_of_Tennis

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    what the heck.....I got to see a picture
     
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    I am curious to know what his tennis history is. Did he grow up playing tennis or another sport (beach volleyball maybe)? And, who the heck taught him how to serve? The abbreviated serve is taught by teaching pros to correct hitches in the serve, especially with young juniors who have 'whippy' racquet head control. I definitely had that phase when I was in the 14's. It's been around for as long as I can remember.
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  15. Andy Hewitt

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    He uses a western/semi-western grip!! =O
     
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    Interesting pics, what tournament is it taken from? Actually, having a look at some of them they have caught a lot of the players at their least graceful. Looks a little like a day out for the special squad LOL.

    Something else that's interesting from those pics is the number of players who use the Wilson Hyper Pro Staff (think thats the right name, the red one?). Another thread was asking what was most popular and the assumption was Babolat but those pics show a different story. Got a few Babs in there and some Head frames but quite a lot of Wilson as well.
     
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  17. nViATi

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    lots of i.prestiges too
     
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    The link no longer shows the player you mention in your OP.

    Many years ago, I knew a guy in Albama who played decent HS tennis. He tossed and served with the same arm ... because he had a birth defect which left him "hand-less" on the other arm. He'd hold the racket in the crook of his elbow ... toss ... grab the racket and serve. He had a pretty decent serve, too.

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    direct link:
    http://www.tennis.info/Star2003Sun1.asp

    Super funky!
     
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    This is the tournament the pics are from...

    http://www.tennis.info/StarIsland.asp
     
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    I actually thought about tossing with my right hand or serving with
    my left hand when my past injury on my left shoulder makes me
    never able to do consistent toss...
     
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    No one noticed the racquet? Friends don't let friends play with sledgehammers.
     
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    I'm sick and tired of this posts that does relate a pro -or a semi pro- with us, the posters of this forum. Of course we will blow me out of the court; tennis is probably the best thing that guy does... And the 1000th player in the world will blow me out of the court too; that doesn't impede me to analize , criticize and state my opinions on any subject, even if that means to say the word 'retarded' to a guy that probably is looking for attention more than for a tennis career. I can separate myself from my opinions, can you, Joe?
     
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  25. Kaptain Karl

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    Thanks for reposting the link, norcal.

    I'd surely like to see Battistone in live play. Very different.

    As a former volleyball coach, I'd agree with those who suggested the connection. Even more than Jump Serve form, Battistone's form is quite good for a Spike.

    - KK
     
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    Dan Urban isnt that good...wasnt that impressed when i saw him Vivek was 10x better.
     
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    I wonder how long though he can keep up that jump serve. Deep into a match that goes 3-4 hours that jump serve is probably going to break down.
     
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    Sorry this has nothing to do with the post, but I found it really amazing that the third player down on the page lives 45 minutes from my hometown, and he went to high school in my old conference. One of my buddies cheated him out of the 1997 conference title by hooking him all the time. He won state in 1999, and I think he won D3 doubles one year. Now he's trying to play doubles on the pro tour I think. A couple years ago when I was in HS, he even complemented my best friend on 'how much better he's gotten', after my friend beat his younger brother in the conference meet. Sorry, I digress.

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  30. morganman

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    whoa.

    someone needs to give him sampras' old 85 sq. in. racquet and watch how many times he will miss lol then maybe he will try and hit a normal serve :p also isnt there something in the rule book about serving like that i remember an article in tennis magaizine about how you arent allowed to serve like that but idk he obivoulsy hasnt gotten called on it.
     
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  31. edberg505

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    if he is standing still and jumping that high there is nothing in the rule book that says that he can't do that. however if his somehow running then jumping into his serve, that is illegal.
     
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  32. Prince_of_Tennis

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    Yah no running serves. If he is standing still damn white boy can jump...
     
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    looks weird, but if it work why change. People questioned roddick service motion early on.....look at him now!
     
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  34. gregraven

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    As I posted earlier, I've seen him serve consistently this way in long matches.
     
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    Shaolin, that's really just you, right? You're just trying to get our opinions on your serve!
     
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  36. Shaolin

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    Man @wright, thats just cold. Here I thought you were my friend and all.
     
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  37. soyelmocano

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    Different, but not unbelievable. As a vball player, I'd say it comes from vball too. Look at the legs and the waist, as if he were getting ready to pike (though you're taught not to do that in tennis).
    People in vball thought my serve looked funny because it was somewhat like a tennis serve. However, there were some pretty good players that had trouble with it. Sometimes some of the girls from the UGA team would play with us. Several of them told me they would rather receive most guy's hard jump serve than mine. Too bad I couldn't spike worth nuttin'.

    I also played with someone who served like this. Like someone posted earler, this person only had half of his left arm so he would hold the racquet under his left while he tossed.
     
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  38. 0.2RatedPlayer

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    a lot of these guys aren't even looking at the ball
     
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  39. sandiegotennisboy

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    i showed it to my friends and we started cracking up cuz its so moronic. why on earth... lol. whatever floats yo boat, but i think its gonna sink.
     
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  40. Kaptain Karl

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    If you were to see several pics (like most of these) of the top pros you'd notice the same "problem". We are always told something like, "See the ball hit the strings." Technically it isn't possible. Your eyes simply cannot track an 80mph (plus) ball TO your strings.

    The "see it hit" tip simply gets the student to track the ball longer. Many beginners -- so eager to see the result of the shot they are hitting -- look over the net before they've even made contact. Usually, this "premature shot admiration" causes them to move their head ... damaging their swing ... resulting in a bad shot. Advanced players are disciplined to track the ball better with their eyes -- resulting in fewer errors.

    Look at forehand pics (like many in the link starting this thread) of Roger, Andre, Marat, Lleyton, et al. You'll notice the same phenomenon you observed above.

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    I know a kid that serves right, hits left; he's very good. It's just an issue with hand dominance.
     
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  42. kreative

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    i also knew a player like this, and he had a wicked lefty kick serve.
     
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  44. scez

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    I like the pic of the only Canadian.

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    I saw Battistone play in person today and he only did this jump serve a few times a set. He has a normal looking first serve that looks slow by pro standard but his opponent wasn't that tough so he did the jump serve whenever he felt like showing off a little. What's amazing is how high in the air he got when he hit the ball. This serve is definitely a lot faster than his conventional first serve.
     
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    The fact that he can do all that work and get the ball in play with some pace is pretty impressive. Hey, if it works then more power to him! God knows I tweaked with my serve, still do actually. Whatever works for you.
     
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    wow. he uses a rocket launcher. lol.
     
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    Hahha it's awesome!
     
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    man, that is so cool, I wanna see a vid of that. I wonder how hard he can hit that thing. Also consider how much bounce that baby would have.

    Possibly revolution of tennis yet again?
     
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  50. marc

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    some guy said it looks ugly...actually in person it is not ugly. its a really athletic motion...from a biomechanical standpoint there is a significant weight transfer and load that results in incredible explosiveness and ultimately power.

    word is that brian was just messing around one day at practice and that is how the motion came about...

    it is also pretty funny seeing some of those "players" (and I use that term loosely when it comes to some of them) in the other pictures...brings back memories!
     
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